Camping Chairs Good Or Bad?

OK So I admit it I caved in and got some.


I cannot tell you how much I hate them and ill tell you why.

I started creating and sellling textures aprox 12 mths ago my traffic went from 50 (fly bys mostly I keep the walls down and the pretty colors attracted them) to now (b4 chairs) 1200 - 2500 all genuine word of mouth based on reputation and quality of product customers

I worked f**cking hard to get there even beating for the most part the oldest texture store in SL I was VERY pleased all the hard work had paid off and Id made it fair & square.

Then from a traffic of aprox 300 - 500 a day a smaller texture store appears on the list...and the last straw was 3500 traffic

When I first noticed 'how' they had reached that level of traffic I laughed... its cheating..buying your reputation....it goes agianst everything I beleived in...fait enough if some one works damb hard and has got more & better stuff than another store the traffic will speak for itself. So I put some line in my property desc about 'my trafic is word of mouth no camping chairs or tricks'

But the longer i thought about it I realised...this store than wouldnt of been noticed by new to texture shoppers before the camping chairs was leading new texture shoppers into thinking that they 'must' be the best...look how far up the list they are and how many people go there...!

( I get cut out of the equasion )

Its true to say eventualy all texture shoppers go to all texture stores and eventually they would of found mine but for how long?

Another texture/furniture place had had these chairs a while and i told him then ' you dont need them! Get some dignity! put them away!!' he has a superb store/s with quality items and a good reputation...It didnt make sense.

Anyway....the last straw was the 3500 traffic on a store that nvr went over 500 that I can remember and shoved me way down the list after 8 grueling months of 40 hours a week and thousands of dollars of PS add ons and plug ins..I was pissed to say the least

It occured I'd have to fight fire with fire.

SO I put some out ...set the rate a little higher and within 5 mins there they were....personaly I couldnt sit on a chair for 8 hours but when u add it up wiht that little program their using...they can goto bed and wake up to 250L$???

After day 1 my traffic went up form 2000 (natural traffic ) to 7500 no 2 on the entire list

The test was does this pay for the L$ Im paying others to get my traffic up?

Well time will tell but I did meet one person who said how he wished hed seen my store mths ago had been making his own spending hours in PS and using another store who was really helpful but no where nr as in depth and 'ready to build' as mine ( yes Im bragging! lol )

I asked where he used to go....and it was one of the stores further up the list..so it DOES pay to be no 1!?

I had stolen a customer from some-one who had also been using these chairs.

We have a camping chair war now of course...

The other stores and maybe new ones will put chairs in and like an auction we'll out bid each other in how high we want to go paying for our 'fasle' traffic as the 'sitters' sleep and goto work lapping up all the L$ our foolish ego's hand over to them...lol its a joke

And ill tell you why....eventually the true & proper line of traffic will regain order...whenwe 'all' have camping chairs and 'all' have out false traffic added to the exsiting traffic we had anyway..we will all end up in the same order on the list anyway...just we're all paying strangers for it???

Think about it...sooner or later these chairs will become obsolete (spellling) if we all have them...all that will happen is
1) we will end up paying stupid amounts to steal our competitions sitters by increasing the payout and were paying our own hard worked L$ to complete strangers who lap up all the L$ in out stupid ego war
or
2) we all end up in the place we started from on that list ...the same order only with added few thousand on our TRUE traffic and paying strangers for the privlidge.

Then we're stuck...cuz no one will simply stop usig these chairs....and go to no 250 on the list we will continue to pay for our false traffic but all be in the same order on the list we started at before we all got them but paying 500 a day fr the privlidge.

I'm not sure how this effects the economy but if ppl are being given much more than their stipend ever gave them...that takes away the need to buy it....and the rate of the L$ drops as less and less ppl want or need it ( supply & demand)

As I say I hate these chairs...I also havent liked the type of people Ive seen using them...some sat there creating stuff they will sell in their own stores ( once they used sand boxes) Now Hell why not get paid whils they do it? LOL

Some have been harrasing my customers...plus on top of that I would feel like a virtual begger...I couldnt do it..no way.

The person who designed them 'should' of created a hat for the floor and sandwich board
with the words ' Virtualy Poor' on it.

And Hell these ppl KNOW where to go...they get up in the morning or b4 they goto bed..do a search for Camping Chairs find the best rate and plop their ases down and go about their RL sleeping or working...cash in after their 8 hours 'shift' and go spend their money in other stores! lol

Its insane but as I say..I worked DAMB hard to get where I got to...I wont be pipped at the post by someone who bought their way up that list...

