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The Once and Future Linden Dollar

Jopsy Pendragon
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03-08-2006 21:14
NOTE: No facts were consulted in the drafting of this post.

In the beginning... Linden Labs was concerned that SecondLife would grow faster than they would be able to add new hardware, bandwidth and staffing.

SecondLife itself would die an unusuable laggy death if they were unable to keep up with world growth. Likewise, it would be financially disasterous for Linden Labs to over-deploy costly surplus infrastructure and not be able to grow their population base quickly enough to pay for the investment.

What was needed was a way to 'control' the rate of content growth.

Introducing the generic and transferable 'Upload Credit': The humble L$.

Trivially easy to increase or throttle the influx of new upload credits each week, depending on how much surplus capacity was available. Sink-holes are a useful way to drain excess credits from circulation.

Each player was guaranteed a base upload allowance, and more if they merited it... as as a fun SecondLife incentive. The nifty part of the plan was that players could trade their upload credits for content within the game as well, giving content creators the ability to upload yet more content.

As currency for avatar-to-avatar land transfers the L$ was an obvious choice, which opened the door to the US$ meddling with the value and exchange of upload credits.

It was only a matter of time before outside agencies began brokering transfers of L$'s directly. And, the L$ grew from something that was useful as a tool to something that had value in and of itself. That the L$ is really backed by 'the right to upload a specific amount of content'is something that most players wouldn't even think of then or now.

Linden Labs still requires some form of content throttling even if the reigns are slack at the moment, new players are too likely to flood SecondLife with useless content to be stored at Linden Lab's expense. If they have to pay someone, even if it's not Linden Labs, it slows them down enough to be managable.

Of course, there are those that think that Linden Labs is heedlessly floodingL$'s into SecondLife and that this practice must stop. There are others that think that removal of stipends would sour new/existing players on SecondLife enough that it would harm the influx of consumers in SecondLife.

I'm undecided. If we're going to solve problems we need something that works for Linden Labs as well as it works for us. So I ask...

IF Linden Labs:

1: publishes the clear and limited rules by which L$'s enter and leave circulation, and

2: issues a completely seperate and NON-TRANSFERABLE base+merit form of upload credit

3: caps the volume of L$'s in circulation based on population,

Question 1: Will the L$ have enough of a value basis to continue being a strong tradable currency? Or, will the removal of the only concrete thing backing the L$ result in excessive market manipulation profiting a minority of players and ultimately causing the value spiral up (or down) to the point where the L$ is rendered useless?

Question 2: If a seperate non-transferable upload credit system is what it will take to stabilize the L$... How should it be managed? Should it include dwell bonuses? Rating bonuses? Should you be issued more upload credits but have them expire if not used? Or fewer and be required to stockpile them? What use would they have to players that don't use them? Should you get credits back for destroying all copies a piece of uploaded content, or deleting unused content?


(Please, for the love of sanity, please keep the replies relevant! Feel free to say I'm stark raving mad, but please give me reason to see things your way if you do. :)

======= SUMMARIZED and PARAPHRASED (relevant) FOLLOW-UP POINTS/COUNTER-POINTS ====

Jesrad Seraph: The LindeX could be monopolized for US$115k or less by a single person.

Shep Korvin: Stipends are not 'needed', and therefore not welfare. [If the free basic account stipends were needed by players to pay for their internet access to play secondlife... I might say it could be 'compared' to welfare. I don't know any internet provider that costs $0.15 a week. -- Jopsy]

Jonas Pierterson: Non-content builders would downgrade from premium unless they can cash in their 'upload credits' for Lindens. [ Unless they want to own land, which is still the major driving force for premium accounts. I think I would upgrade even as a non-land owner for an allowance that gave me more than the 5 snapshots or uploads a week, but I'm one of those uploading kinda guys. :) --Jopsy]

StoneSelf Karuna: Linden Dollar survival post split from 'upload credit': A: Depends on content, savings, and exchangability. Q2: Content upload volumes are insignificant compared to the volumes of L$'s traded, there may be no impact from separating out 'upload credits' ... and non-transferrable is gameable. [ I agree, players could pay L$ to have another player with more upload allowance perform uploads for them. Doesn't affect the throttle aspect of content metering... and does somewhat compromise the 'non-transferable' nature of upload credits. -- Jopsy]

Damanios Thetan: 1: upload credits are a small sink of several, it might be more effective to develop new and increase the volume of existing sinks to properly balance the influx of new L$'s. 2: gamable system, creating a new artificial industry that would defeat the purpose of seperating out 'upload credits' [ Thanks for the thoughful and relevant reply! :) I agree with your 1... as for 2, I agree partly... but would point out that hiring someone to upload content for you wouldn't actually introduce new L$'s into circulation, or devalue existing ones. -- Jopsy]

Kai Venkman: I'd drop my premium membership and buy on LindeX.

