Camping Chairs Good Or Bad?

Why is that? Doesn't a land buying market exist amongst current people having worked their way to a position profitable enough to acquire and support land ownership?

The ability to afford the wideband internet which is needed to play SL stands in contrast to the claim that one is unable to afford to spend a few dollars for the resources which are used.

Would you want to buy land that nobody but you would ever visit?

Maybe you'd still want a house, I suppose - but would you buy as much land?

Free accounts don't own land, but they make it worth the bother for other people to own land.

And in any case, if you want to sell your L$ for US$ to pay tier, you need poor people to sell it to.

This argument really confuses me when it comes up! "They can afford one thing, therefore, they must be able to afford two!"

Yeah, it's pretty much true, is the thing, so I don't know what's so confusing about it.

We're not talking "If you can afford a car, you can afford a boat", here. We're talking a tiny tiny amount a month. If you're so tight that you cant affoard the barest mimimum account fee, I suggest that the money you are spending on the internet connection needed to play SL could be better spent elsewhere as well, as with the money you used to buy the computer that's capable of playing SL.

Why not make it so free accounts cannot sell L$ on LindeX ??

I'm not sure that is always the case.

For example, yesterday I decided I needed some plants. So I went around and looked at tons of plants on SL. Could I have made them myself? Yes. Did I want to take the time to make plants myself? No. Could I have made better plants than some of the ones I bought? Probably. But in the end, I didn't mind paying someone else for their creation because I needed my time for other things.


If I go to a store and see camping chairs, I often leave. I usually assume that the store doesn't have much of a selection or has shoddy products. And I often skip the top listings on searches and go to those that seem targeted to what I'm buying.

Traffic helps sales, but it doesn't drive everything. Our wing store has a very small traffic number (about 140) but we do consistently get sales there.

I do sympathize with newbies trying to make some Lindens to upload textures and buy things. It seems to me there ought to be a better, more interactive way to make $$ than camping chairs.

And good for you Lillybeth for sticking to your guns

Yes and yes.

I am assuming that by "nobody" you are referring to the basic people at the center of this discussion. Curiously, your statement does not allow any differentiation between strangers and people with whom I am aquainted and friends with. Are you unaware that people buy land for reasons other than to entertain the unknown masses? I don't exclude people from my land, but neither do I care if random visitors don't come round and use the resources I pay for. The plight of the basic player does not factor into my land ownership at all. It's odd, but you seem to be suggesting that basic players would be providing me with "something" (I've no idea what that something might be) instead of it being me who is providing places which others enjoy.

I'm just starting out, and was looking for good malls and founf places with high trafic only to find weeks later when i dont sell anything its due to mostly chairs or dance pads, It really is dishearterning that i put all my money into tiny little vending spots, Only to make no money and to suport the people that are trying to get ratings, although i dont really know what malls to goto i feel that im going to pull out of places with these chairs because its like throwing my money away.
I think its wonderful that you did away with the chairs i think in time people will find quality over quantity

Why? A computer capable of playing SL is capable of doing lots of other things too, including being used for RL work. Ditto the internet connection.

The problem with buying L$ for content is that it's a slippery slope. You buy L$ once, get some stuff, but the nature of SL is that you aren't going to be satisfied with it forever so you're going to have to fork out again later, and again, and again.. it's not a surprise that many people want to try and get a regular L$ income sorted out, and if they can't, they don't want to play.

"From the mouth of babes" ( or in this case a new ish resident fooled into thinking the traffic at the mall they rented from was all spending customers were in reality a larger % is AFK avatar slot machines)
I am not going to respond to the patronising ' you fell asleep whilst your competition ..blah blah'
This isnt a cassino or even a club, were talking product and content and 'cream rises to the top'
This isnt even about me being 'no 1' its about false representation and no words are ever going to change the fact that paying AFK's to sit at your place is pure fair 'Marketing'

Whilst I see your point about advertising and how buying your way up a list to be seen is a form of advertising just as 'pay per click' on webistes are exactly the same

I have already stated this in earlier posts in this thread.

So far this texture store remains the only store who are using these chairs and I am willing to bet this is more about ego than a raise in L$ revenue as without wanting to sound arogant, large amount of stock is basic and 'old hat' Stuff found off the net etc...and sure those texture shoppers new to it will prolly visit them and buy but a large % of my turnover is repeat business, I doubt they will have in increase in that type of customer once they shop about and find other stores its very unlikely they will find the need to go back...they are simply catching 'new to textures' shoppers who dont yet know theres better stuff out there yet.

I dont need to buy my traffic as I already said before my natural traffic was 2000 daily anyway not bad for a 'store' no events etc...just ppl looking to buy textures.

I would of always been happy at that regardless of who overtook me..its the manner in which they did it that stinks...not because theyre better...bigger...or had some clever marketing strategy no one had ever thought of before but because they pay people to sit there. ( very inspiring !)

I'd rather have ppl pay 'me' to visit my store

BTW My RL was career is sales marketing consultant for many years for BP Fuels.

