Protest to be held at the birthday celebration

Prop 1503 asking LL to bring back age and identity verification was basically shut down with an "acknowledgement" that was no real acknowledgement at all, but merely assurances that they will give us more anti-griefing toys instead.

So Prop 1523 was started instead as a way of stating to LL that it isn't just about possible griefers but that it is about verifying the ages of the people who register.

You can find more info at this thread:
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So if you voted for prop 1503 and you still care, let LL know that this issue still matters to you, go back and vote again for prop 1523... tell them we do not accept their non-answer.

Friday June 23rd at 2pm during the birthday celebration in world, some of us will be showing up wearing protest t-shirts and protest signs. We will not cause any problems, no shouting or heckling, but no applause and kudos to LL either. We will be a silent but hopefully very visible protest, letting LL know that we haven't stopped caring.

If you'd like to participate or can't but would like to help distribute the t-shirts and get the word out, you can IM me in world or if I'm not there just grab the box of info and shirts and stuff from my land called Hottie on the Sala sim. (easy to find) Tengu Yamabushi was kind enough to put the box together and I believe you can also find one on his land.
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It seems like griefing the party to me, count me out.

Agreed. I, for one, am not in favor of this. Yes, I think LL made a mistake by introducing the new registration system before there were sufficient tools in place to control the side effects it is causing, but introducing negativity to a happy event such as the birthday celebration is wrong, in my book.

P2

What, showing up with a t-shirt on and not doing or saying anything is griefing?

I'm afraid that that one went straight over my head.

Please send me some TShirts!

I wanna be involved in another (useless) attempt at communication with LL

Oh no please understand this is very much NOT about griefing or causing any problems at all!! WE DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO DO THAT!

We will be quiet and well mannered. The only sign of any protest at all are the t-shirts and in fact for people who choose to carry signs we will hope they be respectful of the people around them and are careful not to get in anyone's way.

We will sit and listen to the speeches just like everyone else. NO shouting, NO heckling, No causing any chaos. We want to be noticed but not despised and thrown out. We are not there to detract from any celebration. We are only there to let the Lindens see us.

But think about what they are celebrating. They are celebrating what SL was before, a vibrant creative community, while ignoring what they are allowing it to become, an environment full to the brim with children playing adult games and people with no accountability for their actions wreaking as much havoc as they like.

We WILL NOT disrupt anything! But we do have the right to sit and be seen and show our support for what we think is a worthy cause.

Our goal is not to cause any negativity Phoenix. If anyone does that believe me, those of us who started this will be just as unhappy as you will be. We're only expressing an opinion quietly and peacefully in a place where we know Lindens will see it.

If I can be there, I will.

I also just completed my DownGrade to Basic. General Comments was simple:

Protest for Open Registration.

Been meaning to do this anyway, my renewal is up in about two weeks and I'm in no mood anymore to consider otherwise.

--Alan

Then you didn't bother to read the post, did you?

Go for it Allana! Hope you get a good turnout. It'd be cool if all the photos from the celebrations showed a sea of protestors

Unless my cable crashes, I shall be there.

Lewis

I agree with your concerns but not with the way you are suggesting to take action.
Alot of people put a tremendous amount of effort into
their contributions to the party, it is mostly the artists and contributors that may take the offense to the timing.

In addition, it sounds like you would be unwittingly setting
yourselves up as scapegoats for the real griefers.

Possibly more analysis is a good idea.

If I can I will be there with shirt and sign

Infiniview - yes, we will be a nice target... and I sincerely hope that griefers will come and shoot us. Maybe THAT will show Lindens what they just did. Heck, I'd be DAMN happy to see some Lindens orbited so they'll feel what it feels like

Lindens won't listen to us? Well, let's make them listen! They exist for us, not the other way 'round!

This problem affects all of us. Nobody is exempt from the dangers of free alt griefing, and in fact those who provide more content and therefore have more money are perhaps better targets for the griefers.



No worries, I guess we can all just make throwaway alts for the task, as there's no accountability or traceability any more.

Lewis

I agree with Phoenix and would like to add that it's not going to be fair to people who want to be there but can't because there are protesters taking up space in the sim. A protest like this would be fine irl as you don't have to worry about how many people can fit into a sim. I am not happy at all about the recent lack of acct verification but protesting when another person wants to go and have fun isn't cool. It's not going to hurt LL because they obviously know how we feel, it will hurt someone who genuinely wants to see the celebration and have fun and can't because the sim is full...

No, the Lindens don't 'obviously know how we feel' because they arbitrarily closed down the two propositions that expressed people's disquiet. I didn't get to vote, and a lot of people didn't get to vote.

So not only do the Lindens not know how we feel, they have made it clear that they are not interested in how we feel.

As someone who has been in Second Life almost since the beginning (I first came in during April 2003 with a different av) I find that uncharacteristically insulting and dictatorial, and would certainly welcome the chance to show how I feel, even if it's only by wearing a t-shirt.

I've already suggested that by simply having the debug window open to see how many people are in a region, it would be easy to move to one of the other regions nearby, and if necessary teleport out should all reach maximum capacity.

I agree that disrupting other people's experience would be detrimental to our cause - but Linden Labs will listen to us, their only choice is whether to act or ignore. As long as we do not break any rules, we have just as much right to be there as anyone else, as the event is open to all residents.

If anyone in our party does break the rules... I'm out of there.

Lewis

Showing up wearing visible protest slogans at a birthday party might be a little over the top... at least in my view.

You want to make a statement? Show up in the default newbie outfit, and wear a blank red shirt.

Have fun, enjoy the party, if asked about the outfit, just say you support stricter age checking for new citizens.

Make it positive. And a bunch of redshirted newbie clones will certainly make the popularity of the sentiment rather obvious, and may encourage folks to quietly join your ranks right then and there.

So you changed av's or is this just an alt? Why do you hide your main from us?

How could they not know how we feel? Anyone can take a quick look at the forums alone to see that. They may not care, but they know...

If the protest does shut down the celebration, then it will have been a success.
LL can just extend the celebrations a couple of days, what is the cost to them?

Anyway, since the max number of AV's supported in each sims is only 40, that makes any kind of "celebration" just a little party in my book. Wnat to make EVERYONE feel like celebrating SL's birthday? instead of giving out a useless gadget, give us free tier for a week.

THEN it will be griefing. Not just LL has put a lot of time into this celebration, but residents as well. You want to have a protest? Do it at one of the WA's or something. Why detract from resident's fun at all>

You didn't look at my join date, did you? Try it.

Many more people would have voted than would have posted on here.

They are just trying to pad their user numbers. To what end I'm not sure. My best guess is it's a marketing ploy to try to get in with the big gamer dogs out in SF or to sell off SL to a gaming company. I can't think of any other reason you'd open it up to the griefers like they have.

If they're trying to catch WOW's number they got 30,000 closer in May.. No not because they added 30,000 users to SL.. Blizzard perma banned 30,000 users for violating the TOS.. I'd like to see Linden Lab try that LOL..

I'm protesting the complete disreguard for what we put up on the voting system by not even going to their events. I hardly log in anymore, just enough to do some customer support, and I don't think I've been to a Linden run function since my AV was 6 months old or so and saw just how much they don't listen to us.

I think it would be hilarious if noone showed up to the birthday party. I know I won't be there.

Folks at Linden labs do listen.
Those that are in a position to care about certain issues... do.

Listening, understanding and caring does not and should not automatically result in 'agreeing'.

(Wow, so many standard come-backs to that, how to choose just one?)

What keeps you here anyway? The joy of complaining?