If you'd act instead of talk...

This is where I have to go and take offense...

What makes you a "better" player than me?

And Lewis and other "gamers" if this is only a game to you and you don't care about the economy why don't you quit trolling the... ECONOMY forums? ROFL!

Take offense if you wish... that's your prerogative.

I'm simply making the point that some people play the game for their own enjoyment and the enjoyment of others, meaning that what they do in game is not driven by profit.

When people have profit as their driving force, they tend to lose sight of everything else. People become greedy. It's addictive, just like gambling, to the point where nothing else matters, and nobody else matters - it's me me me me me.

Capitalists are destroying first life, and they're destroying Second Life, thanks to false marketing by LL dragging them in. As I've said many times, people come into game thinking they're going to make a fortune for doing nothing, end up getting disappointed and quit.

A question to all you capitalists out there.... if something happened that meant all your game income disappeared, and there was no way to recoup whatever profit you had been used to. Would you simply quit, tier down considerably, or continue just enjoying playing SL? My guess is either of the first two.

Lewis

SL is many things for many people and until you mature enough to recognize that your way isn't the only right way you will keep being called a troll.

Yet you and many others think that the only way - and in fact reason - to play SL is to make a profit.

A question to all you capitalists out there.... if something happened that meant all your game income disappeared, and there was no way to recoup whatever profit you had been used to. Would you simply quit, tier down considerably, or continue just enjoying playing SL? My guess is either of the first two.

Lewis

Personally, I have no problem with greedy capitalists who are only out to make money. But I'm certainly not one of them, and I resent being labelled that way simply because I make money in SL.

I'm simply making the point that some people play the game for their own enjoyment and the enjoyment of others, meaning that what they do in game is not driven by profit.

Capitalists are destroying first life, and they're destroying Second Life, thanks to false marketing by LL dragging them in. As I've said many times, people come into game thinking they're going to make a fortune for doing nothing, end up getting disappointed and quit.

Yet you and many others think that the only way - and in fact reason - to play SL is to make a profit. For some reason that's perfectly acceptable, yet by describing other ways to play it's called trolling.

If you consider 'trolling' to be merely putting forward an opposite opinion to you, providing facts and opinion to support that point of view, and refusing to back down under pressure... then guess what? You're trolling too. Kindly stop it.

Lewis

I've said it before and I'll say it again, until LL change their marketing and promote the creativity and enjoyment aspects of SL rather than "hey you can make a hundred thousand dollars a year here" then we will see a better type of player coming into the game, more people upgrading to premium accounts, a more secure long term playerbase, and a lot more likely future for SL. Lewis

What you are suggesting, is call currency manipulation.

Not exactly in the up and up in RL sense.

But this forum is for those of us who are interested in the economy. If you don't like the economy, please stop derailing threads.

Actually, trolling is constantly putting forward an opinion opposite to practically 99% of the community. (by the way, the 99% is a figurative number.)

Don't you ever notice you seem to be the only person who even slightly agrees with your opinion?

Lewis my little cherub, its been a nice day here in the UK, the FT100 closed above 6,000 (again!!) the miners and natural resource stocks are up, the Dow as I type is 40 up (and it may break out of its trading range) the US dollar is also getting stronger, that nice George Bush's approval ratings are improving, Tony Blair seems to have spun away the row over cash for Peerages, Anshe Chung is back......in fact God is in his Heaven and all is right with the world with the partial exception of IIP Trusts which if you know anything about we can go and have our own little thread, debate them, and be all nice and cosy together.

Now, try to be a happy bunny. Think Positive Thoughts. All these negative thought waves are not good for you, they effect you sl life, your sex life (such as it is), your friends, ...in fact it takes over your whole life...everything becomes grey, dank, and miserable.

When you get up tomorrow say to yourself "Lewis my boy, I am going to be a positive little bunny, I am going to think happy thoughts, buy loads of goods and services in sl, help the economy, and spread peace and goodwill to all Avatars"

Trust me, I have had loads of experience in this type of thing.

Regards Paul

Of course my 'everyone lost' point is true. Did you read it?

I have to quibble with your logic there Lewis.

Linden Labs gets LindeX fees TWICE when
someone takes a lowballer's L$'s and then
re-sells them at a higher volume.

LL wins.

Out of respect for your strong disagreements with LL,
I won't say: When LL wins, all of SL wins.

I'll just think it very quietly.

--
Jopsy

A question to all you capitalists out there.... if something happened that meant all your game income disappeared, and there was no way to recoup whatever profit you had been used to. Would you simply quit, tier down considerably, or continue just enjoying playing SL? My guess is either of the first two.

