Edge Land No More?
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Khir Stryker
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06-16-2006 19:32
Ok so I own several plots of land in Yawgoo a Very Beautiful Snow Sim, My House as pictured "was" on the edge of the sim. I log in today to find endless mounds of snow built up around the edge and goes as far as your eye can see.. I travelled a good ways in both directions and its the same for several of the sims here.. The Extra land does not show on the map as a sim as well as its blocked from accessing it. Im guessing the lindens are planning on expanding the main land sim. I really enjoyed my edge land home for many reason and now it seems that The Money spent in game and in real life to afford the land is all going to waste. Does anyone know whats goijng on 
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Fenrir Reitveld
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06-16-2006 19:54
I, too, have noticed this.I am in Hoodoo, which is east of Yawgoo. My awesome view of desolance and endless ocean has been replaced with snow. I've flown all the way to the east southern coast of the mainland (Loveland) and it's the same all the way. I have not tried the western side but assume it is the same. One can also notice what looks like a part of some new mainland immediately to the south. I guess it's a given then that the mainland is going to be extended? I'd like to point out that I am a tad annoyed I won't get to have my edge-of-the-world view anymore... But there's not a damn thing I can do about it aside from move.
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Sam Portocarrero
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06-16-2006 20:25
Humm intresting, thats one reason I never bought land on the edge of the world. (it was VERY tempting though) It's like buying in a city, you were given no promices that the land would keep it's beautiful view. (like a skyscraper being built that will block your apartment's view of the river)
I wonder, if they arent going to expand that land, are they thinking "far reaching no-mans land looks better as a EOW background?
- Sam
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Khamon Fate
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06-16-2006 21:42
Fate Gardens was located on the edge of the world in Olive. Good people moved into Indigo; but I never quite got over the jolt of logging in and not seeing the endless expanse. Won't make that mistake every again.
This is the first time I remember sims being added to the mainland under such secrecy that they have no name and are barred from public entry. I wonder if there's any good explanation for it?
Hey! I typed that with a straight face. Good explanation ha ha ha
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Weedy Herbst
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06-16-2006 22:41
LL sold off all the available island locations in the silly "reservation" system. Now they have limited space available for new continents, so they just add on existing continents.
I met a few people today, who are not amused that new sims appeared on the once void horizon.
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Edav Nomad
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06-16-2006 22:48
They shouldn't have been surprised, living in those areas, that new sims wouldn't be put there sooner or later. Thats one of the reasons I've never owned land in those areas.
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Dana Bergson
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06-16-2006 23:05
There was a discussion a while ago with some very friendly newbie lady who had land suddenly appear on her former beach. This is often very unfortunate for the owner of such land.
Everyone who has been a while in SL will have seen such things happen. It should be not much of a surprise, though. Over a certain period of time you can expect Linden Lab to set up new sims at every edge, where land currently looks, like it has been cut off with a knife. The ony permanent "End of World" land is in sims with an ocean shore facing the void.
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Weedy Herbst
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06-16-2006 23:07
From: Dana Bergson There was a discussion a while ago with some very friendly newbie lady who had land suddenly appear on her former beach. This is often very unfortunate for the owner of such land.
Everyone who has been a while in SL will have seen such things happen. It should be not much of a surprise, though. Over a certain period of time you can expect Linden Lab to set up new sims at every edge, where land currently looks, like it has been cut off with a knife. The ony permanent "End of World" land is in sims with an ocean shore facing the void. Ocean void sims are not safe either, I guess.
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Dana Bergson
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06-16-2006 23:18
From: Weedy Herbst Ocean void sims are not safe either, I guess. I admit - what you consider an endless view might mutate to a bay that is only 200m wide. But you can actually guess if this might happen by looking on the map. A natural and realistic terrain seems to very important in the Lindens design process for land. At least you can be rather sure, that an edge that was "cut with the knife" won't stay an egde; which is true with most of the larger rental operations, too.
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Mad Wombat
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06-17-2006 03:36
The six German sims to the south of the edge has been moved even further south. Have you notice that?
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Yumi Murakami
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06-17-2006 05:13
From: Weedy Herbst LL sold off all the available island locations in the silly "reservation" system. Now they have limited space available for new continents, so they just add on existing continents. Just a moment - is that really true? All available island spots have been sold, ie, it's now impossible for anyone to buy an island from LL?
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Svar Beckersted
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06-17-2006 05:52
From: Yumi Murakami Just a moment - is that really true? All available island spots have been sold, ie, it's now impossible for anyone to buy an island from LL? You can still buy a private island anywhere there is an open space and there are lots of available locations.
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Weedy Herbst
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06-17-2006 06:36
From: Yumi Murakami Just a moment - is that really true? All available island spots have been sold, ie, it's now impossible for anyone to buy an island from LL? If you own an island, you can "reserve" the sim blocks surrounding it (or anywhere for that matter) for a monthly fee, something to the tune of 10 bucks per month. This insures your views are protected, but ties up alot of grid area and restricts potential continental development. It's basically a cash grab based around the fear of people getting too close to you. Several of the void areas are "reserved", hence LL cannot build new continents without a major grid expansion. Meanwhile, expect them to "milk" any regions they are able, from squeezing the cash cow. Now I know what Philip meant when he said LL has "big plans" for the mainland.
