Wow LL removed the finacial crutch!

First of all, nothing you are saying is new.

Second, you've posted that long-ass thing for folks to scroll through in like 5 different threads.

Third, the rest of your posts are just plain old stupid. "Weakminded." What the hell is that? Can't YOU think of anything more creative to say?

Why are you so angry anyway?. bad first life?

Nope, I have a great first life You're just spamming the forums is all, and it's pretty annoying.

Why don't you go away

OH MY GOD Nexus... We ~might~ actually have a chance of 'random wackiness' happening again! Cheers!

Yes, a step in the right direction.

Prokofy, I'm sorry for always having an different view than you on the forums. After your posts in this thread, I realize you honestly just have no clue about SL.. past or present.. nor do you really care to know the people in it.. past, present, OR future.. So I'm sorry for being so hard on you. I didn't realize you were really so clueless.

To summarize, blah blah fucking blah. Your little song and dance was tired the first 25,000 times you posted a variation on the same theme.

Tell it like it is sister!

And Prokofy, for god's sake learn to spell FETID!

"Feted" is actually a word that means "an elaborate party." So thanks for the compliments, lol. The elaborately partying inner core appreciates it

Pendari, I've been getting to know people for months, and I have read a lot of blogs and histories of SL and listened to ppl talk so I have gathered an impression. I'm sorry if you feel it is distorted or unfair, but it's like saying the emperor has no clothes to point out that when SL gets rid of its socialistic system, they sure as hell didn't dump their scriptocrats. It's also a sign of that general sort of squeamishness you find on the left (in California? among game companies?) about "capitalism" or "commercialism". Being a mass entertainment company, they don't actually want to face the culture of what that would mean -- being like Disney or something. So every once in a while they have a spasm and throw everybody out of the pool and try to go back to being like a hippie commune or a wikki or Bersekeley FSM or something LOL. It's just too hilarious. They had all these customers perfectly happy to hang out at laggy clubs on their um...rotating....servers and some event organizer customers who essentially were the outsourced help taking care of the entertainment management problem for the Lindens but then it was "everybody out of the pool" and let's all get back to studying with mentors.

As Lenin said, "Study, study, study."

Chip, you can "blah-blah" me all you want, but the style here is just one of sarcastic hyperbole to make a point. I don't take it literally that there are oligarchs or whatever, this is just high arch humour and I'm sorry if it is lost on you.




For God's sake, Chip, learn to identify high arch humour. Um, I didn't *mean* "fetid" which means "rotting, putrid" but ever since Ingrid and others began to think it was "fetid" I can only say...perhaps they have a guilty conscience LOL? I mean "feted" so I will go on spelling it "feted" LOL.

An "feted" actually doesn't mean "an elaborate party". "Fete" is the French word meaning "elaborate party" although in France it's probably just a plain old party lol. "Feted" is taking the word and making it into a verb. So the word "feted" means a verb in the past tense serving as an adjective -- they are celebrated, cossetted, coddled, partied up, whatever.

Yes, it's an exaggeration, but it makes people think. That's the idea.

Pendari, I've been getting to know people for months, and I have read a lot of blogs and histories of SL and listened to ppl talk so I have gathered an impression. I'm sorry if you feel it is distorted or unfair, but it's like saying the emperor has no clothes to point out that when SL gets rid of its socialistic system, they sure as hell didn't dump their scriptocrats. It's also a sign of that general sort of squeamishness you find on the left (in California? among game companies?) about "capitalism" or "commercialism". Being a mass entertainment company, they don't actually want to face the culture of what that would mean -- being like Disney or something. So every once in a while they have a spasm and throw everybody out of the pool and try to go back to being like a hippie commune or a wikki or Bersekeley FSM or something LOL. It's just too hilarious. They had all these customers perfectly happy to hang out at laggy clubs on their um...rotating....servers and some event organizer customers who essentially were the outsourced help taking care of the entertainment management problem for the Lindens but then it was "everybody out of the pool" and let's all get back to studying with mentors.

As Lenin said, "Study, study, study."

Chip, you can "blah-blah" me all you want, but the style here is just one of sarcastic hyperbole to make a point. I don't take it literally that there are oligarchs or whatever, this is just high arch humour and I'm sorry if it is lost on you.




For God's sake, Chip, learn to identify high arch humour. Um, I didn't *mean* "fetid" which means "rotting, putrid" but ever since Ingrid and others began to think it was "fetid" I can only say...perhaps they have a guilty conscience LOL? I mean "feted" so I will go on spelling it "feted" LOL.