Bottom line.

Where creative content is concerned your traffic should reflect the quality of your product and word of mouth reputation will do the rest..if you have to BUY your way after being in SL months & months then your not doing your job right/putting enough time into it ..what ever....

When you create produce if you have to BUY your traffic your stuff cant be all to great now can it?

As I say I was very happy with my 1200 - 2500 a day traffic....very happy it was genuine and worked for, but I godda go with the times and even if I know that means its all gonna end badly
(least for the ones paying , for the ones 'being paid' theyre lapping it up and loving it!!!...they are taking advantage of the 'chair wars' and never had it as good...)

I'm sorry to hear about your experience.

It's funny - but I've noticed something - traffic numbers don't really correlate for sales; at least not for me.

I bounce between say, 500 and 1000, with occasional spikes higher or lower - but the people that show up *do* buy in high percentages.




I'm not sure an SL 'cartel' would be taken as a serious legal infraction anywhere - so why not talk to other texture producers?

If you *all* quit with the chairs, I daresay you will all make more money.

I've never used a camping chair, never had one, and never intend to either.

I've seen how the "welfare" culture - which is what this is - has ruined Sims Online to the point that unless you pay people to visit, you generally don't get anywhere; and as both the source (the money to pay the visitors) and the outcome (overriding the timeout function of the game) are both considered cheating in the terms of service, I won't waste my time going there.

I'd much rather have a traffic of 200 who are genuine visitors who I interact with, than a traffic of 2000 who I'm having to pay to sit there.

A new player comes into game, looks to see what's popular, goes there, finds 50 people and the map bulging with green dots. Great! But after 10 minutes and saying 'hello' to numerous people (he doesn't realise what the camping chairs are) and getting no response, he might think what an ignorant bunch of players we all are, and log out never to be seen again.

The "welfare culture" doesn't encourage people to want to learn how to make their own stuff, so people miss the point of the game and get bored. Why waste an hour at a TeaZer's class learning how to manipulate prims when you can just put your avatar in a camping chair whilst you sleep and have enough money to buy someone else's creations when you wake up?

I know that there is nothing "wrong" as far as the ToS goes with camping chairs - but you've already seen that LL have got to take action against their use by removing DI, and I'm sure that a revamped dwell/traffic won't be far behind it.

The same happened in Sims Online. People were cheating, so an 'overwork penalty' was introduced so that if you were completing more money objects than the 'average' player in a certain time, you got a penalty which increased and increased until you slowed down, to the point where you were actually making §0 each time. Good theory... but it affected fast, good, genuine players to the point where they all got fed up and gave up.

The moral? Think of the game overall rather than your own particular success, because sooner or later measures will have to be introduced that will make everyone suffer.

Lewis

It'll never happen. I've been involved with groups in Sims Online that are against the payout/welfare culture, and whilst a lot of people do agree with us and side with us, some just care more about that bought fake success and, of course, the only thing we can do is boycott them ourselves and educate others as to the damage that such payouts do to the game as a whole.

The "True Economy" players will, sadly, never outnumber those who couldn't care about anything except their own gameplay at the expense of other's enjoyment who choose to operate in a different way (ie by quality of experience rather than bribe)

Lewis

I Agree with everything u said about not encouraging ppl to create & build,, its cheating no matter HOW you look at it and oddly i was JUST talking to Kipper (my partner since TSO) about how TSO went paying ppl to skill up and that WAS all ego..no/little RL financial gain there.

The comment about 'rather find one with 200 traffic'
Problem is....if ur 200 traffic u dont get seen

Same reason ppl pay for clicks on websites...if ur on the 1st page on a google search you make more sales...very few ppl can be bothered to go 2 or 10 pages into a website search ...so ppl pay to be seen, its the same here


I dont like them and wish I didnt have them I DO feel like a cheat and fake and slightly ashamed that my customers see them....I feel it cheapens my work and creative content by saying ' look my stuffs that crap I have to trick new shoppers into coming here'


I wish the stores in qustion would remove them....but they wont and after all this hard work & time I simply refuse to be shoved further & further down the list to be not even noticed or seen...sure I still have my word of mouth customers but in my line of work...prefab builders dont tell other prefab builders where they got their textures from...nor do sim owners or fashion creators...they dont want other ppl finding their 'secret' as I was toldf last night by a prefab builder...

its a nightmare and i hate it really do

Ive removed them

I feel like im being leached from these people...I work hard for the L$ I made why should I hand them out to ppl who sleep???

