Wow LL removed the finacial crutch!

It's about damn time! Anyone who has an economic bone in their body knows that this will GREATLY help SecondLife in the medium to long run. You might see a slump in the short term, but this will help people get off their lazy asses and actually host events that are worth going to!

This change can only strengthen our community, it will help us drive to be more creative and actually plan good events, that are worth going to!

Your thoughts are appreciated!

P.S. Hells if anything this will help lessen the clutter on the event board! A natural filter!

Nexus, I love you.

So true

Actually Nexus they only down graded it to a brace not a crutch. And its still not gone so its still there just not as apparent anymore.

Maybe after a year they should cut the crutch. Give us the same opportunities you had over the past couple years????

I have to agree that people were overreacting greatly.

Oh, im sorry about those Sexy AV Contests I won then, damn; my Skin Designer's Product isn't worth while nor his Talent appreciated, and those Sexy Clothes I wear; didn't help either whoever designed those Chaps. I guess they didn't really contribute after all. I'll have to stop buying them.

I thought you quit?

Oh, I forgot about Blings Jewelers they were Flashy, hmm..that hairpiece; damn! I wasted my money!

FYI PPL Remember some posters in these forums want SL run only as a business so they can make money. Take their opinions with a grain of salt if you play SL as a form of entertainment. DAMN ITS TOO BAD LL DOESN'T SAY THAT EVERY NOW AND THEN

Catherine -

There are far easier and more-established, more profitable ways to run a business. LL chose this product, and this method of doing business.

Do they want profits? Of course! They have bills and salaries and investors to pay off. Fact of life!

But lets not lump them in with big corporations and say that their only Idol is the almighty dollar - because if it is they're working WAY TOO HARD and in a very risky market, to earn it!

Bottom line: They've spent a lot of time and money to make SL. They want to make money, but they also want to see the fruits of their labor - which is a stable and sustainable creative online realm!

They're not going to go out and deliberately shoot themselves in the foot, or try to get us all to leave, or screw themselves out of customers. That's just ludicrous for them to do.

They're trying to make SL sustainable, and make enough money to pay their bills & keep the investors happy. And if this is what it takes to let me keep playing SL for another few years, then so be it! I'd LIKE a Million L$, a large plot of land, and a bunch of policy changes in SL for myself - but hell, I want those things in real-life as well; but they're not gonna happen - and I realize that *I* am not more important than any other user, or the well-being of LL / SL.

Take care,

--Noel "HB" Wade
(Tread Whiplash)

Nexus,

There will be no more events. With no support from Lindens, the host have no incentive to put on events.

Are you calling my efforts to help newbies earn more money, by rating them positivly, so that they can buy my things, and oh yes, so they can have that all important first time visit... Being Lazy???

The change will not strengthen the community. It will only help the vocal minority.

Magnum, I think you may be wrong here.

Remember back in 1.1 and 1.2, when you started, there would be events help by social people just for the sake of... having an event? No cash was involved at all. Remember Open Chat and No-Host Chat? Trivia events can still he held easily and paid for by dwell, plus the hosting monies.

I think what LL here is eliminating the loophole allowing people to host nonsense events for cash. Don't forget, dwell is still around - people are still going to use the events board for spamming their clubs. Maybe more so in the short term. But in the long run, I believe this will encourage people who have good, creative ideas for events... or events they really want to run... to do so. People just in it for a buck... don't let the door hit ya on the way out!

-Flip

Nexus is a God!!!

Silence Infidel... You cannot question a great mind. Bow to your master, the (L$).

No.. He just scripts like one!

Are you actually saying people only host events to get L$250 from the Lindens? I guess that explains why so many events are so thoughtless and lame. Put in as little time, effort and thought as possible so you can collect your money. Nice.

Jana, baby, when I was your age, we werent even allowed to have more than 3500 lindens on us, and every time you rezzed an object you had to pay 10 per prim, not to mention they charged you weekly taxes just for having your objects out, and then also taxes on land and stuff... AND WE LIKED IT!
Magnum, removing the money incentive will remove the people who were spamming the events board solely for the purpose of making a quick buck.
This in turn will let other people who are not out to make a quick buck schedule interesting and creative events, or classes, that will not get lost in the clutter.