An "feted" actually doesn't mean "an elaborate party". "Fete" is the French word meaning "elaborate party" although in France it's probably just a plain old party lol. "Feted" is taking the word and making it into a verb. So the word "feted" means a verb in the past tense serving as an adjective -- they are celebrated, cossetted, coddled, partied up, whatever.

Yes, it's an exaggeration, but it makes people think. That's the idea.

I stand humbly corrected (but suspicious that you just checked dictionary.com and changed your story) lol. Kidding. You're still full of shit.

except for dwell.

and fun.

seems like there's a swath of SL that thinks no one bothers to log in unless they're guaranteed to be launched into a lake full of money. there are plenty of motivations other than money and money hasn't been removed as a motivation for events anyway. it's just set up a lil bit different now.

all these changes are pretty dang minor really. prolly just going to result in:
1. not having 20 wet t-shirt contests per day anymore.
2. the bonus you get on top of your stipend (which most people say is tiny and insignificant right now) will get a lil bit tinier and insignificanter. whoop.
3. value of the L$ goes up so prices go down so people have as much or more buying power as before.

so less spam and less free money that you weren't even entitled to in the first place. verily the world endeth.

from what little i know about the 1.2 changes this stuff sounds like 1% as major as that was. were people swallowing their tongues and spontaneously combusting over 1.2 or is this new? seems like the forums have gotten rantier even since i joined in september.

insert smilies where necessary.

SL life was much sweeter before 1.2.

How do you figure this?

If it costs more US$ for the same L$, doesn't that mean your purchasing power goes down?

Hope springs eternal

nexus, i agree 100%

mentors, instructors, and live helpers do the greatest service to SL. the facilitate growth. the learning curve in SL is high and helping new players to understand the interface quickly is important to keep their attention long enough for them to see whether SL is truely for them.

no offense intended prokofy, but your contention on these in LL supported programs is either short sighted or uninformed.

Actually the biggest problem I see is that there will be many more of the "prettiest, sexiest, coolest ect.. type events where the "winners" are all friends of the organizers.
Any fairness to these contests has just now evaporated. And there wasn't much to begin with.
I like the idea of educational events, but who decides what is and what isn't educational?
No one's answered that one satisfactorally yet...

Dwell is nothing. It barely makes up for the trouble of organizing a well thought out event. It's a red herring at best...

nexus, i agree 100%

mentors, instructors, and live helpers do the greatest service to SL. they facilitate growth. the learning curve in SL is high and helping new players to understand the interface quickly is important to keep their attention long enough for them to see whether SL is truely for them.

no offense intended prokofy, but your contention on these LL supported programs is either short sighted or uninformed.

Yeah, I know, I know, I can never say the emperor has no clothes if I'm not a seamstress. And yeah, I must be short-sighted because I don't see the clothes sometimes. But how come I have to learn embroidery to play a game?

Leave live helpers out of this discussion, the Lindens aren't paying them to give Live Help (at least that's the understanding) and they do a great job although the other night when I told a guy that I had filed 3 bug reports on a persistent problem and got no action even though it was a serious obstacle, he said "Why? That's not true" and hung up on me LOL. LH ppl are not paid to have events.

That leaves mentors and instructors. Yes, I know we are supposed to genuflect here to these gate-keepers who contain the keys to levelling up through SL and beating the bosses.

But...they are a business like any other business. Why don't they charge for their services like others and get paid instead of having the Lindens subsidize them? I'd be happy to pay them for tutorials.

And...now's the time to ask about this steep learning curve. Geez, you got that one right. When is it ever going to flatten out? When I think of all these balky tools with their math that unravels on and your sim bouncing around struggling to stay in the very CAD-like picture or thing he's trying to edit, I have to say it all reminds me of the way transferring files used to be on the primitive Internet. Remember those days when you had to walk through like 20 steps to send a file with a little note using Hayes Smartcom (before there was a WWW)? Remember how hard it used to be to put attachments into e-mail? Well, 20 years later, 10 years later, we all take it for granted that you just press on a little envelope icon and "send" and click on a picture.

Or go back 125 years to the first automobiles where the people who drove them also were their mechanics and used to jump out in front and crank up the engine with a big crowbar and people used to sit in the back seatl wrapped up in blankets. Today, we take it for granted that you turn the key and go without knowing the theory of internal combustion and you press "heat". All those decades of tekkie-dom have become hidden under the hood.

