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Keeping your premium stipend

Do you want to keep your Stipend!

YES
70 (66.7%)

YES
35 (33.3%)

Total votes: 105
CJ Christensen
Secondlife chilled GURU
Join date: 23 Dec 2005
Posts: 122
05-26-2006 03:49
SAve the economy save your stipend!

If your fed up of people with vested interests demanding we give up our premium account stipend and putting pressure on users with intimidation about the status of the Linden economy.

This is your chance to put your foot down and say NO

Stop your bullshit!!

The linden's have said they expext the economy to strengthen ( go read the town hall transcript )

Enough with your bag 'o shite theories.

There is no problem.

KEEP THE STIPEND !!

KEEP OR SELL YOUR LINDENS WHEN YOU WANT TOO.
Lewis Nerd
Nerd by name and nature!
Join date: 9 Oct 2005
Posts: 3,431
05-26-2006 03:58
Amen.

The common people - and the vast majority of SL users - are speaking out and striking back at last.

It's time for our voice to be heard against those with only their own interests at heart.

Lewis
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Kazanture Aleixandre
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Join date: 5 Oct 2005
Posts: 524
05-26-2006 04:06
You can start a poll at USA:

"should goverment pay US residents 1000usd / month for free."

And you will collect millions of votes for sure.

But it wont happen.

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You can start a poll:

"should mercedes give away free cars to all people?"

And you will collect millions of votes for sure.

But it wont happen.

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You can start a poll:

"should IBM give away free computers to all people?"

And you will collect millions of votes for sure.

But it wont happen.

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You can start a poll:

"should Microsoft give away free sql servers to all people?"

And you will collect millions of votes for sure.

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I can give millions of more examples, you cant change somethings while voting. No matter how many people say "the earth's shape is cube." .
Usagi Musashi
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Join date: 24 Oct 2004
Posts: 6,083
05-26-2006 04:15
why not increase weekly pay for what we pay per month? around 1000L...... WHy not us that pays for this game should also get the equal value.
Lewis Nerd
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Join date: 9 Oct 2005
Posts: 3,431
05-26-2006 04:19
From: Kazanture Aleixandre
I can give millions of more examples, you cant change somethings while voting. No matter how many people say "the earth's shape is cube." .


Thing is, it's all down to choice. Of course I'd like a free Mercedes... but Mercedes don't have to give me one, and if they won't, I'll go and buy a cheaper car and they've lost my potential business.

Why do you think so many companies give out free samples? It's because they hope you'll like their product, and buy it instead of the rival brand.

Same with LL. People will simply take their business elsewhere, and reduced player base plus reduced income means SL is less viable, and that hits Linden Labs right where it hurts the most - in the bank.

It seems incomprehensible to me that a loose collection of individuals of all walks of life from all around the world can see the value of a measly L$50 a week to a basic account - yet supposedly industry leaders and experts, many of whom no doubt have university degrees by the handful, cannot grasp this very simple concept.

Lewis
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CJ Christensen
Secondlife chilled GURU
Join date: 23 Dec 2005
Posts: 122
05-30-2006 08:07
i see the anti stipend people are posting like lunatics.
Bloop Cork
This space for sale.
Join date: 27 Apr 2006
Posts: 277
05-30-2006 08:17
From: CJ Christensen
i see the anti stipend people are posting like lunatics.

I think we're all lunatics!

Thanks for the Poll, CJ. It truly made me smile!

By the way, you do realize that this proverbial coin we're all flipping has more than two sides? It's not black or white. It's not all or none. Many of us are calling for a limit to stipends, not an end to them.
Kevin Kuhr
Registered User
Join date: 29 May 2005
Posts: 29
05-30-2006 08:38
From: Kazanture Aleixandre
You can start a poll at USA:

"should goverment pay US residents 1000usd / month for free."

And you will collect millions of votes for sure.

But it wont happen.

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You can start a poll:

"should mercedes give away free cars to all people?"

And you will collect millions of votes for sure.

But it wont happen.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You can start a poll:

"should IBM give away free computers to all people?"

And you will collect millions of votes for sure.

But it wont happen.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You can start a poll:

"should Microsoft give away free sql servers to all people?"

And you will collect millions of votes for sure.

But it wont happen.

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I can give millions of more examples, you cant change somethings while voting. No matter how many people say "the earth's shape is cube." .


THe USA is a game? Go fig. Same applies to the other arguments.
Rasah Tigereye
"Buckaneer American"
Join date: 30 Nov 2003
Posts: 783
05-30-2006 08:46
From: Kevin Kuhr
THe USA is a game? Go fig. Same applies to the other arguments.



According to Bush and Rumsfield it is. I think they're calling it "Risk"
Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
05-30-2006 13:39
From: Rasah Tigereye
According to Bush and Rumsfield it is. I think they're calling it "Risk"


Rumsfield calls it Risk, Bush calls it Hungry Hungry Hippos.
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Rasah Tigereye
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Join date: 30 Nov 2003
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05-30-2006 13:46
From: Jonas Pierterson
Rumsfield calls it Risk, Bush calls it Hungry Hungry Hippos.