No I refuse

I will send this thread URL to the person in question and hope they agree to remove or else if ego and war is the way it has to go then I have to go that way

I proved anyone can BUY their way up the list...nothing clever in that and I proved I can do it bigger & better if I have to I just dont want to end up paying 20L$ oer 10 mins in a bidding war!

Its stupid.

Wish me luck in my efforts to make my competitors see sense in all this.

I'm glad you removed them Lillybeth... the zombies were un-nerving while texture shopping. True, some people may take a little longer to find your store, but word-of-mouth is the best advertising, and you have a high-quality product. The friends I have introduced to your store are now cursing me as they part with their Lindens. You have the best kind of customer - the customer who comes back for more.
Camping chairs have rendered traffic a useless measure, which is unfortunate, to say the least. It's something that needs to be measured, but I don't know how that could be achieved without someone finding a way to cheat the system.

Congratulations. Once others see that you're still successful without resorting to bribes, others may follow as I'm sure there are better things they can do with it except feed it to zombies.

I'll add your store to my "Picks" - not that it will help a great deal, but every little helps, correct?

Wherever I've visited, if it has camping chairs... I go somewhere else. I know I'm only one person, but if 100, 1000 or whatever people boycott them, we *can* make a difference eventually.

It's all about education. Most people just see the free money and don't think of the consequences. But we all know that there's always a catch somewhere along the line.

Lewis

We tried the camp chairs as well.

It did get us some new visitors, but for the most part is was the same people and now that the chairs have been gone awhile, I don't see those people at all.

I truely don't think the Lindens are stopping the Developers Incentive because of the way the Popular list is being played as much as the problems the large quantity of Avatars on the Sims are causing.

If a person has 20 chairs set up on a Sim like ours, Pruni, then also runs a game like SL-ingo or Tringo, you hit that max of 40 avatars pretty quickly causing the Sim to be full. The other owners of land on that Sim can't even get on or tp in. That causes much more problems for Linden Labs then the way a popular list is being played.

The Sim next to us, Enyo, has one of those very small plots of land with camp and slots set up and their numbers run from 32 to sometimes almost 40 just there on that small parcel. They are way up on the Popular list...yet I feel sorry for anyone else on that Sim who would try to have any kind of event of their own or even get many customers if they had stores.

It is very expensive to run camp chairs and to this day can't figure out why people think they make money off it. Campers for the most part camp, their alts camp, they don't spend the money they make in your establishment and they make for angry neighbors.

The max of 40 avatars still concerns me though. Is there somewhere you can find out the max avatars allowed in a Sim or Island?

Clarrice
Emerald Falls

Thanks for your replies and support.

And your right. My best custom DOES come from repeat customers. Fade being one.

I know and expect ppl to go to other stores we all sell different stock one store selling more or better in one catagory than others.

And no I wont put them back even if other wont listen...I know its in the nature of ppl who havent quite 'made it' to use tricks....and maybe 8 mths ago when I was not even seen on that list I too would of gone down the rd of 'buying to be seen'

I used to find it so frustrating to find ppl were using the same store over & over whilst I seemed invisable and tried various things like $100 vouchers off their next purchase etc..

THATS what you do to compete and market your goods...I did it and I made it and your right had I continued to sell my older stuff ( freebies off the net) I would never of got where I am now...you have to create some-thing others dont already sell.

So i learnt Photoshop and did what some-one here in the forums advised and thats ' set an example make my own'

As it happens I LOVE creating textures its a passion for me...I love it live, breath and eat it and nothing makes me feel better to fly about & see an entire building made with my hand drafted textures...thats the best compliment you could ever recieve not how many ppl sit in my store scrounging L$ NO pride in that.

I understand smaller stores using these tricks to be seen but eventually the custom they gain short term will hear or find me and other stores and no customer is 100% loyal nor would I expect them to be.

Whilst im here I want to say Sexxy's Textures is a talented lady...never met her but I watch her cuz shes very good with the 'hand drafted' stuff...no crap of the net all worked on in photoshop...shes my biggest competition and as far as I know hasnt resorted to theses cheap tricks.



WTG Sexxy keep up the good work and thanks for all those who responded if I had my way Id ban these chairs and take things back to how they SHOULD be competition should be based on quality and product fair & square.

