Supreme flock of lan = Cheating land scalpers

LMFAO OMGBBQ, Man you really need to get over yourself. And if you had seen me at these places, would this some how validate my comments? Pleeeaaaassseeee.

As for land being "stolen", its hardly stolen when it is paid for, and whats the difference between landbots buying land accidentially listed to low and humans. I could list land far below market value (which is an obvious mistake) and, excluding the bots, have dozens of people trying to buy without one of them trying to contact me about the mistake.

No actually by luddites I mean people who use the excuse that things arent fair or its distroying the norm when they cant adapt to change, in other words, people like you.

OH MY GOD, you know how to spell luddites, you win the internet spelling challenge!!!!

You prize is the ability to complete over react to change, spread FUD, and run around screaming "the sky is falling".

Marcus

Um no the one that sold copybot would be me, I doubt anyone is angry with me these days. The people that are angry are angry at Elanthius Flagstaff.

But it begs the question, what does selling copybot tell one as enlightend as yourself about my mind?

Marcus

Please don't feed the trolls.

Wow, is this ever wrong. The GPL does indeed require you to release your changes to GPLed code, the BSD license does not. Also, this has stood up in both American and Canadian courts of law more than once.

I think you're a scam artist, and I think you should show us your code.

Heh. Have you bothered trying to find out? I would be quite surprised if there weren't at least a few people still angry with you.

It obviously comes up in the forums quite a bit, doesn't it?

Why? seriously, what would this achive? Elanthius Flagstaff releases the code and every man and his dog starts running land bots. Really, im at a loss to unserstand why people who are so against land bots actually want the code.

Marcus

Finding out, no i haven't, since i wouldn't know where to start. I guess i could just run around randomly asking people "hay, i sold copybot, are you angry with me?" but i doubt many people care.

I was banned from alot of places when copybot was a big issue, fair enough, i would have done the same. But most have take the ban off. Ironically, i have only found one place recently that i was banned from, which was by accident and i didnt actually want to go there anyway.

I think content providers banning me serves little point, I have money, I pay for all my "stuff", and im not about to go around stealling content when buying it is so much easier.

Marcus

It would achieve legality. What he is doing at the moment is a breech of the GPL, clearly. The GPL exists for a reason, and if you cannot abide by it, then DON'T USE IT.

Again, hes a scam artist. Making a few bucks to buy pizza and beer is clearly more important to him than obeying the law.

And by the way, I'm not against land bots. I'm against GPL violation.

OK, hang on, you not against land bots, but you think he is a scam artist? Why because he isnt abiding by GPL? Hmmmm ok then. But then this all depends which licence the code he is using is under. Personally i thought it was under BSD, but i could be wrong.

Marucs

Sigh.

The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization.

But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL.

Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you.

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#GPLRequireSourcePostedPublic

Next time there is a doubt about the license, simply go here.
http://secondlife.com/developers/opensource/
Click on Licensing.
Its a quick read, believe it or not. Everyone who plays SL should read it, especially those who wish to argue licensing technicaliites in the forums.

I stand corrected, oh well. Wasnt arguing licencing, but i do appologise to anyone i have offended by my inability to understand simple lincencing. GAWD DAMMIT.

Marcus

Agreed. But bots cause some pretty intense feelings, so I thought your statement was funny. And of all of the bots, CopyBot seemed to have caused the most hubbub.

CopyBot, CampBot, LandBot, all seem to spark negative emotions. I even created a bot for melee fighting, and while a great many people actually enjoy that one, some people go totally off the deep end about it.

I wonder if someone took the libsl code and made a new landbot and made that publicly and freely available, if it would prompt LL to address the issue with more urgency and finality.

Creating a landbot is simply not that difficult, I wonder why we don't see them in more hands? I mean, I have no interest in using one, and certainly don't wanna deal in the land market, but I could make one in a day...

Because most people who use them aren't that arrogant?

I doubt it. Copybot wasn't really addressed, they just said, if you use it or other programs (glintercept for example) to violate copyright then your in trouble. Copybot by its self it not actually a TOS violation.

But this really comes down to one issue, the haves and the have nots. Or the coders and the non coders. Personally i have always been of the opinion that if im going to use something as complex as the internet im going to try and understand as much about it as posible. But then thats just me.

It strikes me that most, if not all the people complaining about "bots" know very little about computers and/or the internet. Yes, yes, i know that comment will illect a torrent of responses of the kind "im a professional programmer with 450 years of experience, but bots are evil, and only the morrally deficent would use them, blah, blah, blah". But to those of that option, YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER!

To anyone else thats not a coder that has a problem with bots, read a book. Get to know the issue better and maybe your arguments would be laughable.

Marcus

The winds of change are a blowin'

Soooo....
I shoudl quit my day job, buy 50 low-end PCs, script up a bot, get 50 Ultima Online acounts and set them mining away and make millions of US$?
And it's NOT against any kind of "fair use" law?
I'm paid for the 50 computers, I pay for the 50 accounts, I wrote up a bot, I should be able to ream the game for loads of cash, right?
Oh wait, there's a whole book of thigns I could do, why stop at 50 PCs and Ultima Online?

You aren't using it privately.

(edit)

But actually, you have nothing to worry about, since SL actually actively supports scam artists by completely ignoring them. Have at it!

No because that WOULD be a TOS violation. Just like if you farmed in WoW. It is NOT at this time a TOS violation to bot land in SL.

That book isn't that good, the title is misleading =). He never actually made millions from farming, it was more like US$12,000. And its not a how to guide to farming either, he doesnt say anything you couldn't get from a google search and 10 minutes of time.

But to answer your question, yes if its not against the TOS and you want to run bots, i think its perfectly acceptable. Dont tell me you have some sort of moral high ground you want to argue from.

Meh! Cry me a river.

Marcus

I believe that he only need release the source to anyone who owns a copy of the binary.

So how much land DO you have to sell in SL to afford pornsite access and junkfood?

Wheerrrr, wheeerrrr, some one call the wheeerrrrrbulance.

But please, lets hear your moral objection to land bots, is it actually any different to the usual crap about stealing land and inflating prices?

Marcus

In this case, probably, since he's using his modifications to directly take advantage of the SL server system, which is closed. But he's got nothing to worry about. Apathy before dignity, no one will ever catch him.

Marcus, I don't buy land anyway, and never have in SL. But I do see it as taking clear advantage of an insecure and barely overseen system. And the sort of person who would do it is a right bastard.

Was that ment to be an insult? Wow, insulting my degenerate porn addiction and junk food related weight problems. Your a master at this, i tip my hat to you kind sir.

Marcus

Doesn't seem to stop people.



Duh, he was researching the people that do. There is a guy who runs a set up just like I described. His entire day is whatever he wants until he gets an SMS text message on his phone that bot#9 just saw a GM teleport into the area and requires intervention.
Intervention being able to prove that he is indeed human.



The problem is that LL is niether anti-bot (it's against TOS) or pro-bot (the TOS says "bots are fine", whereas with WoW, Ultima Online, etc. it is clearly stated.
I would even ask that LL would decide what kind of bots are ok.*
Combat drones make things more interesting and easier to run for GameDesigners.
Landbot, copybot, spambot (search for a random name, IM it with an ad), and the like are clearly a nuisance to the residents.

*I mean this in a "it is permissible to automate the following user functions...." such as "finding bargain land" but not "buying land."