LOL! That's awesome! Thanks for that :D
Wilhelm Neumann
Runs with Crayons
Join date: 20 Apr 2006
Posts: 2,204
05-30-2006 14:04
From: Lewis Nerd
Thing is, it's all down to choice. Of course I'd like a free Mercedes... but Mercedes don't have to give me one, and if they won't, I'll go and buy a cheaper car and they've lost my potential business.

Why do you think so many companies give out free samples? It's because they hope you'll like their product, and buy it instead of the rival brand.

Same with LL. People will simply take their business elsewhere, and reduced player base plus reduced income means SL is less viable, and that hits Linden Labs right where it hurts the most - in the bank.

It seems incomprehensible to me that a loose collection of individuals of all walks of life from all around the world can see the value of a measly L$50 a week to a basic account - yet supposedly industry leaders and experts, many of whom no doubt have university degrees by the handful, cannot grasp this very simple concept.

Lewis


LoL a pile of degrees does not necessarily mean your intelligent or lack ignorance i watched a guy with an electronics engineering degree among other things not turn off electicity while wiring a plug needless to say i found out when i ran down to the basement as he fell off the chair due to the bolt of electricity that threw him onto the floor

and what's worse he got back on the chair to try again with the electricity on


?????

i had to go and tell him to turn it off ... i was 12 years old at the time...
Rasah Tigereye
"Buckaneer American"
Join date: 30 Nov 2003
Posts: 783
05-30-2006 14:09
From: Wilhelm Neumann
LoL a pile of degrees does not necessarily mean your intelligent or lack ignorance i watched a guy with an electronics engineering degree among other things not turn off electicity while wiring a plug needless to say i found out when i ran down to the basement as he fell off the chair due to the bolt of electricity that threw him onto the floor

and what's worse he got back on the chair to try again with the electricity on


?????

i had to go and tell him to turn it off ... i was 12 years old at the time...



Our president has a degree, too...
Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
05-30-2006 14:12
From: Rasah Tigereye
Our president has a degree, too...


Our presidents dad couldn't buy him greades higher than a C. Considering hes in oil, owned the texas rangers, is a former governor and president..not being to buy his son a B record says something about the boy. Not to mention how Bush skipped out on his military duty and lies like a redneck skank on friday night..
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Svar Beckersted
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Join date: 14 Apr 2006
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05-30-2006 14:50
From: Jonas Pierterson
Our presidents dad couldn't buy him greades higher than a C. Considering hes in oil, owned the texas rangers, is a former governor and president..not being to buy his son a B record says something about the boy. Not to mention how Bush skipped out on his military duty and lies like a redneck skank on friday night..


Shame on you for defaming rednecks.
Jonas Pierterson
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Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
05-30-2006 15:47
From: Svar Beckersted
Shame on you for defaming rednecks.


My family's got rednecks. I speak only the truth..my cousins next door neighbour was quite the skank, admitting to sleeping with the entire neighbourhood. And not just one person a night.
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Svar Beckersted
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05-30-2006 15:50
From: Jonas Pierterson
My family's got rednecks. I speak only the truth..my cousins next door neighbour was quite the skank, admitting to sleeping with the entire neighbourhood. And not just one person a night.



Ok you pass the test, I'm sorry for doubting your authenticity.
Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
05-30-2006 16:17
I already give my stipend away to new users through 3 money trees each week (so actually I give away my stipend three times over). If they removed the stipend, I would still do the same. It just amazes me that people won't hestitate to spend $20 on going out to a movie, or buying a DVD or whatever other form of entertainment, but even spending $10 per month on SL seems so outrageous. If SL is not compelling enough to spend even that amount of money, then why are you even here?
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Wilhelm Neumann
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Join date: 20 Apr 2006
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05-30-2006 16:23
From: Cristiano Midnight
I already give my stipend away to new users through 3 money trees each week (so actually I give away my stipend three times over). If they removed the stipend, I would still do the same. It just amazes me that people won't hestitate to spend $20 on going out to a movie, or buying a DVD or whatever other form of entertainment, but even spending $10 per month on SL seems so outrageous. If SL is not compelling enough to spend even that amount of money, then why are you even here?


SL is my entire entertainment budget. I think its many people's entertainment that is the point its a game and its a heck of a lot better then tv or most movies so i chose SL, but my budget is my budget if they blow my budget then i can't play it anymore and will go play something else
Cheyenne Marquez
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Join date: 19 Sep 2005
Posts: 940
05-30-2006 16:35
From: Cristiano Midnight
I already give my stipend away to new users through 3 money trees each week (so actually I give away my stipend three times over). If they removed the stipend, I would still do the same. It just amazes me that people won't hestitate to spend $20 on going out to a movie, or buying a DVD or whatever other form of entertainment, but even spending $10 per month on SL seems so outrageous. If SL is not compelling enough to spend even that amount of money, then why are you even here?


Thank you Cristiano.

To take it one step further, not only are some of these people not willing to pay to play SL, but they are screaming bloody murder about losing a fifteen cent stipend that they were receiving for FREE!

