Land Pricing Mistake

Thanks for the replies, especially Jack Harker who explained how they knew about the error so quickly.

As I said in my original post, I made the mistake. I'm not pointing fingers or complaining about it. Overall it was a small price to pay for such a valuable learning experience.

I agree totally Glory.

These guys use the rules to suit themselves, while using the same rules to attack others.

All this crap about feature suggestion and money has no value are just cowardly arguments to accelerate and justify their behavior. It gets worse every day. Wake up LL.

Legitimate land dealers are leaving left and right becuase these scoundrels play from an uneven platform and LL is supporting them, while snubbing the victims.

You have NO RIGHT to speak to my mental age. THAT is a personal attack.

Enjoy the corn.

Dragon, to imply that I harass you in world is a libel. Reported, yet again.

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you amuse me - i've heard that for WEEKs from you

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Oh you think thats funny huh?

Well how about stalking me in SL, joining one of my groups and harassing me about my RL injuries?

That not harassment and griefing?

I am the founder of the group that Weedy is referring to, and was on that day.
The group had accidentally been left open, and as can be seen by the thread, theres no love lost between Weedy, and Dragon and Wrestling.
Therefore, I ask you, what reason would they have for joining a group called "Weedy is Queen of the Forums" except to stalk her, especially when they start using the group chat to ask about Weedys injuries.
Of course the group is now closed again, and they were ejected from the group by me.

i will answer this with a quote from weedy



your group was open anyone could have joined hence no TOS violation.... you realized the error and corrected it... issue done with.

Harassing someone about RL injuries IS a violation.

sure it is you are correct first thing that you were right about your entire rant... congrats

I'm right about everything I've said this post. There is not one point which can be refuted, poor attempt at an attack to belittle me, to make yourself look taller.

Kinda like Charles Manson telling me that it's wrong to jaywalk.

I think I'm going to have to disagree with a few of your comments that you've made here Weedy and if you continue the slander of a group that I belong to I'm going to be forced to report you as well. I've tried to stay out of all of the arguements here but I have to admit that it gets me a bit riled to read such things as: this group ought to be disbanded and all the members are no good thieving land swoopers. LL should boot us all? Do you no everyone in this group personally? Did you even know that I was a member? Have you and I had a problem that I don't know about? Such generlizations about things and you don't even have all the facts. If you have an issue with a few members then so be it but I don't like the references you are making about the whole group and would appreciate it you quit doing so. Thanks. And please everyone READ THE CONFIRMATION BOX BEFORE CLICKING TO SELL YOUR LAND!!!! Out of all the suggestions that I've read on here the one I agree with the most is a change to the joining of land and the pricing error it creates. That's my 2 cents. Can't we all just get along?

Personally, I'm happy to see this thread. It's given me a nice list of land swoopers to share with my friends, to put on our ban lists, and add to our security orbs as an automatic TP home.

Thanks.

I did not start this thread and TWO VICTIMS of one of your group's members have spoken out. Reporting the truth about your group members actions is not slander. I was a witness to the incident and have every right to report and comment.

I read back, yet didn't see anywhere I had mentioned your name. No, I do not have any issue with your personally. I stand on my reputation as being a fair and honest business person in SL, so your attempt to tear me down to elevate your group is failing.

Does your group support land swooping from unsuspecting residents? Other members of your group have done the same in the past, would you like to see documentation?

It's like you answered a question with a question, I dont understand you. So, I guess that means your backtracking on your statement that the whole group should be booted by SL? If not then your directly implying things about me which I take offense to. You spoke in generalities about a whole group when in fact you only had problems with a few people in the group. You need to be more careful where and how you direct your offensive comments. Please leave the rest of us out of your attacks in the future. Thanks.

So what? It's bullshit. Snowball's chance in hell to stand up in court.

Suppose I set up a casino in a state where gambling was illegal. When the players came in they could buy these chips, we'll call them "Lindens". They can gamble with these chips if they sign a contract saying they have no legal value. Then when they leave they have the opportunity to cash out these chips or "Lindens".

Somehow I think a court would find that to be no different from gambling with money, since it's obvious that casinos can't use that as a loophole to open up in states where gambling isn't legal.

If it's directly fungible to cash, it's cash.

I don't mean this as an attack on you personally. I am somewhat perplexed by some members of your group although, who have repeatedly victimized other residents. Co-incidentally, after some of these incidents occurred, ownership of the land changed to other group members.

It is reasonable to ask if your group supports this behavior. Yes, or no? Again, I have no evidence that you are party to anything nefarious, but "don't ask, don't tell" is not really a good policy for a land group. Wouldn't you agree?

You=The Land Swoopers. If you think that applies to you then that's your business.

You had quoted my post above this statement. If it was a grammer/english
usage error on your part, you could have just said so. =)

No hard feelings though, apology accepted. It does however put me back
on track about my original post in this thread, politeness and education.

I invite anyone to read through this thread, from the beginning, and see how
it turned from a well written disagreement among individuals (sure, emotions
were high, but people were civil) and it turned into just another flame thread.
It is interesting to note that the percieved "good guys" are often the one's
with the biggest potty mouths. Poo.

* On an interesting side note, I looked up in the forums about this polite
gang of hoodlums roaming Second Life raping people of there land and found this
post and quote:

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After reading that, among other posts I found, I would have to agree with Mr. Junior
(Unknown?) that calling for the banning and destruction of an entire group sounds
a little harsh when the debate seems to be centered on a few of its members, and in fact
as to whether what they are doing violates a game rule seems to be in question as well.