I'm glad I found this thread in time! I was about to get some camping chairs for this club/tech store I'm about to start, but I didn't understand the whole system until now!

Here's a few things I came up with from reading this thread...

A) camping chair owners are really just laundering their money. They pay people to sit there, then make that same money back when someone buys something. Their money tree is a wreath!

B) camping doesn't draw your target audience...unless it's people that like casinos (I hate casinos).

Now maybe I'm different from others but when I shop I have specific things in mind...vehicles, weapons, armor, etc. I pull up the list of stores and don't go off of the traffic numbers but rather the PICTURE and DESCRIPTION. If I pull up a corny technicolor bubble suit store for armor and it's at 1st place, I'm not going to bother with it.

The moral of the story? Show your place's quality through the advertising.

Textures-R-Us person is right. I went to them 1st for a building project because the picture showed the store with a ton of textures! Now that's advertising!

The other moral is to make something that 200 people aren't already making

As far as BEING a camper? If you need to pay me to help your ego then I'm more than happy to oblige!

I avoid all places with "camping-chair", "FREE L$", ... in the description.

I avoid places with free money too, because usually free money makes me think there is nothing else going on that is fun. If I'm going to a place to have fun, I want to know that other people aren't there just zombified and waiting for linden to fall on their heads.

Free money isn't free. It's a handout from the Lindens who can't afford it anyway. The plan that pays for the free money is phasing out tho so I bet we see the end of camping chairs soon.

never haddem, never will, we get out 10k or so a day jus by bein a cool place to be.

won matter in a month or two anyway, dev incentive is gone, and with it, the camping chair payout. be interesting to see how many places keep them running when gettin that 40k dwell is about as useful as a toothpick to a tapeworm

People actually get a lot of money on DWELL?

When my store went upto 7500 i think my group members got 48L$ for a day or two then that was it.

Wow had no idea thats why ppl offered free slot machines and pay you to play poker

I do think these chairs scripts are good for the pole dancers. You can add the script to a pole and they get paid for the amount of time they dance...technicaly its still probably AFK dancing but then I have no idea how all that side of SL works but I imagine the best paid dancer would remain sat at the seat and reply to all the creepy IMS they get LOL

Anyway, the person in question I sent them a short polite appealing IM along with the URL to this thread, They havent replied and the chairs remain.

More fool them.

Let them stick their head in the sand if they cant come up with a justification or good reply to who these chairs DONT make them cheating the system and attempting to steal customers from other stores who deserve it more.

I found a little texture store yesterday the owner went to yard sales and bought pieces of fabric and scanned them....them created seamless fabrics for SL...now THATS talent & dedication but shes new to the business so I invited her to sell her range of fabrics at my store and we're in the middle of discussing it. She had superb marketing skills too.

I dont believe in going up against talented competion would rather join forces than have yet another competitor

Oddly and slightly off topic. It wasnt that long ago when 95% of texture stores sold nothing but freebies off the net and didnt even own a paint program

I was told in this forum to 'set an example and make my own' so I started and now the newer residents are doing just that...they HAVE to have creative skills to sell textures long gone are the days were all stores had the same old recycled freebies off the net..that kinda store just wouldnt cut it now...I feel me & TU set that example, we raised the standard of textures....still, many texture creators wont sell in SL due to the permission offering no protection from their buyers passing their work about freely or worse..bundling it up & selling it for half the price its worth and what we sell it at.

Maybe now there's more genuin copy written work being sold as textures LL will HAVE to address the issue were as before they knew the stuff we/they sold wasnt even theirs to protect!

I havent put the chairs back...It cheapens my store and the products I produce they are a HUGE advertisment for saying ' my stuffs crap and I have to pay ppl to be here' When in relality ppl SHOULD be paying you to be there.

I will once again send this URL to this store and If I still dont get a reply then i KNOW theyre sticking their head in the sand. Right now they have a huge range of Valentine stock so they will have a spike in sales I dont concentrate on seasonal stuff...to busy to be taking pictures off online card sites and making cards for SL...I let other stores do that and once Feb is over....they have to rely on their exsisting stock which is were I always concentrate on...I upload 100 hand drafted textures a day now...always making 2 new bundles a day Im soon going to run out of prims...sorry Ive just realised ive turned this post into a bloody diary entry lol

camping chairs aren't about the dwell lindens they're about getting in line for the big developer incentive cash cow.

was originally designed to reward people who made exciting and fun content, in the end it only really rewards people who abused it with piles of afk camp chairs.

and the sad thing is it grades on a 'curve' so the more those camping chairs took from the system, the less people making real content or managing really popular areas got...

thats why incentive is going away. LL is goig to hopefully use those resources in a way to better help those actually helping SL

heck they could probably just use that money to *BUY* (and destroy) lindens from the lindex market periodically, and then with the new inflation smashing power of that, actually up people's stipends etc again.