Mad Wombat: What if Linden Labs used premium fees to buy our stipends from the LindeX? (merits) [ It would certainly have those merits and one big drawback... Linden Labs loses not just that revenue, but the revenue from the service fees that it charges for LindeX transactions as well. They get a lot of money from land use fees, but probably not enough to float something like this yet. :) -- Jopsy ]

Jesrad Seraph: Using all premium fees to buy stipends from the LindeX drop revenue enough to harm Linden Labs.
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03-08-2006 21:29
Jopsey:


I've been telling you the answer. As long as LL keeps paying
out Stipends, the value of the Linden Dollar will Decline.

L$282 / US$1.00 1 L$5,171
L$281 / US$1.00 2 L$325,202
L$280 / US$1.00 6 L$1,276,236
L$279 / US$1.00 38 L$1,223,462
L$278 / US$1.00 19 L$4,059,026


L$6.7/million Linden Dollars up forsale. It would take
nearly US$25,000 to push the L$ up to L$278.



End the Stipends...........
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03-08-2006 21:31
From: ReserveBank Division
Jopsey:


I've been telling you the answer. As long as LL keeps paying
out Stipends, the value of the Linden Dollar will Decline.


With absolutely no solid evidence; furthermore, the value of each individual L$ matters very little so long as relative prices stay constant; that's Econ 101 stuff there.
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03-08-2006 21:54
From: Aliasi Stonebender
With absolutely no solid evidence; furthermore, the value of each individual L$ matters very little so long as relative prices stay constant; that's Econ 101 stuff there.





And we can refer to your evidence where? Disneyland?

If wish to prod me for evidence, I've got one response.
Show me Yours and I'll Show You Mine..


Just another Kettle calling the Pot Black. Is that you
Siggy? New Alt tonight?
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Jopsy Pendragon
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03-08-2006 21:57
From: ReserveBank Division
Jopsey:

I've been telling you the answer. As long as LL keeps paying
out Stipends, the value of the Linden Dollar will Decline.
[...]

End the Stipends...........



Reserve-

Thank you for not even bothering to read before you replied.

The position I posted was one that would end 'stipends' by making them something completely different from, unrelated to and not exchangeable with the L$, and I'm curious what people think the consequences of that would be.

Please, if you can't even respond with something relevant your only value on this thread will be encouraging folks to insult you instead of contributing to the topic. ;-)

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Jopsy (Money has the 'e' --- Jopsy does not.)
Siggy Romulus
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03-09-2006 00:13
From: ReserveBank Division
And we can refer to your evidence where? Disneyland?

If wish to prod me for evidence, I've got one response.
Show me Yours and I'll Show You Mine..


Just another Kettle calling the Pot Black. Is that you
Siggy? New Alt tonight?


Unlike yourself Alby I don't have an alt - and I certainly wouldn't have one for posting - but I'm glad to see I get under your skin just as much as in the old days :)

See the onus is usually on the person making the assertion to show the data to support their theory... Any member of the 'I'm a genius club' would know that.

Btw - I scored a full 10 points higher than you :P

Sleep on that.

(addendum - for someone who hates socialist(s) - you sure love advertising their operating system :P )
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Jesrad Seraph
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03-09-2006 02:03
From: ReserveBank Division
L$6.7/million Linden Dollars up forsale. It would take
nearly US$25,000 to push the L$ up to L$278.

And it would take only 115579$ to buy up ALL linden dollars off LindeX. I know a few people who could do that right now:D And that includes the wayyyy overpriced Lindens that are at a rate under 100 L$/1$ (they're asking for over 12000$ for just 28000 L$ :eek: )

[Edit]
Your number is wrong, it would take 12245$ to bring the rate to 278. Half as much as what you say.

And there's 27.6 million L$ for sale, not 6.7 :p
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03-09-2006 04:24
From: ReserveBank Division
And we can refer to your evidence where? Disneyland?

If wish to prod me for evidence, I've got one response.
Show me Yours and I'll Show You Mine..


Just another Kettle calling the Pot Black. Is that you
Siggy? New Alt tonight?



I have asked this before with no response from you...so I will ask again....

