Thank you Lidens For Hiding The Mature :-)

Hmm, that's a novel idea. So your actual shop is on the edge of a Mature sim that borders a PG sim, and you bought the neighboring PG parcel to list it in places as an access point to your store?

That's a feasible idea, EXCEPT for this - if you have anything non-PG in the parcel description or parcel image for the PG parcel, LL will probably come down on you for having an obscene parcel listing in a PG sim.

It would work very well for non-porn businesses located in a Mature sim on a PG border, though.

Now I may be a newbie still, but there's something I don't really understand...

You have PG and Mature land
On land you can set Mature Content in the Options tab
On Classifieds you can set Mature

Now, which is actually used in searches? (Lindens, please be more informative about this...)

In my vocabulary mature doesn't mean sex oriented. If it was called Adult, then perhabs. But maybe another setting should be available: Adult. So non-sex stores/areas on mature land would have a chance. And this Adult setting should be available in searches as well. Just a thought, since in my view PG, Mature and Adult are three very different things...

I have my main store, which couldn't possibly be more PG-rated, in a mature parcel because that's what was available to me at the time in my size and price range. My annex store, which is on a smaller piece of property that I bought later, is in a PG region, and I'm glad that people will still be able to find me.

The idea that allowing people to set parcel settings to PG in mature zones is LL's solution to the 'problem' concerns me too. This will not fix a darn thing, because yes, many PG businesses in mature sims are adjacent to XXX businesses.

I'm actually looking at moving my main store elsewhere because I strongly dislike being forced to view grotesque bondage porn photos when angling my camera around my store to make adjustments, because the adjacent property owner's wall is very close to mine and that's what he has plastered on the inside of his walls. If I have a problem with keeping my camera angle outside of his walls while I'm trying to manuever around my store, certainly visitors to my store will have this problem too, and if I don't want to have to see that garbage, I certainly don't want my customers to have to see it either.

Hmm, perhaps I should ask if anyone out there who has 3000 sq.m.+ of PG land wants to be located next to such a business and is willing to trade with me.

this is not possible unless you have control over the entire sim and estate tools so if you have a small parcel 4k of land or whatever and bought it for say a dress shop which is pg stuff really you have been given a handicap by setting up on mature land because your land listing for places gets burried in the mature stuff and a lot of people take awhile to learn about the settings on the search engine

so basically you have to try to list your stuff as PG using an ad and hope that this is "legal" according to Linden Lab policies which I'm not totally sure if it is.


In any event my traffic is now back to normal after messing with ads and farting around but no my land is set to mature and so is listed as such in the places even if i uncheck the box because I dont control the estate settings this is the issue here

Also the fact that the majority of sims in SL are mature sims and not pg sims (PG sims are a very small chunk of land in SL) makes it hard to even get PG land at times so people move onto mature sims out of lack of choice.

Others want to not have to mind their p's and q's but dont really engage in PrON or anything but just want to live and have fun just swearing in a PG sim is against TOS and abuse reportable.

This is exactly what the problem is... The SIM rating is used, not the parcel rating that you set in your search places.

I sell doors. Nothing even remotly sexy about doors. When I set the info in search places, I did not check the 'mature content' box, because there is nothing 'mature' abut doors. However, the search only looks at the entire sims ratings, not the 'mature content' checkbox that you have for each parcel listing and filters me out along with the worst sex site on the grids.

I have 2 parcels listed in search places, so I spend 60L a week for this advertising and since the new viewer went in, I have had my sales drop 80%. I suspect a lot of the drop was general loss of consumer confidence due to all the other problems, but that has never affected things as badly as this one has.

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As far as classifieds go, the mature rating filters them properly. It is just the search places that needs work, because you can only filter out by entire sims at a time.

One of the greatest problems in society today are those who have their eyes glued open. It's a tragedy. They cannot look away, therefore the rest of us must suffer to ensure they are never afflicted with anything they might deem offensive.

It is obviously a worthy sacrifice. None of these poor victims of eyesgluedopenosis would possibly be rude or immature or trollish about it, or anything.

EXACTLY.

They could fix this so that the "Search Places" would work the same - go by whether we have checked off that we have mature content, or not - just as it works in classifieds.

So Lindens, you tell me: Just what is so frickin impossible about doing that?

coco

Yes, I just tried to search for a few terms which I would hope that people would turn my shop up for, and... nothing.