I have held the promos when I was smaller did what all store do to be seen..truth is I dont have time to do that anymore and more to the point dont need to either.

there is bound to be those that support these chairs but i think they are either those sat on them or paying some-one to sit on them or those selling them for the most part.

Does not stop them from selling via eBay, IGE, etc.

Going a bit in circles here, how about throwing a couple 'far left field' suggestions in:

- Remove llGiveMoney or whatever its called. Are there widespread uses for this other than the camping devices and Money Trees? Giving 'change' on a vendor is no longer needed since we now have customizable 'Pay' windows. I would sadly lose my Tree for it happening, but I would in return allow more people to develop on group land I'm involved with.

- Remove all Dwell/Traffic numbers from Find. Or remove 'top places' in find altogether, replace it with an 'Education' tab perhaps (fix two problems with one Find change).

Remember these are merely somewhat far-out suggestions, but perhaps we can flesh out something LL can implement.

Yep sounds good.. as traffic is no longer a true representation of quality whether than be product or standard of events,

You know money makes the world go round I would GLADLY pay people to run classes in my store on texturing clothing or even making a tree! Its educational and it kills to birds with one stone.

LL took away the 'event payments' and thats one of the 1st things that set off this downward slope...I saw it happen in There.com..soon as hosted events stopped receiving they small amount of Tbux for running fun events...we got nothing but yard sales...it got boring.

The success of SL depends on the things going on and shopping shopping and more shopping gets rather dull after a while...as does clubs & cassinos..

When I 1st started there were boat races and basketball and Lord knows what eles...was too new to understand why these events suddenly stopped...now I know...classes are also a thing of the past...

Id LL paid something (not much) but maybe allowed pp to run 2 events/classes a week at 250 per event to replace the stipend wed find a much more varied and interesting events list instead of Yard sales, Tringo, Thong contests. YAWN

We have DVD now what has come of that? I see nothing from that at all..managed to see one movie was fantastic..

I dont have much exp to talk about events as i spend my time usualy in store or in Photoshop but when I do look theres nothing but the same old rubbish

what about spades, greedy greedy? I love the pizza game too...maybe my time zone isnt helping im form the UK so dunno

Actually, I think camping chairs are great. They're easily portable, more comfortable when sitting around the campfire, and prevent hiney splinters from rough logs.


Oh.. you mean Second Life type camping chairs? Those bite like a tick.

Refunds (which are not entierly a thing of the past)
Gambling devices
Any game (non gambling) that requires money to play might use it for something or other
Automated web-shopping systems

Just off the top of my head...

I am not thinking that if someone can afford one Hummer, they must be able to afford two. I'm saying that if you can see your way clear to buy a $50K+ vehicle, don't whine about gas, and that happens to be the #1 complaint heard from new Hummer owners. I feel for those who are truly struggling to afford gas for their vehicle. But can you see how I'm not inclined to care about the Hummer's low gas mileage?

When speaking of 2 large amounts, say $50 for internet access and another $50 for tier, it would be understandable to say that one can afford $50 for one but not $100 per month for both. Wideband internet is not inexpensive and the relative cost of lindens is small. Therefore saying that one can afford the wideband internet fee but is unable to afford a few more dollars (the cost of a soda or latte) for lindens is met with skepticism. While there are a lot of people for whom every dollar counts, it's not expected that they'd have wideband internet access. Or drive a Hummer.

A surprising number of players I've met that are on free accounts are College Students. They get broadband with their tuition and I daresay have limited spending money.




llGiveMoney is needed for all the timeclocks that automatically pay employees of any business in SL.

ROFL

In terms of premium membership and monthly tier payments, sure. But a few dollars for lindens? Starbucks coffee, diet coke from a vending machine,...
And they don't get charged for internet access?

I paid my own way through college btw.

I took into account that there a quite a lot of people wich share wideband or are studends wich for example live in communal housing at the campus having acces to wideband over the university but for shure not muhc money to spare.
Fascinating it though that theres always enough money for softdrinks but not enough to pay 5 bucks for something wich (for my opinion) lasts quite a lot longer.

I am with you there, beside that paying afk customers to raise in popularity=traffic is for my opinion bad buissness policy (i prefer the lower traffic shops for the simple reason that no chairs = less lagg) because it cloggs up other venues of raising traffic, like designing a place people just want to see and hang out.

Clubs with moneychairs/extensive "moneygiveaway?
I dont go there, lot of people "dancing afk" and no fun at all.
If i go somewhere i want to have fun, not lagg and a few cents tossed my way.
And the time i would spend to make money this way, honestly, if i get somewhere a cheap job RL i earn hundredfold, considering that having the computer running to "earn" money this way means components use up, electricity has to be pay yadda yadda yadda.

5$ are easy to get together to buy lindens if needed by cooking your own meal instead buying microwave stuff, do tht a week and you swim in lindens and did someting to improve health immensly LOL