Rid The Pg Land!! Make It All Mature!

I wish there were more PG land, not less, and percentagewise it is getting scarcer and scarcer.

Another thing to remind all of, it's been said before by, I believe, Pathfinder Linden, that the "PG" connotation should not be taken literally - SL isn't Disney World, and Mickey isn't going to come around to toss you out for saying "shit" in a PG sim.

Well, you might if you were a magpie. "Oooh! Shiny thing! Must look at horrible spinning glowing block with particles!"

I think the proliferation of ugly ad builds is basically down to people having no idea of how to advertise, and thinking that irritation is the key to every advert - a world full of radio jingles.

Either that or the "grief the neighbours until they buy the land just to get rid of your spinny block" concept.

trollish??
alrighty then.
my intention was to make an equal level playing ground. sure some are extreme beings i can agree with that. maybe my harpoon is pg is way the heck less $$ then mature and it shouldnt be!!
should all be the same why should mature be different land price then pg???
i want out of pg because well i dont want to be looking over my shoulder on my store. i got some great stuff but dont know if my art is off charts. why should i worry if its all inside a store anyways not in open. but i wanna move and prices are ridiculous. for the land i have now sold in pg is amazingly different then mature. bummer.

So basically CoCo you're annoyed because you have to spend some money to move out?

Exactly. PG in its literal sense does allow mild profanity. I admit to the occasaional expletive in the Welcome Area. Sometimes I swear for emphasis. I also keep in mind that making every third word an expletive does get annoying.

I wouldn't have a problem with all land being Mature if people actually acted "Mature", however that just doesnt happen, and with the advent of the wearable sex toys too often I have left a club where I was visiting with friends because some "Mature" individuals decided a dance floor was a good place to stage an impromptu sex show, yes I can mute even the sex toys but its gotten to the point I have reached the 65k limit on number of muted residents and can't add anymore. I wish you could intercept chat text with an script function I'd make an attachment that worked like an email spam filter and get rich- woohoo

meh.

after having a tour of most of the clubs around SL shortly after joining, i decided i enjoyed going to clubs in SL, but quickly grew tired of all the "mature" happenings and mature vendors plastered all over the walls in most of them.

...so i bought PG land and opened my own club. don't do any promotions as i prefer quality over quantity, so it stays pretty quiet most of the time, but i've actually met some cool people who likely wouldn't have stuck around for long had their chat windows been flooded with talking genitals and people cybering in open chat. during the few events i've had there so far when people start veering toward "mature" talk in open chat, i simply IM them with a polite reminder that they are in a PG sim and others in the club might appreciate their keeping such things in IM and i've yet to have anyone refuse to comply or leave the club. i don't regret putting the club on PG land at all, and since the only residence in the sim is my own, none of the other land owners have objected to the club being there and the owner of the house next door in the neighboring mature sim has actually been the DJ at two events at my club and i talk with her frequently so she doesn't seem to mind either.

i have since also built my office and home in the same sim. if i want to do mature things, i can always go to a mature sim (it's not like they're hard to find), but i find the open chat tends to remain much more intelligent (higher signal to noise ratio for certain) in PG sims than one could ever hope to experience in a busy mature sim.

another vote for keeping PG sims PG.

How about a business district, a residential qiet, a residential-loud, night-life residential, sex-business, business-without-sex district, just to name a few? That would make everyone happy!
Seriously, is it such a problem? 6 months in Sl and I have never been to a PG district... or never paid any attention... not that I am lookin for sex all the time!

Worked for me. I just bought a failed? club because I didn't like having a 40 meter tall tower next to my property. The thing was even pratical, but plain black on the outside. The inside was layed out as a multi-story apartment on the tall side.

Oh, and your comment on obnoxious advertisment?

Tuesday
<H4>TuesDay!</H4>
<H3>TUESday!!</H3>
<H2>TUESDAY!!!</H2>
<H1><B>TUESDAY!!!!</B></H1>
ALL DAY TUESDAY!.