I am simply going to use my premium 512 for an "advertising" plot, which I can have turn up on searches like this. It will also help me if I ever move my main shop, since I can still put in landmarks to wherever I am there.

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Many shops own land in Mature Sims but dont sell anything that would fall under the category of "Rated-R".. myself included. Previously, I always had the "Mature Content" flag disabled so that my shop would still come up on searches despite being physically located on a Mature Sim. This new change ignore that flag and my shop no longer shows up at all.. UNLESS you have it flagged. I target a lot of newbies with affordable and nice goods, but this is all for naught now since they wont be able to find me. Relocating my whole store is silly as I have a nice plot of land in a stable and mature sim that unfortunately is flagged Mature Content. All my landmarks are pointing to my current location.

I understand what LL is trying to do with the changes...but there are a vast majority of the shops on Mature land that arent Sexually oriented and we're the ones suffering for it.. Mature does not = Redlight any more than PG = Cartoons and Lollipops. I think LL needs to reactive the "mature content" flag and punish those who abuse it instead of punishing the good ppl who dont.

For those of you who complain about all the sex on the Mature Sims, realize there are far more places that AREN'T about sex on Mature Sims.. You will always see what you want to see.

Linden Labs boasting SL is a business platform and encouraging that mature land be sold at a higher per meter rate than PG land. Then making mature land death to retailers. Three words: Class Action Suit.

Hmmmm... people offended by naked pixels on a screen? HEH! Wonder if they turned off the lights & closed their eyes while dressing Barbie Dolls?

Voodoo turning off the mature content box works perfectly fine as it doesnt show things that are designated on mature land at all it only displays things that are on PG land so if you search flowers and end up in a sex shop you obviously dont have it checked off or someone isnt following the rules for a PG area. If you dont have a check in show mature it simply doesnt show anything located on mature land which begs the question have you ever actually unchecked the box and done a search? Because to that end it sees like you havent at least tried and are making assumptions.

We dont have a bunch of adult content at me and my partners club nor is the description of it adult in any way but you know what i cant find it unless i have show content on mature land button clicked. If you find a place full of adult content with that box unchecked then report it because it shouldnt be there as its PG land. Plain and simple it negates showing mature land period and anything located on PG land that is adult in nature (nudity sex etc) shouldnt be there..... Most of the shops in SL arnt all about sex and people do use keywords to attract extra attention but you can usually tell by their name or traffic or whatever no one is forcing anything down anyones throat you make a conscious choice to go to a place or not.

I do not know why the people who created and run second life would want to have these disrespectful things in there place anyway. second life was suposed to have been about giving people the chance to have a better life, where they can live what they were turly ment to lige. all i see is people being brought down to there lowest because things like this are being allowed to be thrown around at people everywhere they go. i did not want to know, or need to know that avatar's can be animated doing things that just dont seem right. this sould not be a place where bad things can happen. i just wish someone would understand me and want to do what is right for everyone and not just how much money they will make and how low they can bring people to.

LOL! I love the responses!!

Now that we can get sex banned from search, lets start working on getting other stuff banned!!!

Just like the real world!! Let one group start calling the shots & next thing ya know it'll be one HUGE Politically Correct Mess.

Hmmmm.... What if one doesnt like having to go thru all the ads for Casinos & stores? Can we get those hidden from Search? Political groups too!! OH! And Religions!!! Lets start hiding them too.

Funny thing is, even when I have mistakenly TP'd into a "Sex Shop", I left. No biggy. To each his/her own. Aint my place to push values on another.

I do, however, see one good outcome of this. Too many folks abused the system in order to draw customers. A lil' honesty in advertising may have helped avoid all this, but oh well.

I think eventually most adult content will be pushed to limited access private islands.

And they will merge the teen grid with the adult grid.

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I don't understand the need to whine about it, lindens did it, they did it for a reason, they arn't gunna undo it no matter how much complaining. For those who don't like it claiming sales are down, oh no, a loss of some linden for a few weeks as people adjust and get use to the change. really the entire search system needs an overhaul, it's sad when i can search for the exact name of a business, and it results with nothing.... partial word searches are entirely hit and miss now, and really the entire thing has become so useless with or without mature on since you rarely find what your looking for anyways thanks to false advertising in the ads filling up the top results why bother even trying? ever since the first search revamp after being down for 2 weeks I've been forced to shop by word of mouth and landmarks from friends since using search resulted in crap... and don't get me started on events and searching there since that's a whole diffrent topic together

HEH! Why merge? Most of 'em are probably on the Main Grid right now.