...and to make it even more hilarious, they are threatening to leave and take their gracious generosity with them :D
Charlton Cline
Sea Mist Association
Join date: 21 Jun 2005
Posts: 47
05-30-2006 16:36
From: Cristiano Midnight
I already give my stipend away to new users through 3 money trees each week (so actually I give away my stipend three times over). If they removed the stipend, I would still do the same. It just amazes me that people won't hestitate to spend $20 on going out to a movie, or buying a DVD or whatever other form of entertainment, but even spending $10 per month on SL seems so outrageous. If SL is not compelling enough to spend even that amount of money, then why are you even here?


I can't answer for everyone, of course, but for us it's the principle of the thing. If LL is practically giving control of the game...yes, GAME...to a handful of FIC who wants total control of both the resources and money value, that makes us more nervous than anything. LL probably wanted SL to succeed as a business venturea and that involved active recruitment of subscribers. The players who are getting LL to jump through hoops removing the DI, the dwell, and now the stipends in order to control and set their own prices for playing should make anyone nervous...doubly so that LL's response to this is to completely sell out to them.

My wife and I have been talking about this quite a bit, and we don't like what we see. Currently we pay for four premium accounts and are tiered for a full sim, so we're paying $195 a month for tier, and $288 a year in premium fees. So in response we're dropping our two alt accounts to basic this month since their renewal is up. We're going to drop the other two to basic as well when their renewal is up. We also renewed our Everquest accounts, which we dropped when we joined SL.

*IF* LL does finally break and give over control of SL to the FIC by cutting or eliminating stipends then we're dropping our tier as well and considering SL a lost cause, totally subservent to FIC greed, and will just watch the fall-out when LL experiences that big sucking sound of lost real revenue from premium accounts and probable massive tiering down...not that LL already went totally overboard on a huge land glut as it is.

It's our honest belief and opinion that LL is listening far too hard to a few self-interested players and totally throwing SL out the window for the majority. SL was compelling when it had the players best interest at heart. We just dont see that in LL anymore, and it's demoralizing us majorly about the future of SL and it's move to changing the game to one based entirely on the personal greed of a few. Just not worth it to us...

We're hanging on, but if they remove, or even cut the premium stipend, the writing is on the wall for us, and we're moving to greener (as in money saving) pastures...and LL can definitely take that to the bank.

Charlton Cline
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Jonas Pierterson
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Join date: 27 Dec 2005
Posts: 3,660
05-30-2006 16:40
From: Svar Beckersted
Ok you pass the test, I'm sorry for doubting your authenticity.


So..biscuits and sausage gravy tomorrow?
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Cheyenne Marquez
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Join date: 19 Sep 2005
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05-30-2006 16:45
From: Charlton Cline
I can't answer for everyone, of course, but for us it's the principle of the thing. If LL is practically giving control of the game...yes, GAME...to a handful of FIC who wants total control of both the resources and money value, that makes us more nervous than anything. LL probably wanted SL to succeed as a business venturea and that involved active recruitment of subscribers. The players who are getting LL to jump through hoops removing the DI, the dwell, and now the stipends in order to control and set their own prices for playing should make anyone nervous...doubly so that LL's response to this is to completely sell out to them.

My wife and I have been talking about this quite a bit, and we don't like what we see. Currently we pay for four premium accounts and are tiered for a full sim, so we're paying $195 a month for tier, and $288 a year in premium fees. So in response we're dropping our two alt accounts to basic this month since their renewal is up. We're going to drop the other two to basic as well when their renewal is up. We also renewed our Everquest accounts, which we dropped when we joined SL.

*IF* LL does finally break and give over control of SL to the FIC by cutting or eliminating stipends then we're dropping our tier as well and considering SL a lost cause, totally subservent to FIC greed, and will just watch the fall-out when LL experiences that big sucking sound of lost real revenue from premium accounts and probable massive tiering down...not that LL already went totally overboard on a huge land glut as it is.

It's our honest belief and opinion that LL is listening far too hard to a few self-interested players and totally throwing SL out the window for the majority. SL was compelling when it had the players best interest at heart. We just dont see that in LL anymore, and it's demoralizing us majorly about the future of SL and it's move to changing the game to one based entirely on the personal greed of a few. Just not worth it to us...

We're hanging on, but if they remove, or even cut the premium stipend, the writing is on the wall for us, and we're moving to greener (as in money saving) pastures...and LL can definitely take that to the bank.

Charlton Cline
Ariel Cline


Care to point out to us what it is that LL has done that is so egregious and out of line?

This may be news to you, but LL is not a "non profit" organization. They are trying to run a business. Yes they may be in the business of providing entertainment for the rest of us, but ultimately they have to make a profit to pay the bills, hire the most qualified talent, present a healthy and viable platform to potential investors as to the increasing potential of their platform, and ensure an overall prosperous SL well into the future.

Its amazing that some of us would need to be reminded of this.
Phoenix Psaltery
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Join date: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 2,599
05-30-2006 18:16


:p

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05-30-2006 18:19
From: Jonas Pierterson
My family's got rednecks. I speak only the truth..my cousins next door neighbour was quite the skank, admitting to sleeping with the entire neighbourhood. And not just one person a night.


Some of us would like to meet her. :p

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