Deal with each situation as it occurs, it is ALWAYS dangerous to throw blanket
statements meant to incite and rile up people without properly being informed of
the situation. (To predict a response, I will answer: No, I am not very informed about
this whole debate, but neither am I making angry general statements in an open forum). ^^

Also to Ms. Weedy Herbst, I don't have the quote but I am not sticking up for anybody or any immoral practices, as I said to you, I'm talking about gerneral forum/life decorum
and etiquette and how a lot of problems and conflicts like this could be solved if some of the participants weren't so eager to inflame the situation and be so aggressive left, right and center. That's all. Don't look for any other hidden meanings, there aren't any.

*looks nervously over her shoulder as she hits Submit Reply*
A.P

Yes, poor wording, you happened to be the one I quoted, but the bottom comments were meant for a larger group, not really directed at you. I could have made that clearer.

My suggestion to resolve this -

Have the land listed immediatly in the classifieds, but add a feature that requires the seller to confirm the sale once its sold.

Then add a toggle box in preferences to turn this option off. If someone is smart enough to figure out how to turn off this safeguard, they are smart enough to use the rest of the controls.

Every online "social" application has a certain class of users who apply themselves to finding any and all loopholes that they can benefit from. These people prefer to live by the "letter of the law", not the intent. Fairness, human compassion, and justice are meaningless noise to them.

Such people cause great damage to online games. But Second Life takes this one step further: here such attitudes and actions can cause real world people real life monetary harm.

Frankly, I feel that anyone who buys obviously grossly underpriced merchandise (land in particular) in Second Life and hides behind "the system" is a griefer. "The system" will always have loopholes. That's why people are supposed to have morals, compassion, and a code of ethical behavior.

That said, the Second Life client should do more to protect us from our mistakes. Simple things like automatically removing the "for sale" flag when you join parcels would go a long way. Or maybe adding a default "ask for approval before selling" flag to land would help (I.E.: have it so that, by default, land won't sell regardless of the price until the owner clicks on an "approve this sale" dialog...much like the dialog you get when someone transfers items to you when you are offline).

Face it, though- the ethically and morally bankrupt predators will just find another loophole to take advantage of, regardless of the system. These people possess the same mindset that drives "household repair contractors" to prey on 80 year old grandmas and bill them tens of thousands of dollars for powerwashing their shingles. Here in Second Life, they get the benefit of hiding behind their avatar: they don't even have the guts to face people in real life.

I'm sick of defending myself against the crap Weedy Says on these forumns. She makes very broad assumptions and will assume and say anything if it makes a good forumn post for herself. She has no regaurd for who she effects when she "assumes" and lies. Her "facts" are generally half true, half "assumption" to work to her advantage. Look at the number of post's that she has done. It's obvious that it get's her off. The woman lives to bitch on the forumns. And I could really care less, She can bitch day in and out, do whatever it takes to make herself look good on these forumns, but when it involves me, I need to say something. Weedy has a problem with a few members in this group. She choose to get herself involved in situations that she had nothing to do. So she gets on here over and over saying things like this group needs banned. I'm in alot of groups. And I'm not going to leave a group, or take the weight on of a group just because you want to start a forumn war. I enjoy the group. I like asking "hey whats a good price for a plot like this" in group chat. I like being able to be civil with people I'm technically in competition in. Everyone in the group works for themself. We don't all nessasarily agree or disagree with the way the others may or may not handle the way they do business. But you make very very broad assumptions, and jump to the forumns without thinking or even having a full understanding of the situation, and it's just not right. I have always treated people with respect as long as they do the same to me. The members of this group have always treated me with the greatest respect. I'm not leaving the group, or any group because of situations they have with you or the way they do business. I have over 1500 people in my club group, so does that mean I agree with everything they do and is it ok to judge that group as a whole if you find issues with a few of them as well? Hell no! People I work with in world know that I'm fair. You can find several forumn posts that prove that to be true. So it pisses me off when I need to defend myself because of someone smearing my name and claiming they are doing so "for the good of sl residents". Stop assuming and generalizing everything just to make yourself look like a saint. The fact is you just like to argue. Your numerous forumn posts and numerous assumptions prove this to be true. You LOVE to argue and you have to get the last word in no matter who you effect in the process.

Okay, to everyone who keeps saying "your group" this and "your group" that.....

Just because you have issues with a few members of "the group" don't lay your personal vendettas against EVERYONE in the group. "The group" is a group of INDEPENDENT (look up the meaning of independent if you're not exactly sure what it means) buyers and sellers. NOBODY in the group has ANY say over how anyone else in the group buys and sells because it's nobody's business. I've never been involved in a land dispute, and I've never even thought about teleporting to a land listed for 1 L. And when I do happen to buy land which was not meant for sale I *always* give it back without a second thought. So, why are you blindly throwing your paint over me and at least a half dozen other people?

I'm really getting tired of hearing people nag on and on and on about how everyone in "the group" are thieves, etc, blah blah blah. Well, I for one, have a SPOTLESS transaction record. And when you acuse the group of being thieves.... you're accusing me of being a thief. And when you falsely accuse me of being a thief.... do you know what it makes you?

And now, in my opinion, I think the only reason Weedy even cares about "the group" is because these few people she seems to hate are "swooping" right along with Weedy and consistantly beating her to the "deals", again and again and again and.... well, you get the idea. Since she can't beat them, she attacks them. She lost her land scanner business because of rule changes, and now she's losing her swooping business because of competition. It's the final act of a desperate bid to kill the competition.

Not everyone in the group agrees with everyone else's methods of doing business, and often there are disagreements, but "the group" succeeds because, despite all of our differences, we can compete with each other on a friendly and civilized basis..... something some people should learn how to do.

this thread has been closed due to name-calling, inflammatory remarks, flaming, etc..

it has also been submitted to Linden Review.