What happens in SL is that we must be in the phase where the tekkie stuff is celebrated -- er, feted is the word one could use -- and all the technical underpinnings are showing because it's fun for tekkies to look under the hood. So tekkies are giving classes on how you can look under the hood and how you can learn how internal combustion works and crank the engine with your long crowbar.

But a lot of people in a game with a million people will just want to press "send" or turn the ignition key without having to learn LSL or plot out their walls on an XYZ grid. And it looks to me that in the period when those type of players were increasing and their starter fluid gained from rating parties in clubs was greasing their wheels, they were cut off, but the people teaching about drive shafters continued to be subsidized.

Yeah, I know, I know, I can never say the emperor has no clothes if I'm not a seamstress. And yeah, I must be short-sighted because I don't see the clothes sometimes. But how come I have to learn embroidery to play a game?

Leave live helpers out of this discussion, the Lindens aren't paying them to give Live Help (at least that's the understanding) and they do a great job although the other night when I told a guy that I had filed 3 bug reports on a persistent problem and got no action even though it was a serious obstacle, he said "Why? That's not true" and hung up on me LOL. LH ppl are not paid to have events.

That leaves mentors and instructors. Yes, I know we are supposed to genuflect here to these gate-keepers who contain the keys to levelling up through SL and beating the bosses.

But...they are a business like any other business. Why don't they charge for their services like others and get paid instead of having the Lindens subsidize them? I'd be happy to pay them for tutorials.

And...now's the time to ask about this steep learning curve. Geez, you got that one right. When is it ever going to flatten out? When I think of all these balky tools with their math that unravels on and your sim bouncing around struggling to stay in the very CAD-like picture or thing he's trying to edit, I have to say it all reminds me of the way transferring files used to be on the primitive Internet. Remember those days when you had to walk through like 20 steps to send a file with a little note using Hayes Smartcom (before there was a WWW)? Remember how hard it used to be to put attachments into e-mail? Well, 20 years later, 10 years later, we all take it for granted that you just press on a little envelope icon and "send" and click on a picture.

Or go back 125 years to the first automobiles where the people who drove them also were their mechanics and used to jump out in front and crank up the engine with a big crowbar and people used to sit in the back seatl wrapped up in blankets. Today, we take it for granted that you turn the key and go without knowing the theory of internal combustion and you press "heat". All those decades of tekkie-dom have become hidden under the hood.

What happens in SL is that we must be in the phase where the tekkie stuff is celebrated -- er, feted is the word one could use -- and all the technical underpinnings are showing because it's fun for tekkies to look under the hood. So tekkies are giving classes on how you can look under the hood and how you can learn how internal combustion works and crank the engine with your long crowbar.

But a lot of people in a game with a million people will just want to press "send" or turn the ignition key without having to learn LSL or plot out their walls on an XYZ grid. And it looks to me that in the period when those type of players were increasing and their starter fluid gained from rating parties in clubs was greasing their wheels, they were cut off, but the people teaching about drive shafters continued to be subsidized.

Nexus... this is just... yeah, it is a downgrade instead of a kick, but we have to teach these people how to walk.
Those who are panicing: Chicken Littles... all of you.
Reason to panic: we where, at one point, 2 months from a market crash... maybe 3 at the most.
Market crashes are bad, m'kay.

prok,

it's this simple - mentors and instructors are fulfilling a role in SL that is unique. they help LL by providing micro level support to the stream of new players, and they help the player community by providing new voices, new friends, new creators, new consumers.

you don't need to be a beta player to be a mentor, instructor, or live helper. a player as young as fall 2004 could qualify.

you can use an endless amount rhetoric against these positions but what remains is that these players are incredibly valuable for the growth of SL. they are paid something in the order of 500 L$ to teach a class. that is 2$ US for an hour of instructing a dozen new players on the basics of SL. imagine the cost of tiers and premium accounts if LL staff was being paid 20$/hour to do this?

at 500 L$/ hr, no one can argue these players are doing what they do for the cash payoff. in my opinion they are demonstrating the unquestionable commitment and passion for SL and it's success. regardless of their inworld age, they deserve the respect of all players. removing the pitance of a 500 L$ gift is amounts to disrespecting their efforts.

do not argue with me on this. i am 100% right. you are 100% wrong. mentors and instructors have nothing to do with your crusade against the alleged fetid hedonistic inner core.

Please note: the next time I hear an oldbie mention the changes in 1.2 I will hunt you down. Haven't yet decided what to do with you when I find you. I will probably get my dog Rocky to attack you - his push is vicious lol.

Alexa