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Shack Dougall
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06-17-2006 06:48
From: Edav Nomad They shouldn't have been surprised, living in those areas, that new sims wouldn't be put there sooner or later. I was surprised. I don't own land there, but it certainly surprised me. It's been a year or more since LL added any land there. They created the northern and southern continents rather than building there. They created the water bridges to the resident-created sims. Obviously LL can do what they want, but after so much time, I think it's reasonable to be surprised.
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Dana Bergson
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06-17-2006 07:00
From: Mad Wombat The six German sims to the south of the edge has been moved even further south. Have you notice that? Yea .. it realy looks like a big reorganisation in the mainland activities. Exciting times ahead. 
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Khamon Fate
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06-17-2006 07:21
I doubt that the express purposes of the mainland are being changed. Even with all the new sims it'll only be useful for acclimating newbies to the interface and facilitating the formation of groups out the international mixing bowl.
We will still have to migrate to away from the Linden estates to our own if we seriously want to create nice environments to share with our friends.
Maybe all this secrecy is hype for the three year "celebration!" Somebody's gotta generate some sometime I suppose. Might as well be LL themselves.
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Lefty Belvedere
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06-17-2006 07:23
As a landowner over the past year and a half, I encourage all of us to view this new terraforming as an exciting event If you ever wish to take a look at the grid from a landbuyers perspective, visit the land store. You might be amazed at how the SL universe is actually zoned and managed! It's a neat trick to keep the world map feelinjg as natural and organic as possible, but under the rolling hills things are actually very rigid and guided For months now, the world grid has been setup with no-buy zones around the mainland, too-far zones around the extreme edges and they have even offered an explaination that they "are always leaving room for additional mainland regions" They even go as far as saying that they have had "entire continents landscaped for quite a while" The first time I had to move, I thought it was a pain. But i soon realized that it was exciting having the opportunity to find new land, build a new house and look forward to exploring new neighbors and 'hoods  One of my favorite things here in SL is that nothing is static. You can always watch your landscape change with the rest of life. ~Lefty
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Shack Dougall
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06-17-2006 07:30
From: Lefty Belvedere The first time I had to move, I thought it was a pain. But i soon realized that it was exciting having the opportunity to find new land, build a new house and look forward to exploring new neighbors and 'hoods  One of my favorite things here in SL is that nothing is static. You can always watch your landscape change with the rest of life. It's all good, I just wish that LL would give us a little more insight into their plans.
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Khamon Fate
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06-17-2006 08:04
From: Shack Dougall It's all good, I just wish that LL would give us a little more insight into their plans. We've always wished this but it would break the wora'uld mythos of land scarcity and contiguous growth.
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Dana Bergson
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06-17-2006 08:24
From: Shack Dougall It's all good, I just wish that LL would give us a little more insight into their plans. Where would be the fun if there was no element of surprise. 
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Shack Dougall
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06-17-2006 10:31
From: Dana Bergson Where would be the fun if there was no element of surprise.  lol, yes. The least that they could have done was to put out a story about it. Kinda like they did with Magellen Linden and the north continent. Maybe BillyBob Linden could accidentally discover the rest of the old world while stumbling around in a drunken haze. Of course, we don't know how this is going to play out, but the new sims go all the way up the eastern coast and even replace some of the void water sims that were created as bridges to the block sims. It just blows my mind why LL put themselves in this position. All they had to do was to make the block sims a separate continent, but instead they created two void water bridges to connect them to the old world. They put those void sims right in the middle of their preplanned world!?! Surely, the people next to those void water sims have a right to be surprised. It's clearly LL's right to do this and I think it's a good thing for the land, but it reinforces the impression of instability and unpredictability in both the economy and the world in general.
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Eloise Pasteur
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06-17-2006 23:42
I used to live in a corner, emptiness on two sides...
Rather confusingly ONE of the sides has been filled up with an inaccessible sim, the other is still empty. I'm guessing there's too much land there for it to be a void (the fact about land says it supports 15k objects tends to support that too), and the sim will be up for auction sometime. Good job it's not the only reason I'm there!
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Dana Bergson
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06-18-2006 00:37
From: Shack Dougall It's clearly LL's right to do this and I think it's a good thing for the land, but it reinforces the impression of instability and unpredictability in both the economy and the world in general. Like ... eeehm ... for instance ... in the "real" world?
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Shack Dougall
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06-18-2006 08:31
From: Dana Bergson Like ... eeehm ... for instance ... in the "real" world? Uncertainty is a natural condition, of course. All I'm saying is that LL creates more uncertainty than is necessary.
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Khir Stryker
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06-18-2006 10:12
From: Dana Bergson There was a discussion a while ago with some very friendly newbie lady who had land suddenly appear on her former beach. This is often very unfortunate for the owner of such land.
Everyone who has been a while in SL will have seen such things happen. It should be not much of a surprise, though. Over a certain period of time you can expect Linden Lab to set up new sims at every edge, where land currently looks, like it has been cut off with a knife. The ony permanent "End of World" land is in sims with an ocean shore facing the void. Ive been in SL since 04 and have owned lots of Edge land, I prefer this and this is the first time its ever happened
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