The 24TH Annual [name here] sale TUESDAY.
DON'T MISS IT.

Now...how'd they get the idea this sells? Perhaps because car salesmen haven't figured out it doesn't?

To original poster. You have to realize a good portion of these people are kids playing on momma's credit card. Mom comes in and sees Bucko Pimple Preteen with a screen full of cyber prostutes oops 'escorts' marching around with their cartoon vaginas then momma goes apeshit. I suppose Lindens don't want to take that chance so they make PG areas.

I vote yes to keeping PG land. I visit mature areas once in a while to see what the nuts are up to. However my RL/SL wife never goes unless she's hunting for a product of sale. And she usually IM's people first so she's not walking in on sex acts. I have to like PG land if I want to spend any time here with her. She forces me visit to see building designs. I'd rather go fishing.

I agree with Forcythia and Torley, et al. The facts stand for themselves. There are plenty of people who like PG sims, and not everyone has any desire to see and hear the things that are not only allowed, but well-promoted with lavish abandon, in mature areas. I would also point out that it is a general tendency of human beings to take a mile when given an inch, and this applies to the concept in question as well. Truth of the matter is that SL is strong enough to stand on its own without any mature content at all. However, I don't expect to see it happen. Those who would make SL ALL mature might want to consider how they would feel if SL was made ALL PG.

I'd rather get rid of the Mature areas personally.

My land is on a Mature sim but only because it is a good location and I like the neighbours. Nothing that could even remotely be construed as 'Mature' takes place on my land with my knowledge when I'm there.

I have no desire for any 'pixel humping' and I know I'm not alone in that point of view. I would rather the entire mainland was PG and private islands were kept as the M areas. You want adult content, you pay the price to be there. Pretty sad I reckon if the only way to get your jollies is through pixel porn.

Yep. That's what I'd do.

Lewis

I live in a mature sim - my first land was in a PG sim (taber to be exact).

I like living and working in a Mature sim - and my business is located there (even though it has no content that could be construed as 'mature').

Personally I think you have nothing to gain and all to lose by making all land mature.

Mature has nothing to do with 'we are all adults' - it has to do with being comfortable in your environment.

Just as 'all mature land is cocks and strip clubs' is a ludicrous argument.

Why take away a choice? There is mature land in ABUNDANCE - unlike when I first joined (in fact there was bugger all in the way of ANY land when I joined).

I like mature land because I sometimes use the word 'fuck' in my speech.. I have a soft spot for toilet humor and humorous pics I sometimes share with my friends... these are of a mature bent.


Folks that don't wish to put up with that can get PG land - its a sure fire guarrantee that they won't have to worry about stuff they don't want to have in their immediate area.. It doesn't make them prudes or non adults... consider:

Adult X enjoys Second Life, and wants to show his young son this interesting hobby he has, maybe hoping he can spur his interest to join the teen grid.

In a PG zone he pretty certain that what he shows his child will be fairly presentable.

Or

What if a person has a computer in a communal area of the house.. and chooses their home to be PG because of that?

I think changing all PG land would be just as stupid as changing all Mature land.

There is room for both - and there is choice... what possible benefit does changing one to the other give?

Yes, we're all adults over 18, and some people don't want sex clubs or casinos or tattoo parlors next door. Those who are religious or semi-conservative don't want to be next door to such businesses, or live next door to someone who has sexy pose balls by the backyard pool or hottub -- and they shouldn't be expected to be slapped in the face with such things just by looking out the window of their house. So they have a choice to live where they can be in an environment/neighborhood that is to _their_ liking and you can live wherever you want. Got it?

I think all land should be G rated. It would make things so much better.

Vote Prop 69! All Land made G rated.

Trust me on this.

This is why I've proposed a more specific ZONING for sims -- preset by the Lindens before the sim is subdivided as First Land. That way, those who buy land for use as homes or small businesses that do not require an M-rated sim can have their place without being faced with flashing signs about sex, gambling, or whatever (I don't mind the tattoo parlors, if the outside is tasteful and the signs aren't garish).