RBD what makes you the expert in this area.....what are your credentials

I still say you are just trying to stir the pot because you are not making enough profit is SL

If you look at the forum search under "Bottom Line" you will see my comments...which basically are: If and when LL decides to do something about the lindens they will...they seem to be perfectly happy to leave it like it is and so am I...it means I am getting more lindens for my money and can therefore buy more things....

And once an for all let's drop this "WELFARE" mentality...it does NOT exist in SL.
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03-09-2006 05:00
From: George Flan
I have asked this before with no response from you...so I will ask again....

RBD what makes you the expert in this area.....what are your credentials

I still say you are just trying to stir the pot because you are not making enough profit is SL

If you look at the forum search under "Bottom Line" you will see my comments...which basically are: If and when LL decides to do something about the lindens they will...they seem to be perfectly happy to leave it like it is and so am I...it means I am getting more lindens for my money and can therefore buy more things....

And once an for all let's drop this "WELFARE" mentality...it does NOT exist in SL.



My Credentials are as a concerned citizen who does not
believe the current system is in the best benefit for all.
Do I need to be a Ph.D to speak? No.. Do I need to have
more than a West Virginia Education George? Yes.

And by definition, Stipends are Welfare. Go back to School.

wel·fare:
-----------
Financial or other aid provided, especially by the government, to people in need.


And every Tuesday you get financial aid in the form of Linden
Dollars from the Government (ie: Linden Labs). Did you do some
work to earn that money? No.. Case Closed..
Stipends are Welfare and you are a Welfare Recipient.
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03-09-2006 05:08
From: Siggy Romulus
Unlike yourself Alby I don't have an alt - and I certainly wouldn't have one for posting - but I'm glad to see I get under your skin just as much as in the old days :)

See the onus is usually on the person making the assertion to show the data to support their theory... Any member of the 'I'm a genius club' would know that.

Btw - I scored a full 10 points higher than you :P

Sleep on that.

(addendum - for someone who hates socialist(s) - you sure love advertising their operating system :P )




Who is alby and why do you keep refering to me as this person?

I can make all the assertions I want and there is nothing you can
do about it. I don't have to explain anything to you, since you would
be unable to comprehend it in the first place. I believe I've explain
many things, although due to the high level of intelligence required to
comprehend my arguement, you have failed to become enlightened.
Turning instead to baseless remarks about my knowledge, credentials,
assumed identities, etc... True hallmarks of somebody who is unable
to defend an issue with a logical defense.

Poor Siggy, I feel your pain. I know it must be tough to go through
life feeling intellectually inferior. But don't worry, you have people like
me looking out for your best interested. You can get back to your
sandbox now. Leave the big stuff to the grown ups.
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03-09-2006 05:12
From: Jesrad Seraph
And it would take only 115579$ to buy up ALL linden dollars off LindeX. I know a few people who could do that right now:D And that includes the wayyyy overpriced Lindens that are at a rate under 100 L$/1$ (they're asking for over 12000$ for just 28000 L$ :eek: )

[Edit]
Your number is wrong, it would take 12245$ to bring the rate to 278. Half as much as what you say.

And there's 27.6 million L$ for sale, not 6.7 :p



Jesrad:

Did you read what I said? Can you add and subtract?

From: someone

L$282 / US$1.00 1 L$5,171
L$281 / US$1.00 2 L$325,202
L$280 / US$1.00 6 L$1,276,236
L$279 / US$1.00 38 L$1,223,462
L$278 / US$1.00 19 L$4,059,026


L$6.7/million Linden Dollars up forsale. It would take
nearly US$25,000 to push the L$ up to L$278.



Like I said, L$6.7/million Linden Dollars is the
amount between L$282 and L$278. And at an average
price of L$280, that would be nearly US$25,000.


6700/1000Blocks * US$3.57 = US$23,928
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03-09-2006 05:15
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George Flan
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03-09-2006 06:05
From: ReserveBank Division
My Credentials are as a concerned citizen who does not
believe the current system is in the best benefit for all.
Do I need to be a Ph.D to speak? No.. Do I need to have
more than a West Virginia Education George? Yes.

And by definition, Stipends are Welfare. Go back to School.

wel·fare:
-----------
Financial or other aid provided, especially by the government, to people in need.


And every Tuesday you get financial aid in the form of Linden
Dollars from the Government (ie: Linden Labs). Did you do some
work to earn that money? No.. Case Closed..
Stipends are Welfare and you are a Welfare Recipient.