I have to tell you... i had a good laugh at all this posts from people saying they will leave... saying they will now lower their tier... they are foolish and weak.

Go look at GOM... your lindens are now worth more... Linden lab bought about 2.5 million lindens out of gom yesterday.

Don’t you see it?... you are worried because you will get half or your stipend BONUS. But who cares if now your lindens are worth a lot more than they were before...

I sell Lindens at GOM. and in the past days i was really concerned about the linden dropping so quickly... eventually. 1000 lindens would be equal to 3 dollars... 2 dollars... 1 dollar....

So according to this crowd, Linden Lab was supposed to wait and see how the value of the linden dropped?...

Linden lab acted for the good of all of us… maybe you don’t see it now, but after a while you will understand the real purpose of this.

Let’s see the following scenario… LL does nothing… the L$ keeps dropping until virtually anyone is rich… what do you have?... you will have unmotivated club owners… unmotivated builders and scripters…

I know most of the people aren’t builders or scripters… or maybe they don’t have time to run a club… but trust me… clubs in second life are MONEY… clubs mean real money for the owners… and the tiny 1000 linden prices they offer on their events its just the tip of the iceberg… there are casinos inside the clubs, hundreds of vendors that pay weekly rents, not to mention escorts that are a great business… only those weak minded will stop hosting events because they wont get support from linden lab… the intelligent ones will keep hosting them… why? Because the real money is not in the prices… is in the people coming to your club, raising your dwell, buying from your vendors, playing your casino games, hiring your escorts… and then those people will bring more people… rinse… and repeat.

Believe it or not SL is about real money… SL is a business, just like any other MMORPG… it is a business for those who own the game and furthermore the ability so sell your lindens makes it a business for the players as well… I got a good laugh a few minutes ago when Artillo Fredericks said “BREATHE PEOPLE!!! Your fake VR world money is going nowhere LOL”…. That was so funny…

You see… the thing is that this is no longer fake money we are talking about… say that to me… I was able to purchase myself a REAL LIFE Nikon D70 Digital SLR Camera with my “fake money”.

SL is a business and it should be run as such. If its not… then forget about the fun of clubbing and building the place will just disappear. LL needs to make money out of it… and they are offering us the chance to make money as well…

Not everybody knows a computer language… not everybody is gifted enough to make amazing designs in Photoshop or perfect animations is poser… not everyone has the vision, knowledge and courage to start an escrow service like GOM and turn “fake money tradings” into real money… look they have traded over $0.7 million dollars worth of $L currency, and they charge something closer to 3%... so you do the math.

I strongly believe Linden lab is doing the right thing by controlling the sinks and sources… and by controlling the money flow… and as any economist knows, there are plenty of ways of doing so.

In any case… the market must be controlled if you want the economy to survive.

You can look at this policy change, think and make profit out of it… or you can just leave… and let others make money…

Anshe Chung just bought the pyramid mall in second life… see? She has vision… she knows how to take advantage of the fear of the crowd who knows nothing about the real thing.

I joined SL for the fun of a MMORPG that would give me freedom I had nowhere else… soon… I realized I could create stuff… and sell… it… there I was… with a bunch of lindens… then… I realized I could sell those in order to make real USD. So there I was… having fun… metting new people… making creative things… and making real money…

This is a good thing people… don’t panic… the linden is going up. And here is a real example for you… since I started warring about the linden dropping vs the dollar… I raised the prices at my vendors… now the linden is gaining strength… I dropped my prices in-world….

I'm all for removing socialism and giving incentive to make better events and get rid of the glut of subsidized sexay avatar events.

