Capitalists Everywhere Support Philip Linden's Dwell Decision

ELIMINATION OF DWELL PAYMENTS

*Seal of Approval*

Sincerely,
SecondLife Capitalists.

Funny how the OP is more of an opportunist than a capitalist.

Shouldn't that stamp read 'Second Life Vultures'?

I propose a Forum-wide ban on all -ists and -isms!

Jamie you got that right. SL is turnig more and more into a greedy capitalist game. Money hungry get all you can for as least as possible game. Never have I seen such greed ingame as I have here. And i have played several other games.

The only place I get that impression is the Economy forum

Well, I think the primary reason of this is due to the fact that $L's are actually worth a relatively decent amount of real world currency compared to other MMO's. This isn't just monopoly money, and as long as it remains that way there will be greed, just as there is greed in RL. I have always took SL as a characture of RL, due the fact that as people do not directly see the people they are dealing with, they somehow lose the humanity of it all.

The mere sniff of money in SL and people start talking about greed. I don't have this cynical perspective SL, I see far more happening here than greed. I look around and I se amazing creations, amazing talent, interesting people. Take off the blinkers of ignorance prejudice and you'll see it for what it is.

It might help if the OP was an actual capitalist.

Yep, capitalists everywhere support the decision.

The 99% remaining in the SL playerbase are getting ready to quit or tier down because they can no longer afford to spend so much money with basically no opportunity to recover any of the costs.

You can kiss goodbye to a lot of 'non profit' places.

You can kiss goodbye to a lot of game areas and clubs that were dependent on traffic to survive.

You can kiss goodbye to people doing stuff just for fun.

What will be left? A few people selling stuff that nobody can afford to buy, and a few land dealers making money from new players who don't know better - and dont stay around for long because there is nothing for them to do.

It's typical LL behaviour. Just like the Bush sign guy, they take the easy option and ignore it. Now, instead of making a new way of measuring activity which camping chairs would not work with, they just drop one of the few ways that people can make money in-world.

A short-sighted narrow minded decision with no regard for the community at large made by a bunch of clueless boneheads, thats what this is.

Lewis

99% ? Very impressive.
Where will they go ?
They will play World Of Warcraft and ask Blizzard to be paid in Gold they can resell ?

This is totally insane.



So, for you, there is nothing better to do ingame than getting traffic and earn a few money with dwell ? Sure... it's your right to think that. But it's not the idea of 99% of the playerbase



It's not about camping chair !!




Really, are your sure you're not the short-sighted narrow minded one ?
Dwell removal isn't the end of the game, really

You miss the point entirely.

My gameplay style does not depend on a few lousy L$ a day for the people who visit my land.

What I'm saying is that this is a big policy change, that has not been thought through properly as to the impact it is going to have on a lot of people. As always, it's the 'easy option' rather than a sensible one - several examples of a solution I have already proposed.

Of course it's about camping chairs and dance pads. This is what was abusing the traffic/dwell system, and somewhere somebody decided that this was the best solution.

Obviously it isn't, otherwise we wouldn't have so many people upset about it. There is no justification for such a sweeping change with no alternative solution.

In many games, there are rewards to be gained, such as levelling up and weapons etc that are unlocked as you progress. What is there to be gained through putting time into SL? The only thing really is to cash out through Lindex - and if people aren't getting the money in the first place, they won't be spending it buying stuff from other players, who then won't be able to cash out as their income has reduced. Then those who were only here for the money quit, and the non-profit places who can't afford to stay afloat go, and who's left? Newbies who can't do anything, or buy anything because there is nothing left to do.

Oh well, SL was good whilst it lasted.... this is the beginning of the end.

Lewis

::hrug::: Communist Seal of Approval as well.

Am I the only one who finds every post the OP posts as highly amusing?

This whole forum is a laugh a minute

No.

SL is what you make of it. You don't actually *need* anything in SL to have a good time. You will have capitalists and consumers and those that go against the grain. Like I said, SL is what you make of it - it can be a game, a platform, a business oppportunity or whatever.

I think Lewis hit it right on the head.

I have been waiting to see what Linden Lab had up their sleeve after removing DI.

I see now they are taking something else away.

We pay hosts on a daily basis for our Slingo games (I know many hate slingo, but yet there are a ton of people that do like to play it) we also pay to start the pots.

That will end after this week.

Even after building a large area in Pruni, most of which is park like, what would my options be?

Sure we had Easter Egg hunts this weekend, even had a couple young ladies try to run some of the typical *best in* type events in our club area. We don't make any money on these type things, we lose money...everyday.

I keep hearing people saying "great! now we will have some real events and interesting things to do now!*

Anyone care to let us people know that don't design shoes, clothes, hair, avatars etc. or script flying machines, weapons etc. what we need to do to make a buck in here????

Sorry I don't want a Mall...

I have spent way to much already on this *platform* and between the performance issues, the expensive Tier, this last move by Linden Lab finally showed me the light...sorry guys but I finally realized just how much I am paying to test your Beta platform and it isn't worth it.

