Land Pricing Mistake

Ahh Dragon somehow I knew you were going to say that

Seriously, though, your nudges have been really helpful to me, when I first started I was shy and timid about buying and selling land in SL, now it is really fun for me, and the most valuable piece of advice you have given me has NOTHING to do with land....

I will repeat it here because it is valuable advice for everyone lately LOL:
"If someone is shooting, rez a prim and SIT"

i should add to that "and start shooting back"

Actually I would, because otherwise I'm stealing whether it is their mistake or not. And one would have to be a pretty big idiot not to check the charge slip before you sign

or read the sale confirmation box before you click accept

Not to get into an ethical/moral debate about the retail industry

...in my area it is the retailer who can be legally penalized via a fine for price scanner innacuracies (whether overcharges or undercharges), not the consumer. It is enforced and inspected by the department of weights and measures.

edited to add:

In other words, the responsibility of the seller to set the correct price, not the buyer.

It's great to see that the best written and logical responses in this thread ask for 2 things: "Be Educated" and "Be polite".

Whereas most of those who disagree and clamour about bugs, "swoopers" and theft tend to have the most illogical, venemous and downright rude posts (though this particular thread has been somewhat tame)...

While I appreciate that those like Demona are upset when they lose their land (even if they buy it back), mentioning group names and playing the blame game do little to enhance one's argument. Stand up, take the responsibility, and be assured that after having one hard-luck lesson, you are probably never going to make the same MISTAKE again. =) (Hey how do you think I learned my lesson?)

A bug is a bug only when it's unexpected, after that, it is plain old carelessness.

A.P

You set it for sale.

A warning window pops up before they list it which includes the price you listed. Missing the mistake twice? Pay more attention..we don't need more red tape.

Recently I sold land, as soon as it was listed, I had many buyers present. Wanting to get rid of it fast, I marked it just below cost. They could only mark it up a few hundred.

I was GLAD to have it listed immediately.

Simple fact: LL shouldn't dumb down things for people who just don't pay attention.

Good attitude! All of us make mistakes - and learn from them. I bought land in Dreamland! Now I know better - never repeat the same mistakes! Nice to know a few more people out there who do not blame others for their own mistakes...

Or if your on your own land, turn off other's scripts, as their bullets literally bounce off you yell, "LOL, where'd you get that gun, Yadni's?", THEN start shooting back. That's my favorite. Oh, and don't forget to return their 100's of bullets before turning scripts back on.

That happened to me yesterday as I was adjusting the price of one of my properties for sale, some clown flew over landing on an adjacent parcel, drops his gun on the ground and picks it up (giving me time to turn off scripts), starts shooting with no effect. It was hillarious.

and now with push restriction its even funnier

I agree the lack of a confirmation box here is a problem. I joined two parcels, one set for sale and the other not, once joined the combined plot was listed for sale at the price for the for sale lot. Lot sold before I could finish what I was doing.

LESSON LEARNED: before joining make sure all lots are not set for sale.

Cost of lesson: less than L$1000

My response: shrugged it off, learned my lesson and moved on

If you are in the US, a mistake is a valid reason to rule a contract unenforcable.

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Mistake

A contract can be canceled on the grounds of mutual mistake of fact. In order to cancel a contract for mistake, both parties must have made a mistake as to a basic assumption on which the contract was based, and the mistake must have a material effect upon the agreed exchange. The mistake must relate to facts existing at the time the contract is made. In addition, the party seeking to avoid the contract must not have contractually assumed the risk of mistake.

An example of mutual mistake often cited is that of a violinist (we'll call her Jane) who contracts to sell a violin to another violinist (we'll call him Yoshi). Jane and Yoshi both believe the violin is a Stradivarius. After purchasing the violin for $500,000, Yoshi takes it to be appraised for insurance purposes, and discovers that it is an imitation worth only $40,000. The contract is voidable by Yoshi.

What if only one of the parties is mistaken? In order to successfully claim the defense of mistake, a party must prove all the elements required for mutual mistake, and in addition must prove either that the other party knew or had reason to know of the mistake or that the resulting contract is unconscionable. Unilateral mistakes often result from mathematical errors. For example, a contractor may make a mathematical error in calculating a bid. If that bid is far below other bids, the other party has reason to know that there has been a mistake, and the contractor will not be held to the erroneous bid.


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So what you are doing wouldn't stand up in court. I hope you have good lawyers. One of these days you land swoopers will do it to to a large enough plot or to someone like Marc Wobegon and you'll have a lot of hassles on your hands.