Well, I see that you too can stoop to low life comments like a few others and start calling people names. I am sure a lot of others can see it too.. Just for your information I happen to have a MBA plus a Degree In Communications Technology. I have over 40 years experience in management and currently work for the Federal Government....which sounds like a lot more education than you have and also have an average income in the mid 6 figure range. Second Life to me is a way of having a little fun, enjoy meeting good people, (Glad we HAVE NOT MET), and it provides some stress relief from the real world. Maybe if you would get a real life instead of spending all your time in here complaining you might learn something. The system is working, people, at least 95% of them in sl are having a good time, enjoying "The Game", and use their weekly stipends to buy the things "they want" (Not need). You continually use the word "Welfare"....it DOES NOT apply or exist in Second Life.

And if you care to go back and read previous post I have made, I spend on the average of $60-$100 USD a month in "This Game", which by the way I buy from Lindex, and that is on my credit card and does not include the weekly stipends I get, which as others have told you is part of the agreement that Linden Labs made with me when I signed up for my preimum membership.

Again, the bottom line is LL is satisfied with the current system and until they decide to change it (Which I doubt will come) then let the subject drop....They are not going to listen to the 2% to 3% minority who keep bringing this subject up.

Again, I truly believe your only concern is that you are not making enough real dollars off of SL.

Get A Real Life!

P.S. I am not a West Virginian by birth, just choose to live here and it is people like you who stereotype people who are the low lifers. And yes I do work in SL but as a SL Mentor assisting others to learn SL and how to enjoy the program. I also am a creator and am presently working on a project to bring more enjoyment to the program for the residents.

What are you doing to help the residents enjoy the program...???????????

Also due to the fact I am a normal kind person I will not resort to asinine comments like yourself.
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03-09-2006 06:27
From: ReserveBank Division
wel·fare:
-----------
Financial or other aid provided, especially by the government, to people in need.


The stipend recipients are "in need" in what way, exactly?

Will they starve without their stipend? Will they suffer medical problems? Die of exposure? Somehow be unable to log into SL?

No - the stipend is a luxary. People _could_ get by without it.

The stipend is a payment to people who are not, in any meaningful way, "in need". Ergo, by your own definition, it's not welfare.
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03-09-2006 06:28
From: ReserveBank Division
Who is alby and why do you keep refering to me as this person?

I can make all the assertions I want and there is nothing you can
do about it.


Alby = you .. Alby Yellowknife aka your main account.

As many have now pretty much determined.

now as for you adult and your oh so intelligent argument - yes you can make assumptions, but seeing how you can never back them up - it makes you look like what you pretty much are:

An ignorant buffon with delusions of adequacy. You fail to bring anything to the table to support your suppositions and therefore - as time has shown - are nothing but a troll.

I'm pretty much dismissing you - you can carry on with your stipend idiocy.. I think by this stage we've pretty much proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that as per usual you haven't a clue what your talking about - and anything you have to say falls like a house of cards when asked to produce anything to back your arguments.

The name changes but the trolling pretty much stays the same :)
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Jonas Pierterson
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03-09-2006 06:31
I paid for my stipend in lindens to si can shop

Give it to me in lindens, not an alternative unless it can be traded for 500 lindens a week
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03-09-2006 06:35
From: someone
And every Tuesday you get financial aid in the form of Linden
Dollars from the Government (ie: Linden Labs). Did you do some
work to earn that money? No.. Case Closed..
Stipends are Welfare and you are a Welfare Recipient.


I pay for the Lindens as part of my premium charges. Case closed. Not welfare.
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03-09-2006 06:52
From: ReserveBank Division
And we can refer to your evidence where? Disneyland?

If wish to prod me for evidence, I've got one response.
Show me Yours and I'll Show You Mine..


The burden of proof is on them that makes the claim; the ball's in your court, bright eyes.

From: someone

Just another Kettle calling the Pot Black. Is that you
Siggy? New Alt tonight?


In the words of Jack Burton: "Are you crazy? .... Is that your problem?"
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An Added Comment For RBD
03-09-2006 06:58
You stated "And by definition, Stipends are Welfare. Go back to School.

wel·fare:
-----------
Financial or other aid provided, especially by the government, to people in need.

First of all the definition you quoted is partly true....Financial or other need:

Aid - to promote the progress or accomplishment of, facilitate, (Which is why LL provides the stipends) to both the basic account holders as well as the preimum members. To promote the program, accomplishment the goal of Second Life to entice basic account holder to buy preimum membership, which increases the income to Linden Labs.

"by the government" - Linden Labs Inc., is a business not a government, and as such is here to make money while at the same time provide a service to it's members and residents.

By being a business and not a government your assumption of the term welfare does not apply to Second Life....

"or other (should have been others) need..(Should have been ..in need)..