Lewis

"Covering costs" and "Making money" are two separate things.

Lewis

Being interested in the economy and liking the economy are two different things, though.

I'm interested in politics, but I don't like it. In fact, that's part of what makes me interested in it; if it was all rosy there wouldn't be much point in discussion. The same with the setup of the economy in SL - I think there are some really quite basic problems.

If all the people that contributed their opinions or the usual anti-anshe-hate-blabber about the L$ crisis in 256 different threads here, would instead DO something to save the situation, it would be more effective. But writing endless threads is usually more entertaining...
I have several times bought the tip off the iceberg in the last weeks. It never lasted long, because some extra smart indidividuals saw a good chance sell cheap afterwards, but it worked for the moment. Unfortunately my finances aren't good enough to do this in a continuous manner, but if a large group of people here would pull the same string and start buying the undervalued L$ out, it might have a lasting effect. A few days ago I bought low priced L$ for 2000 USD off the market and just reposted them at a higher rate. I didn't make any money on this action, but I got even and the L$ were sold the SAME DAY at a better rate. Needless to say I cannot do this every day since i have to stress my amex card for such actions and then withdraw the funds again and repay amex, but again, with many people doing the same, it would become a continuous process. The same principle has worked with landprices inworld multiple times already too.
Take the lowballers out...

Another good thing would be if certain egomaniacs would stop underselling the current rate each time they L$. I know this won;t happen, cause "F**k the econimy if I want to sell now" is the rule. Here the problem is the way LL has set this market up. It asks for this effect. It may seem a strange comparison, but this is the same principle that happens on Amazon.com with the bookpricing. Certain sellers, that need to be the cheapest at any cost, keep spiraling the price for books down on a daily, sometimes even hourly basis. The result is that there are probably 10000 books on Amazon listed at 1 cent sales price in the moment, which would sell for 5.00 as well if certain idiots wouldn't ruin the market. This same thing will happen here, if not either the sellers bring in some discipline in their selling behavior or other measures, as from LL will be taken.

Well for a start "the community" is 170,000 players, I don't see a fraction of that amount posting in the forums let alone this sub-forum.

Secondly, maybe many people have just given up trying to talk to the capitalists and leave you to fester in your own mess? However, I have more backbone than that and am not prepared to sit back and let you ruin my game any more than you already have.

There are plenty of people like me who see past the lies of LL and the unwelcome promotion of "real life earnings" at the expense of entertaiment ... and I often do get people message me here or in game saying they agree with me but don't want to post on the forums because of the reception it gets, in the unregulated mess that is the SL forums.

Equally I get harrassed in game by people who feel so threatened by a few words on a message forum that they feel so insecure that their lives might be ruined by someone daring to challenge their way of thinking.

Lewis

If all the people that contributed their opinions or the usual anti-anshe-hate-blabber about the L$ crisis in 256 different threads here, would instead DO something to save the situation, it would be more effective. But writing endless threads is usually more entertaining...
I have several times bought the tip off the iceberg in the last weeks. It never lasted long, because some extra smart indidividuals saw a good chance sell cheap afterwards, but it worked for the moment. Unfortunately my finances aren't good enough to do this in a continuous manner, but if a large group of people here would pull the same string and start buying the undervalued L$ out, it might have a lasting effect. A few days ago I bought low priced L$ for 2000 USD off the market and just reposted them at a higher rate. I didn't make any money on this action, but I got even and the L$ were sold the SAME DAY at a better rate. Needless to say I cannot do this every day since i have to stress my amex card for such actions and then withdraw the funds again and repay amex, but again, with many people doing the same, it would become a continuous process. The same principle has worked with landprices inworld multiple times already too.
Take the lowballers out...

Another good thing would be if certain egomaniacs would stop underselling the current rate each time they L$. I know this won;t happen, cause "F**k the econimy if I want to sell now" is the rule. Here the problem is the way LL has set this market up. It asks for this effect. It may seem a strange comparison, but this is the same principle that happens on Amazon.com with the bookpricing. Certain sellers, that need to be the cheapest at any cost, keep spiraling the price for books down on a daily, sometimes even hourly basis. The result is that there are probably 10000 books on Amazon listed at 1 cent sales price in the moment, which would sell for 5.00 as well if certain idiots wouldn't ruin the market. This same thing will happen here, if not either the sellers bring in some discipline in their selling behavior or other measures, as from LL will be taken.