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Censorship going a little TOO far?

Shaun Altman
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09-22-2005 10:39
From: Eboni Khan
I think the Lorax is going to take some issue with this....




So then you are for foliage? :) I haven't been able to form an opinion yet.
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09-22-2005 13:02
From: Eboni Khan
I think the Lorax is going to take some issue with this....



Hahaha, completely unexpected. Bravo.
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Musicteacher Rampal
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09-22-2005 13:12
From: Shaun Altman
No I don't think its fair to differenciate between residents placing foliage to make land more attractive, and LL placing foliage to make land more attractive. I think that in all fairness to the issue, one must be either for, or against, foliage. :)


When you look at LL land it has a FEW trees and some grass on the land, if water maybe a few water plants...but as you can see from the pictures those land plots are COVERED completely with trees. Land in the middle of one of them and see how much of the ground you can see? Build in between the trees?? HOW!! there is no in between trees.

There is a difference between Landscaping to accentuate the land, and completely hiding the land.

I agree if I'm buying land to build on, I'd like to see what I'm getting. A painter doesn't buy an already painted on canvas because it looks pretty....they buy a blank one so they can do what they want with it.
Jauani Wu
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09-22-2005 13:24
From: Anshe Chung
You could not be more wrong. I always spend effort to improve land I buy. Instead of putting ugly spinning rotating signs with sex adverts on barren land I invest time to create best landscape the restrictions in the sim allow for: waterfronts, islands and vegetation. Where you took your pictures the same vegetation is applied in 2 whole sims, not just on some spots that you call "marsh", but everywhere. So would you suggest that I am also try to hide the more desirable terrain with ferns?


anshe, the sim comes from LL looking beautiful. your reason for raising the land to the max in this area is to increase it's value. finding underwater land and raising it to become land is a reasonable thing for a land trader to do - finding value where others see none, and then profiting from that effort. so far so good.

in the process you are removing LL vegetation and replacing it with your own. let's accept you are doing it to beautify it as you say, and i'll retract my presumptious comment that it's a cheap trick. you are beautifying it to increase your sale. fine, that is a great move too.

the problem in this case is that the land you have created is of poor quality. it is puddly and the terrain mesh shifts as you move closer. you beautifying disguises the quality of land. and a community member you should recognize that many players under half a year old don't know how to debug and turn of vegetation to see what they are buying. your incredibly dense vegetation createsa condition where your buyer can inadvertantly be decieved. as a community member, you should make sure that your beautifying does not create a condition where a new player feels slighted or cheated and generally turned off to SL. for that reason, you should consider the effect of your beautification.


From: someone
Nobody who buys land has to delete all the vegetation. In fact, many people are happy to build their house between the trees. Even if not: land usually remains unsold for some time, often for several weeks and thus at least during that time the sim looks better. I remember when people flamed me for "ruining landscape" by put too many sale signs on land. Now I spend many hours to improve landscape. Where is the appreciation? Instead I get flamed for improve the land. You really want me to put all land for sale in the worst possible state, just to make it impossible for some buyer to make it look worse? I really don't understand you.


anshe, it is our intervention as land traders that creates the condition of this puddly land. in it's initial state this land is under water covered in aquatic flora. it is not that any land trader is buying this land all puddly. the land is being bought underwater in the hope that much of it can be raised above water to benefit from the hidden value. this is a very different condition from the criticism of the old continent.

shaun raises the point on how can we differentiate from one player added flora or LL added flora and so we shouldn't and do nothing. i disagree. it is not even a matter of who put the flora or setting a measurable physically defineable metric. it is about using common sense to not conceal the true quality of the land. if the land has to be entirely covered to make it attractive to a buyer, it's probably not going to end well when the buy starts deleting to put up his or her dwelling.

there is nothing ethically wrong with what i'm describing about excessive vegetation but it is misleading for newer players. for this reason i think it's important that the land 101 instructors add debugging trees and objects to their curriculum. for my part, i offer this illustration: link
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09-22-2005 14:05
Yet more reasons why I don't do any business, or refer anyone to, with AnsheChung (the business). In my experience, I have found them to be completely unhelpful - even when I was referring customers to them.

Raising the land and 'making' islands out of land that was originally underwater is, IMHO, a little deceptive. I think that it would benefit all potential buyers to ask if the land has been terraformed in any way since it was baked by LL. You could find your ability to raise the land, even just a little, does not exist if it was already raised to the maximum to create the 'island'.

The above is not a personal attack on A.C. the person, it is an observation and opinion on A.C. the business.
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09-22-2005 14:57
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09-22-2005 17:00
If there were no newbies...would there be an AnsheChung.com corp?
Jauani Wu
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09-22-2005 21:27
From: Lizbeth Marlowe
If there were no newbies...would there be an AnsheChung.com corp?


if there were no newbies the SL economy would collapse. none of the top content createors would be making anything. they'd move on
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