There is no one in Second Life that is in need of anything to survive in the real world or in-world. They are here for a variety of reasons, the majority of which are to "play in the game", meet people, have a chance to be creative, and to some extend make a little "real money".

Also, if you read my previous post, I do have a fairly credible education, but, having several degrees, and years of education still does not qualify me to make a judgement on the state of the economy in second life. What does qualify me is many many hours in-world, making friends, talking with creators, and the residents in general, whom for the most part do not read the forums, nor could care less about the forums. They use their weekly stipends to buy the things they want (Not Need) and keep the creators creating. I am pretty sure that the majority of the basic account holders as well as a good portion of the preimum membership would be very dissatified (and a good many) would leave Second Life if the stipends would disappear.

Finally, if you will go to secondlife.com you will see the agreement still stands that as part of being a member of Secondlife the individual is "entitled to" a sign up bonus plus a weekly stipend (with some restrictions for the basic account holder". You must accept this agreement before you can download the program. Therefore, all residents, whether basic or preimum are entitled to the weekly stipends. Again, it is NOT Welfare.
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03-09-2006 07:34
From: George Flan
I happen to have a MBA plus a Degree In Communications Technology. I have over 40 years experience in management and currently work for the Federal Government....




Guess that makes you an expert at making paper airplanes G-Man.
Congrats on your accomplishments in rubber stamping timesheets
and pushing paper.

Now back to the real world the rest of us live in..
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03-09-2006 07:34
Sorry to interrupt, but I found the Original Post quite interesting. It revealed a bit of history that I hadn't heard and makes some interesting assertions.

It's really too bad that the thread was derailed in post #2.

Does anyone have anything to say about the original post?
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03-09-2006 07:36
From: Siggy Romulus
Alby = you .. Alby Yellowknife aka your main account.

As many have now pretty much determined.

now as for you adult and your oh so intelligent argument - yes you can make assumptions, but seeing how you can never back them up - it makes you look like what you pretty much are:

An ignorant buffon with delusions of adequacy. You fail to bring anything to the table to support your suppositions and therefore - as time has shown - are nothing but a troll.

I'm pretty much dismissing you - you can carry on with your stipend idiocy.. I think by this stage we've pretty much proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that as per usual you haven't a clue what your talking about - and anything you have to say falls like a house of cards when asked to produce anything to back your arguments.

The name changes but the trolling pretty much stays the same :)




Sorry Siggy.. I am not this Alby Yellowknife person you so want
me to be. I guess to steal a quote from you, "Show Us Your Data".
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03-09-2006 07:39
From: Jim Lumiere
Sorry to interrupt, but I found the Original Post quite interesting. It revealed a bit of history that I hadn't heard and makes some interesting assertions.

It's really too bad that the thread was derailed in post #2.

Does anyone have anything to say about the original post?




I know Jim, if not for the likes of these people fussing about
keeping their free money, we would never get off track...
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03-09-2006 07:48
From: George Flan


Finally, if you will go to secondlife.com you will see the agreement still stands that as part of being a member of Secondlife the individual is "entitled to" a sign up bonus plus a weekly stipend (with some restrictions for the basic account holder". You must accept this agreement before you can download the program. Therefore, all residents, whether basic or preimum are entitled to the weekly stipends. Again, it is NOT Welfare.




You education has taught you nothing. You can believe what you
want, but the fact still stands, you are a Linden Dollar Welfare
Recipient. Here is a little help, after 40 years of work, I believe
you have lost an edge in your ability to reason.


wel·fare: Financial or other aid provided, especially by the government, to people in need.

re·cip·i·ent: One that receives or is receptive.


Translation: George Flan is a Linden Dollar Welfare Recipient.
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03-09-2006 07:49
From: ReserveBank Division
Sorry Siggy.. I am not this Alby Yellowknife person you so want
me to be. I guess to steal a quote from you, "Show Us Your Data".


Apart from identical posting practices - same trolling MO (no data you're stupid argument - right down to wording)... use of the phrases 'hating socialist' (minus the 's') - of course the lovely phrase 'building rainbows' used by only one other person... and of course the selfsame identical theories and the drooling over a possibility of shortselling lindens. Distain of folks who actually make things in world.

Thats not including wording idiosyncracies and 'posting voice' - and the 50/50 mix of arrogance and ignorance.

Enough for me to make up my mind :)

Now wheres your data again for your suppositions.. oh thats right 'I don't need to show it waaaaaaaah... I'm taking my posts and going home'

Back to your dogbox Alby :)

NiNight.
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