LOL I'll make sure I have a good attorney on retainer just in case someone decides they have an enforceable contract against me for $1 Linden

Lawyers. I am not one. But perhaps you can clarify libel or slander for me. In quoting my point, you followed up with "What YOU are doing" ... "YOU have good lawyers"..
I am not in the land business, and was merely writing about politeness and education as being a good way to resolve all conflicts. If the "YOU" you are referring to is in fact not me, which I would assume MUST be the case as I have never been on the 'swooping' (what a misnomer) end of things, then I will assume you didn't read the post or are simply one of those quick-to-the-draw kinda sorta rude people. But, I'll be an optimist here, I accept your forthcoming apology ^^

That being said, once again, I am no lawyer, but a $1L piece of land does NOT imply a mistake (or reason to know of the mistake, or whatever it is). I have sold for $1L and it was not a mistake, had I turned around and claimed otherwise, it would be a lie. Furthermore, and I don't really know how accurate this is, but according to what i've HEARD about the TOS, Land and Lindens have no value.

So.... drop the YOU. Read the thread from the beginning, and be nice. Or, try. Thanks ^^

A.P

Nice excuse for lack of ethics. Let me transalate what the land swooper really says:

Roses are red, violets are blue.
You set your land for a dollar, fuck you.

your sure about this?

well the TOS says the L$ has no value, and that virtual land holds no value. In contract law a value must be established to even HAVE a valid contract. Since both items in the discussion legally hold NO value.... no contract can exist.... PERIOD.

Also... SL doesn't fall under US law anyway... the only "law" in SL is the TOS plain and simple

Talk your YOUR lawyer, friend. Ask him if what I just said is true.

Also, if you actually tried to file a lawsuit, and the judge asks what the WORTH is, and you say "well judge, legally its not worth a damn thing" the judge laughes are you hysterically, and bids you farewell.

In real world terms, land is physical, money is conceptual. Its all agreed upon. In SL, everythings digital, and since LL doesnt sell money to the end user directly its based on a user-to-user system (like ebay) it holds no REAL TANGIBLE worth. You may see worth in your mind, but legally it cannot be proven.

Your not buying land, or currency in SL. Get your mind out of real life. In SL, when you buy land or use lindex.... your buying a digital product... nothing more, nothing less. When you realize that, perhaps you can come back to the forum in this thread and speak intelligently as to the subject.

Even if it were a legal issue in the courts, this part would not hold water since land IS often sold on purpose for just $1 Linden. It happens a lot in Second Life, I've seen it happen several times and I havent even been buying/selling for very long.


Boy...all this talk is making me hungry for a nice $1 L parcel of land.

Yeah this lovely group Wrestling in particular was the person (last name left out to protect the A-HOLES) just now swooped in and took 3500sqm I was resizing and made the huge mistake of not taking off for sale first.

Meanwhile with all the condesending talk, your partner just stole 3520 in Melanthia at 1.1, while the owner pleaded for the land to be returned, he reset it at $18,300.

No excuse for greed, other than greed.

I saw this happen Glory, it's really sad that when you appeal to this asshat, that he rezzed a sign and marked it up 500%.

LL really needs to fix this issue. Decent residents and respectable business people are being over-run by these scammers.

Yes this guy swoops in as I am resizing perhaps 5 seconds had passed. I tried to explain to him it was a big mistake I was just resizing the lot. He says thanks reprices it drops a prim ad and takes off.

Very preditory and well ya it's my own damn fault but this is why not only SL but the world in general is going to hell... people like this.

Obviously not a nice thing to have happen, but this is MY point:



*shivers*

A little bit less of that. especially on a form read by all...
*sighs*

A.P

Asshat is the nicest term I can use within the rules to describe these scoundrels.

LL has posted a few guides that everyone who owns land should read. The one I find the most useful is the guide titled How do I use the About Land menu? (Found at the below URL)

http://secondlife.com/knowledgebase/article.php?id=144

Swooping is not an official Linden term and does not appear in the SL Knowledge database.

http://secondlife.com/knowledgebase/search.php?query=swoop&submit=Go

You Hulka are the worst type of scum that exists you come in swoop down and when I try to explain to you it's a mistake you say thanks reprice it drop a sales prim and take off.. I was polite untill you did this and even after the worst I called you was a jerk but to tell the truth you ARE an ASsHAT.

If you had any scruples or honesty at all you would have said oh sorry sold it back and warned me of this type of thing.

Though I know it is my own fault for not taking it off sale first you are SCUM for taking advantage of it and basically laughing in my face.