Time to get rid of all the land and use this for what it is good for if you don't design clothes, blingy things or vehicles....A 3D Chat Platform...

Oh, 99%? Are you sure? Will you PERSONALLY be tiering down and/or quitting? Or, are you just assuming that someone somewhere might?



Which? I won't be closing any of mine.



Which?



Now this is just rediculous.



There will always be plenty to do. Those who don't wish to compensate residents for resident created entertainment should just be content with Linden created entertainment. Linden offers several built-in entertainment features, such as "chat", and a library of "freebie" content.



Cash inflow adjustments have nothing to do with camping chairs.



Yes, that sums up your post very well.

I imagine you could hire yourself out to throw events for successful merchants, who wish to get people to their shops to buy stuff.

I actually see this as an opportunmity for you.

Lewis,

I think you are completely off base on some of the things you are saying. I know of at several *major* clubs that spend a lot of money out of pocket as is and are not worried about the dwell going away. This is because they not only enjoy what they do, but they recieve help from those who enjoy the services provided. I give out linden each week through tipping certain club owners and the like, simply because I had fun and I feel they deserve it.

For you to make a statement that 99% of the SL population will be upset by this decision, just goes to show, you clearly havent ready the MAJORITY of posts in this forum saying HURRAY THE DWELL IS DEAD.

Owners of non profit groups in the least do it because they choose to. A few lousy linden each week will not change this. As for claiming the dwell will make or break majority of players is not only unfounded it is ludicris. Theres plenty of Linden currently floating around the world that people will not have to continually spend more *real world* cash. OMG NO!!! People might actually have to DO something in world (create content, design, build, etc) in order to make more linden to sustain their activities... removing the dwell itself functions as an incentive to create content that people enjoy. That doesnt mean selling the content either... I know enough people in game who give out linden when they have a good time.

As for the comment made about paying to start off slingo pots, although thats very generous of you, I think its over kill. IceDragons Playpen often has huge slingo pots and most of the time its funded by the players (hosts usually included) and theres no start up pot needed. If you are worried you wont be able to pay your hosts as much, let me know I'll do it for cheaper or even *FREE* because... guess what... I enjoy the SL experience.

It seems that most of those here against the dwell being removed have a severe lack of creativity since they can't seem to think of any other easy ways to bring in a steady flow of linden (and probably more steady then dwell). As for getting rid of camping chairs, i dont think the removal of dwell will do this either. Only those who tried to make profit off of dwell with get rid of the chairs. For the majority of those trying to get on the popular list, camping chairs will stick around as they are an awesome form of advertisement. My first week as a *noob* was spent visiting the places on the popular lists... many of which I still go to.

Cheers,

Kirk

SL II -- Money Hungry Hippos!

I wish SL had a capitalist economy, but it doesn't. A money based economy isn't the same thing as a capitalist economy. Capitalism requires a market where capital can be invested in businesses. Until LL creates a way to allow investment that doesn't rely on the good graces of the person receiving the money, the $L will continue to decline in value.

Why? Because there will always be more people wanting to sell $L than to buy $L. Right now I get $L500 a week plus dwell payments minus a few minor fees. That money is spent in-world on widgets and gadgets and thing-a-majigs. The business owners I buy from trade their $L for $US. Stipend and dwell money is "game money". It doesn't have the same "real" feel as $US. Blowing a few thousand $L is fun. But if I had to buy that few thousand $L, I'd be much less inclined to "blow" it. After all, what is there that is really worth buying in SL? Even for entertainment? There isn't that much that I'd spend real money on.

I would spend real money on investing in SL businesses. But right now that's just not feasible under the current economic structure. If you think I'm hesitant to spend real money on widgets, do you really think I'd give real money to an anonymous person, about whom I really know nothing, to invest in his (or her or their) business? No way Jose.

So I don't see getting rid of dwell or stipends as fixing the devaluation problem. It might slow it down, but until there is a real reason to buy $L, there will always be more sellers than buyers.

Dwell was not always with us. It was a replacement system to measure popularity based on how attractive your build was. It was gamed. It was put in place to replace the system of voting boothes where people would vote for a good build... Guess what, that was gamed too.

Dwell isn't needed. The only people who ever benefitted from it were large landowners who already had money. (If you claim not to have money, then why the hell are you paying for a sim each month?) It's the opposite end of the spectrum from stipends, which in my opinion, are necessary, at least for some at the lower end of the wealth scale.

Anyway, I support the decision to end it too, and if I hear anyone call me a capitalist, I'm going to come over there and slap you around with Kendra's shoe ... (cos I can't afford one of my own)

Bye

I have benefited from Dwell. I am not a large land owner. I do not already have money. Dwell almost doubles my weekly income. The merchants I buy from have benefited from Dwell. Dwell was a part of the economic structure when I started my business. With it's withdrawal, my business model will have to change. But dismissing the removal of Dwell as just some rich people's problem is misleading. It will affect many people. If it didn't affect many people, there wouldn't have been a reason to remove it in the first place.