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CJ Carnot
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Join date: 23 Oct 2005
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06-30-2006 07:17
From: Stan Pomeray
Why is not your right to be able to do so?


Because Linden Labs can prevent you from logging on for ANY reason they want so actually by definition, you have no "right" to access the service and would be unable to argue you had one in court.
Rakorneth Rezillo
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Join date: 9 Jun 2006
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06-30-2006 08:04
LINDEN LABS CAN'T BE HELD LIABLE FOR KIDS SEEING STUFF THEY SHOULDN'T SEE!

I was reading the Terms of Service because I was bored and I found this:

Linden Lab cannot absolutely control whether minors gain access to the Service other than the Teen Area, and makes no representation that users outside the Teen Area are mon minors. Linden Lab cannot absolutely control whether adults gain access to the Teen Area of the Service, and makes no representation that users inside the Teen Area are not adults. Adult employees, contractors and partners of Linden Lab regularly conduct their work in the Teen Area. Linden Lab cannot ensure that other users will not provide Content or access to Content that parents or guardians may find inappropiate or that any user may find objectionable.

This wonderfull little paragraph, mainly the last sentence, is a disclaimer showing that LL cannot be held liable for a kid having access to anything of a sexuall nature. Happy now?
Maggie McArdle
FIOS hates puppies
Join date: 8 May 2006
Posts: 2,855
06-30-2006 09:05
From: Iris Ophelia
Theoretically, griefers to a gorean sim like the one Maggie lives in, which I'm assuming most of her experience is based in, may choose furry avs to add a little extra grief since typically furries aren't allowed in Gorean sims. Just a thought.




thank you isis
Selador Cellardoor
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06-30-2006 10:41
From: Stan Pomeray
People are very keen on bandying the word "privilege" around aren't they?

I really struggle with the concept of it being a "privilege" to use SL.

It's no more a "privilege" to use SL than it is to use Google, MSN, Wikipaedia, or anything else that is internet based and open to anyone. You just load it up and use it.

Yes its true that LL reserves the right to disallow you from playing SL, but that doesn't make it a "privilege" to use SL either.

By definition, it IS your right to access SL (provided you have the necessary equipment and internet connection to be able to do it). Quite clearly it isn't anyone's right to do things that break the terms of service, but simply accessing SL? Yes, its there, it exists, you can access it, much like the internet itself. Why is not your right to be able to do so?


I know, it really annoys me too. You can guarantee that if there is any thread critical of the Lindens, sooner or later someone will post that it's a privilege to be here, and that the Lindens are entitled to do what they like.

Yes, they are. The problem is most threads of this kind are not about the legalities, but about what the Lindens should do.
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Phedre Aquitaine
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06-30-2006 10:42
From: Iris Ophelia
Theoretically, griefers to a gorean sim like the one Maggie lives in, which I'm assuming most of her experience is based in, may choose furry avs to add a little extra grief since typically furries aren't allowed in Gorean sims. Just a thought.


Quite possibly. It's true enough that I don't hang out in Gor, so I wouldn't know what griefers did there.

Of course, conflating the entirety of the grid with Gor is faulty thinking.
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Selador Cellardoor
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06-30-2006 10:43
From: Iris Ophelia
Theoretically, griefers to a gorean sim like the one Maggie lives in, which I'm assuming most of her experience is based in, may choose furry avs to add a little extra grief since typically furries aren't allowed in Gorean sims. Just a thought.


That still doesn't validate her statement: "It's a known fact that the majority of griefers use furry avi's" (sic)
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kaia Ennui
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06-30-2006 10:56
From: Maggie McArdle
my post wasn't filled with furry hatred, and im not looking for a fight. its a known fact that the majority of griefers use furry avi's, and they do spoil it for those who just want to have a good time. thats not furry bashing in the future when reading posts please read the entire post before replying.

on a lighter note yayayaya!! i learned how to do the quote thingy



I have never experienced a griefer in a furry avie - usually in human form or like a deformed hideous looking human avie. I have been in SL over a year and my friend owns one of the most popular clubs which has seen a fair amount of griefers over the past year. Well known fact? I dont think so. The thing is your griefer groups like W-hat, for the most part, hate furries. Look at the Something Awful forums if you dont believe me. Furry sims are actually griefed quite a bit for being furry.

I'm sure you meant no harm, but your simply misinformed or making an assumption based on your experience and stating it as a well known fact. This kind of generalization just breeds stereotyping.

Griefers come in all shapes and sizes. period.
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Ethen Till
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Join date: 29 Apr 2006
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who should we really blame
06-30-2006 11:03
who, the people that do get online and make greifing a sport, or is it Teenagers we all know its them... yea right.. LL is the one that made these changes sooner or later something going to happen and no one going to like it and everyone leaves :(

I respect LL for making SL, but I Blame LL for the mess ups and changes that make SL sucky.. lag,open reg., showing if or if not a credit card or paypal account was used :/

one its going to turn around and makes everyone happy or everyone that can't take it is going to leave and SL is going to lose residents...

I hope it turns around, but we can't turn away form the truth..
Veiner Austinmer
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Join date: 28 Apr 2006
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06-30-2006 11:23
From: kaia Ennui
The thing is your griefer groups like W-hat, for the most part, hate furries.


A chunk of w-hat members are actually furries.
Troy Vogel
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Join date: 16 Aug 2004
Posts: 478
ok buh bye, we will miss ya
06-30-2006 11:25
Thank you for flying SL Airlines.

Bye, buh-bye, bye now...


Troy
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Maggie McArdle
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Join date: 8 May 2006
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06-30-2006 12:29
From: kaia Ennui
I have never experienced a griefer in a furry avie - usually in human form or like a deformed hideous looking human avie. I have been in SL over a year and my friend owns one of the most popular clubs which has seen a fair amount of griefers over the past year. Well known fact? I dont think so. The thing is your griefer groups like W-hat, for the most part, hate furries. Look at the Something Awful forums if you dont believe me. Furry sims are actually griefed quite a bit for being furry.

I'm sure you meant no harm, but your simply misinformed or making an assumption based on your experience and stating it as a well known fact. This kind of generalization just breeds stereotyping.

Griefers come in all shapes and sizes. period.

ok i see its a language thing because i swear when i reread my posts i see one word i use consistantly and its the word "USE".

i never implied that ALL furries = griefers as some wish to make it out to be, its is a fact and my experiance that when some Gor sims are attacked furry avas are "USED"

now again take it as you wish. i refuse to justify, rectify or do any other fying anymore.

had to add this was reminded and before anyone asks: how they get onto the sim before anyone asks is a griefer comes onto the sim in human form under the pretext of OBSERVER: he or she then goes to a place on the sim (in one it was the tavern) and teleports them in the players or "guards" then spend and waste time ejecting them meanwhile the chief griefer has either disappeared or has changed avas to only do it again.
Selador Cellardoor
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07-01-2006 08:41
From: Maggie McArdle
i never implied that ALL furries = griefers as some wish to make it out to be, its is a fact and my experiance that when some Gor sims are attacked furry avas are "USED"



Yes, but that isn't what you said. What you said was: "its a known fact that most griefers use furry avi's (sic)"
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