HOWEVER

1) they didn't REALLY remove socialism because the feted inner elite are grandfathered (why are we not surprised?) so that mentors and instructors can still collect pogey for their events. Well geez, Prokofy, you say, they worked hard to learn what they learned and what do YOU know and they sure as hell SHOULD get subsidized given that they are older and wiser than you. Um...ok. It's still socialism though, and that usually winds up being pernicious. Why? Because the feted and cossetted lose their edge eventually, but subsidized as they are, no one will ever know LOL or be able to make them be more competitive.

2) Why should you never remove socialism too fast from a system? (Ask the Soviets). Because when you move socialism REALLY fast, like in a day LOL, oligarchs and mafias take over. So now the really, really wealthy can still afford the loss of prize money or payment for DJs or whatever to put on events in their clubs and malls, etc. so they still stay on top.

3) The inner feted elite and the oligarchs have always benefited from the system and will go on benefiting, but who loses? New, creative types who tried to break into the event business who aren't wealthy and not mentor-statused. Ergo, Linden has once again punished its new customers and growing edge. Those newer creative types can now try to stand on their heads to get dwell, let's say (but we all know from Lisse and Schwanson and others that dwell is a suckers' game). They can also hope that events are loss-leaders, luring people to builds or vendors or whatever where maybe people will buy and they might break even. Would this be YOU, Prokofy? you say, convinced that I'm bleating and whining because I've been targeted as a class with these changes? No, because I stopped doing events awhile ago due to their expense and the slow time it took to get paid by Lindens, so now I plan on charging admission, I guess, or just doing events for fun.

Ok, you REALLY need to quit posting this EVERYWHERE.

dont you anything more creative to say? mayeb you coudl read my post and write a comment about it, instead of complaining of its size... maybe its to complex for you.. oh yes...

I'm all for removing socialism and giving incentive to make better events and get rid of the glut of subsidized sexay avatar events.

HOWEVER

1) they didn't REALLY remove socialism because the feted inner elite are grandfathered (why are we not surprised?) so that mentors and instructors can still collect pogey for their events. Well geez, Prokofy, you say, they worked hard to learn what they learned and what do YOU know and they sure as hell SHOULD get subsidized given that they are older and wiser than you. Um...ok. It's still socialism though, and that usually winds up being pernicious. Why? Because the feted and cossetted lose their edge eventually, but subsidized as they are, no one will ever know LOL or be able to make them be more competitive.

2) Why should you never remove socialism too fast from a system? (Ask the Soviets). Because when you move socialism REALLY fast, like in a day LOL, oligarchs and mafias take over. So now the really, really wealthy can still afford the loss of prize money or payment for DJs or whatever to put on events in their clubs and malls, etc. so they still stay on top.

3) The inner feted elite and the oligarchs have always benefited from the system and will go on benefiting, but who loses? New, creative types who tried to break into the event business who aren't wealthy and not mentor-statused. Ergo, Linden has once again punished its new customers and growing edge. Those newer creative types can now try to stand on their heads to get dwell, let's say (but we all know from Lisse and Schwanson and others that dwell is a suckers' game). They can also hope that events are loss-leaders, luring people to builds or vendors or whatever where maybe people will buy and they might break even. Would this be YOU, Prokofy? you say, convinced that I'm bleating and whining because I've been targeted as a class with these changes? No, because I stopped doing events awhile ago due to their expense and the slow time it took to get paid by Lindens, so now I plan on charging admission, I guess, or just doing events for fun.
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I agree, but you do need a lot of start-up capital for clubs, like for the dance machines, money balls, prizes, etc.

Making a quick buck, yes LOTS, LOADS of people do this!

I have taught classes without being payed (or expected for that matter). I have held my lottery as an event and I never bothered asking for the 250 or 500 (what it was before). I found it was too much of a pain. I have held contest where we give out 1000L$ (trivia) and never asked the lindens for money.

What i'm hoping will happen now is that the people that puts tones of effort to make grand events will be rewarded by 1) the dwell 2) the money they collect.

I've always wanted to see the event board with only a couple events 20 good ones instead of 50 ~100 BS ones! With LL implementing this new policy I belive it's one step closer to clear the event board and make way for better quality events!



not to mention always take CCs posts with a grain of salt!