I am glad that you got rid of the camp chairs too. I absolutely hate them and how they have changed sL. Only one thing i hate worse then them are the dance pads.
How ironic also that the very people (number one on popular places) that have benefited from them all these months, created them, paid for them are now the very cause of the director incentive to be going away. Which in my opinion is the ONLY reason they had them. I think that being number one doesnt mean ANYTHING when you bought it. Eventaully people catch on, find the better stores, the places with no lag to play games etc on their own or by word of mouth. It angered me even more when my favorite place to play games felt like the only way they could get to number one was to put massive numbers of dance pads out which made it virtually impossible to play the games.
I pray that with the incentive going away we can bury these dance pads and camping chairs forever. And that the people that worked their butts off and really have the best builds etc get their fair share. I was always taught you work hard to get to number one not pay your way there. And the people that sit on those pads to earn money, we don't need those kind of ppl in sl anyway. Do we ? People that expect something for nothing usually end up with nothing......
And number one isnt always the best.....
On a brighter note. I love the lace textures i bought from your store =)) they are awesome and your textures are some of the best in sl . Number one in my opnion even if the places deosnt show that . You go girl !!!!!!!

Remove dwell payments, remove developer incentives and people will still put out camping chairs to boost their apparent popularity.

Even the LL doesn't seem to like them; yesterday's message of the day was something like "tired of camping? US$2 will get you over L$400 on LindeX". But, LL being LL they wouldn't want to do anything like prohibit camping chairs because that's too much like action toward solving a problem of their own creation. Pathetic....

SL needs a different way to advertise. The "Find" system is often a pain in the butt. A Second Life Catalog or monthly shopping guide put out by residents might be better. When I search for something the first 10 or so entries are all huge mall or casino complexes that have high dwell but don't have any real selection in what I'm looking for. So I go by the description and the picture instead. Some of the best stuff I've bought has been from the bottom of the "Find" window. If it says Mall or Casino, I don't bother. It takes long enough for textures to rezz without having to wait for tons of crap I'm not interested in anyway.

No system will be completely un-gameable. Part of the fun of SL is finding new ways to out-game each other. Of course, I do find camping chairs creepy and sad... (Here.. have L$100.. get off your virtual butt and go DO something!

If popularity were based on profit, folks would set up cash-back rebate systems.

If popularity were based on number of items sold, folks would sell things in pieces instead.

Politics and compromise. Probably the only effective method would be to have some sort of fascist 'Zagat Survey of SL' with a crew of critics/reviewers. Of course, as the gaming review industry has clearly demonstrated, reviewers can be bought off.

How do I decide where to shop? I ask people I know and trust for recommendations.

My feelings about camping chairs are simple: they're dishonorable.

That doesn't mean I have a right to stop them. Lots of dishonorable stuff goes on in SL, right from the top on down.

Same with RL. Dishonor abounds. So long as people can figure out "unethical-but-easy" ways to do things rather than work for their rewards, they are going to use them. They don't care what others think. They don't care if it's fair. They don't care if it harms other people. All they care about is their pocketbook and their goals and that's it.

Don't worry though... my experience is they eventually pay. It always comes back to them, somehow, some way. One day, because they have no honor to protect them, they take one unethical step too many at either the wrong time or against the wrong person, and they reap the consequenses. They may laugh at this now. Funny though, they never laugh when it all comes crashing down on their heads. And it always does, eventually.

I gotta tell ya, I just discovered camping chairs and they are adding to my SL experience and here's why:

When I first joined SL, I thought it was a wonderful place - everything was new. I wondered how people built those great things. I learned how to build and I learned about textures. I'm pretty handy with Photoshop so I even created textures and clothes and signs. At the same time, I learned about scripts and while I used a few and altered a few for my own objects, I quickly learned that if I wanted to master them, then I might as well just go off and get my programming degree.
And then the novelty wore off. Everything started to look the same. Why would I ever want to waste my dollars on a texture that I knew I could create. Why would I ever want to buy furniture that I knew I could create, and even if I did create it, what for? To just sit somewhere? Sell it to some idiot who couldn't create their own?
So to infuse some excitement, I joined up with another guy and tried the group aspect of the game. Our goal was to get as many people as we could to join the group. To do that we had to build a fun and exciting place for people to enjoy. But then we quickly ran out of Prims so we started buying land to increase our Prim allocation. Unfortunately, we could only buy about 80% of the land around our original plot. About 10% was owned by people who I don't even think play the game anymore (we IM'd them constantly with attractive offers, but they never replied) and the other 10% of land wasn't for sale. Then the land prices started skyrocketing. And all of a sudden the land that wasn't available, suddenly became available, but at 10x the original cost.
I asked my buddy why the land was so expensive and he told me it was because of the camping chairs. He explained that people gained wealth easily with the chairs and then could "up the bar" so to speak on the land they bought and sold.
Then everything started crashing. After the last major update, I noticed serious performance issues. I would constantly have to log off while flying because I just wouldn't stop. One time I made a turn and I just kept turning, over and over again. The only way to get it to stop was to log off. Not much fun when that happens. And populated places are worse, the lag is a killer.
So where do I go from here with this game? Or is this a new game within the game? If it is, does that make it a bad thing?
So now, for the past few days, my game has become - if I ever want to buy any land ever again - one of seeing how much money I can make off the chairs. Will I get logged off? Can I succeed in staying online all day and all night? Can I find the script that will let me do that?
I'm sure the novelty of this will wear off too. But what else is left? Cartoon sex? Being a slave? PUHLEEZE!
BTW, I just made $10 while I was writing this.

I for one am new to the game *points at title*, although certainly not new to MMOs. And I must say, I not only refuse to use camping chairs, I believe they should be taken out, and beyond that, the stipend should be removed as well. Make people earn their money.

Beyond that I also don't judge shops by traffic, but rather by product, I use my find feature and I look at stores that look good first, followed by high traffic, and then low traffic, but unless I find something I really like that isn't overpriced (you know, like 80% of the skins) I'm more likely to say F it and move on.

Stick to your morals and don't use camping chairs, in the end you're only hurting yourself by going against your morals. And beyond that it's only a game.

Ok so let me get this straight. You want to get rid of camping chairs to prevent people from earning money. But on top of that you want to stop the weekly $50L stipend that basic account earners get as well. Ok so basicly just how is someone suppose to earn enough money in the first place to start a buisness. For example I would like to open a t-shirt store. It would cost me $10L to upload every texture for each different shirt i would want to sell. It would also on top of that cost me $10L for each texture showing the shirt on a vendor as well. So your looking at $20L just to make 1 shirt and thats assuming your good enough to get the perfect texture first time uploaded and lets face it sometimes dont matter how good it looks in poser it doesnt always look the same in SL.

But lets be honost you cant open a store just selling 1 shirt. So you probably realistly are going to want at least 20 shirts so that a startup fee of $400L. Now if your a basic account holder, it could be that real life funds dont allow you to become a premium member for what ever reason, so you have no choice but to rent. Renting seems to start around $100 a week and most people want a few weeks rent in advance. Now you cant get paid for refering people anymore if your a basic account holder so you cant make money that way. So I guess with no camping chairs and no stipend your gonna have to go out and get a job just like in real life and accept the pittiful wage offered to you for about a year just to start up a business. I mean this is suppose to be a game.

I mean your all against camping chairs but not one of you have ever asked the question what do people do with the money they earn. They must be spending it somewhere. To make any real money from the Linden exchange would take forever if all you did was camp. I would expect that people are spending it in shops, ok it may not be your shop but it is being put back into the economy and it is helping keeping the economy alive.

Now if you want to put an end to camping chairs and attract ligitimate business only, then the answer is very simple. Increase the Stipend to a reasonable amount so basic account holders earn enough money each week to actually spend or invest. $50L a week is a pathetic amount of money to expect someone to live off. Seriously what can you buy for $50L? Secondly Linden Labs need to stop paying Land Owners Dwell. No Dwell no incentive to earn extra money by simply attracting numbers. It means you have to earn your money by selling your goods and services and not by how many people you can get to sit on your block of land.

To me this makes more sence because by simply cutting off you potential customers source of income by getting rid of Camping chairs and Stipends the only person your really going to effect is you. Because nobody will have anymoney to spend in your store anyway.

This is kind of where the misunderstanding lies, although I can certainly understand how you jumped to this conclusion. You see, LL is presenting this as a platform rather than a game. I hope this helps.