When I was looking to buy my First Land, there was only one PG sim available, and _in_ that sim, the only available lot was dead center in what looked like a river... so I bought in an M-rated sim. Now I'm happy with that, as I've replaced the house with a gallery/shop, set up a vendor's group for the gallery (one of whom is a tattoo artist), and at least one of the neighbors is a nightclub -- I'm hoping if the clubbers are bored, they'll wander over to the shop and look around, maybe buy something.

I like the PG sims because they're the closest SL has to a zoned region. There's still some ugly shit nearby, but it's not all giant 50m tall spurting penises.

I'm about the furthest thing there is from a prude, but have a little fucking tact and taste, people. Or not, and stay in the immature "mature" zones where people have just discovered that they have genetalia and are determined to tug on them in public.

It seems to me, Second Life is large enough to support both PG and Mature land. What is your problem with PG Land CoCo? It's like watching TV, if you don't like the station switch it, it is your choice. Your choice in this, might be to stay away from PG land, but why should SL do away with it?

It's nothing less than silly to insult each other over this. If I want to go to a sex club, then fine. It doesn't make me a "loser who can't get any." I don't have kids in the house and I live alone, so I'm not bothering anyone.

However, if I have my neice over, I'd probably want to avoid all that. Or maybe I just want to see some trees today, or fly a helicopter. In these cases, I might prefer protected Linden land or PG land. I go to Elvenglen just to look at the builds. This doesn't make me some kind of prude. Maybe I just want to avoid some lag.

There's no commute involved because I can teleport anywhere, and there's an abundance of variety all over SL. There's nothing wrong with being a perv sometimes and a prude at other times. I say keep the variety so everyone can choose their own way to enjoy their SL experience.

Gydeon.

I too would like to see more PG land, while I have my little spot in a mature sim I rather enjoyed the previous PG areas I've had in the past.

I'm not sure about those pushing for more mature land, but I for one don't want to see bare polygons on a daily basis all over the grid.

So would I -- I'd like to put a house in a PG lot, where I won't have some *sswipe putting a script-heavy club or casino next door. When I was looking for my First Land, there was only 1 sim designated as PG -- all the rest were M. I've now swapped my house for a shop/gallery that I built myself, and I'm hoping to buy or rent the lot next door (if the owner ever gets back to me...) for a house, but I may have to rent to get enough land/prims to decorate the way I'd like...

I'd love to see a lot more PG land too, if there weren't already so much available. All of my personal use land is PG. It suits my needs just fine, as I don't use SL for "mature" activities. I've also found it to stay more attractive/appealing than mature land overall.

That said, what I'd really like to see is a lot less land IN GENERAL, so that some of the oversupply can be absorbed and property values can recover. People who buy land must feel TERRIBLE when they go to sell it. Land in SL doesn't really paralell the RL real estate market nearly as well as it does the RL automotive market. Drive your fresh new land off the lot and it depreciates 20% OR MORE right away.

I really don't think that's fair, and I suspect that most land owners would agree. If LL is sincere about wanting to be a platform provider, they really should start thinking more about how to produce a stable platform in which platform provider and platform user enjoy a mutualy beneficial, long-term symbiotic relationship. This is in contrast to the current strategy of sucking every possible dollar OUT of the platform, at the expense of devaluing the investments of platform users.

That's a GREAT way to run a game, don't get me wrong! It's no way to run a platform though. Land is the NUMBER ONE problem area where I see this type of behavior, with the financial systems/models running a very close second. According to LL's statistics, there are nearly 160,000 residents using SL now, and it continues to grow rapidly. I think this user level would be a great level at which a choice between "game" and "platform"/"world"/"metaverse"/"etc" should finally be made, and stuck with.

This is not what shows in the post made by Pathfinder.


You may not get hit by a stick but you may get a warning from the abuse staff if you violate the rule against expletives in a PG area. I think it happens fairly frequently.