Good thing you can change an Islands rating with a flicka da switch, it will be interesting to see if this change has REALLY made an impact

I somewhat doubt it however

Living,

Here's the thing: No one can please ALL of the people ALL of the time. In a business like SL, and that is what it is for Linden Lab - a business - the goal has to be to try to be fair and equitable with as many users as possible. What is "right" as you stated above, is strictly relative. I mean, what is right for you, may not be right for me, you know? It's SL, but it's RL too if you know what I mean, and your comments are just a wee bit naive, but sweet.

I for one am one of those affected by this change; totally PG shop rendered virtually un-findable. I agree and sympathize with all the business owners who this is affecting, especially the biggies like CoCo, who are losing significant revenue.

That said however, I would LOVE it if LL could find a way to truly tweak the search function so that every SEX oriented business would require a seperate search. Because frankly, I have experienced what Voo Doo was saying about searching for a friggin table or pair of shoes WITH THE MATURE BOX NOT CHECKED (sorry to shout, just want to make that point) and STILL having sexually related content come up. I don't like that.

For the record, I am not at all prudish and I prowl the SL red light district from time to time and look around, when I decide I want to do that. I don't want that decision made for me. It's kind of like watching TV after midnight; all these stupid commercials for "Ooo baby call me now" talk lines and Girls Gone Wild, etc. Yes, *SIGH* I KNOW I can just change the channel or turn off the TV and I do. But damn, does it have to be just thrown in my face ad nauseam like so much lukewarm dirty bath water all the darn time? Geeeez.

my 2 cents. *whew* OK, let the bashing begin.


Sol

Hmmm.. lets see.. who else does this.... Apple (Macintosh for ya), Microsoft (They're the kings, they're EVERYWHERE), Linden Labs (Have you seen the news latley?), those guys behind popups and ads that are on webpages (They're also EVERYWHERE), google (*cough* *cough*), those bilboards around my house (OH NO ITS ALL IN MY FACE), newpaper ads (OH NO GETTING IN THE WAY OF MY NEWS) TV commercials (OH NO MY TV PROGRAMS), do I need to go on?

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"I'M NOT CRAZY I TELL YA! THE WORLD IS CRAZY! NOT ME! NOT ME!"

If its so cartoony - whys it so offensive?

Ill let the rest of your post stand on its own .. um .. merits.

I'm a business owner who owns land in Mature and I've got it ticked off in About Land. I've also taken off the Mature tick in my Classifieds...and still, my traffic has gone down to nil, not to mention any sales.

I'm not a big clothesmaker, but I make a fairly good daily amount, enough to pay for my tier, my rentals and my own personal space, with quite a bit more in extra monies I cash out.

Eversince the update though, my sales have gone down to pretty much zero. Again, I'm not a big maker, so I rely on my Classifieds and search criteria to bring people to my store and hence make sales. With that borked, I'm thinking of pulling out. I'm hardly even making two or three sales a day. And NEVER from my main store either.

I am realistic enough to know that I have tons of competition, and probably a lot more now with the influx of a ton more people. But that new influx was a benefit to me, until now. I'd hate to shut down as I've had this store over a year and have so much inventory that I'd hate to close down. But with the rate it's going now (lmao, I'm making less sales now than when I opened), I won't be able to afford to cash out for tier.

What's the solution? Buy land in PG? That sucks as we were told...Mature rated land would definitely fetch more in price if resold (well at least that was how the market trend was for a VERY long time).

Grrr...enough of my venting! I still love SL...it's the only place I can "sew", lol, and make beautiful things. But this search thing is really bringing my business down.

Linden labs, I don't know what y'all did or why you did it, but please change it back. As with other people who've posted here, make the XXX items/places searchable as another search criteria or tab.


Elle74

VWR-389 - Search: "[ ] Include Mature Content" setting should persist between sessions
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-389

Please click the link above, and consider voting for this change. Whether you are for, or against mature content is not a factor here.. this is an issue of the client software ignoring the desires of the user. If someone chooses to view mature content, they shouldn't have to reassert that every time they relog. Just like you shouldn't have to reassert that you DON'T want to see it. Selecting the option once should be enough for the client to remember your preferences, and the selection choice is always there, should you ever change your mind.