How to profit off land swoopers

Land Swooper alright.

I saw you buy a plot tonight, when the owners IM'd you and asked to return it, instead listing it for sale to anyone for 1000L

I bought and gave it to the person who it was intended for. Lost 1000L on the transaction, but hey, that was a cheap investment in exposing low lifes who exploit others for greed.

Amazing thing Weedy, you've bought land that I've sold before. And, you were there 5 seconds after I teleported to the land.

You people who are frauding legitimate land dealers are pathetic and should be banned from SL and rather it does any good or not I will report you every time I catch you doing it. In my eyes it is not only immoral but probably in some way illegal and LINDEN I HOPE YOU ARE READING THIS.

If a person sells there land at $L2 per sqm you are saying I'm not supposed to run in and buy it?? I think I would be a fool not to wouldn't I? 99% of the deals I encounter that seem to be to good to be true are legitimate deals from people wanting to sell there land. The other 1%, if a mistake, I gladly return the land to. Granted there are dirty rotten people that purposely look for these deals to rip people off but not I nor most any land dealers I know do this. And what you are doing to us legitimate dealers is in my opinion just as bad if not worse then what your criticizing against.

Btw, I use no tactics in finding land for sale other then the old fashioned leg work such as search and word of mouth.

One more thing to think about; I buy and sell land all over SL everyday. Chances are real good that I'll own land next to you sooner or later. Do you really need another enemy next to your home or business? I sure don't!

I'm all for getting rid of dishonest land traders but don't put all of us into that same category. Also think of the poor person who is not a land trader and just by chance stumbles into your little scam and gets ripped off, great example to set for them!

You's good people, Weedy.

<Blah, bitch, moan, whine>

I don't buy or sell land, but am curious: can all this back and forth be fixed by simply having sellers and buyers actually talk to each other before making a transaction? I.e. you sell land for cheap, have the buyer come in and ask you about it before swooping in and getting busted by a trap. You look for land, make sure to come in and talk to the seller, before swooping in and ripping off someone for making a mistake.
If the answer is yes, then maybe putting up more traps for land swoopers will help balance out things and make things a bit more civil, no?

YOU SNOOZE YOU LOSE!

That's the answer to that question

Well, that used to be the answer to that equation before the idea of trapping sellers. Now maybe if you snooze you'll loose, but if you go too fast, you'll loose too?

Lol, very true.

Here's a few more cliches:

What comes around goes around.

There's more then one way to skin a cat.

Do on to others as they do on to you.

Point is, find a better way to punish the real culprits. This method is causing tension between people that really should have nothing against each other!

Karma.

It's not just for breakfast any more

I prefer my karma cold, on rye.

I never understood that one ^o.o^

Rasah

You trade on SLxchange and know that to offer to set a limit sell or buy, or even just trade through lindenx, you have a series of confirmation steps to go through. This is exactly the same for selling land.

The tension lies between land traders and land sellers in that mistakes sometimes do occur. Because most land traders keepo a close eye on land being listed for sale, we tend to arrive within a few seconds of each other, make a quick appraisal and someone will buy the land.

What the land sellers don't feel is fair, is that sometimes errors are made in listing land for sale. There are the majority of land traders who will return those errors of sale back to the seller there are others that wont.

In the same way, that if I set a Limit sell order on SLxchange and make an eror in my price, someone will trade it.

There is a potential area of sympathy with the sellers argument, because new people and those not doing somethinng very often make mistakes, but there is also a counter thought which is that you have so many confirmations to check yes to before you sell a plot that an error is plain idiocy.

The changing of land prices and land area to trick the land trader is just another step in tensions.

Anyway off to see if I can grab a bargain on the land sales.......

lmao Rasah, I meant no offense, i'm so sorry

Yeah, you have to type in the price, then type in your login name and password, and then hit confirm when it asks you if what you want to do is really it, highlighting prices in bold. Yes people still make mistakes on Lindex. I guess "If you make something idiot-proof..."
I was thinking it's be cool to have the option of having a land purchase being confirmed by a seller, so that a seller can choose if they want to sell land to a person offering or not (not the Sell To: feature we have now, but like where whenever someone offers to buy, you can say yes or no), but I suspect we'll end up with issues of land not sold to dark skinned, or fluffy, or leather-bound avatars >.<

Hehe.. you almost got me on this one too.. but I had a good laugh over it. Keeps ya on your toes to say the least.

As far and 'land swoopers', I take offense to that term. You mentioned those using 'land scanners', while I haven't seen one personally, those of us with ethics use 'find' and land sales.

I've always returned land when requested and explain (how to use the 'set' function) to avoid losing land to some players, however there ARE people who, for whatever reason (like dumping land before their tier payment is due in hours), sell land for WELL below market value. All 'deals' are worth investigating by anyone dealing in land and hastily because of competition.

I wonder how many of your "parcels" Jamie bought before catching on.LOL

Then why are so many people still maintaining these 16 sq.m. plots in every sim, with one prim on it somewhere? (Weedy? I believe Blue Button Holding owns one in every sim I know of.)


I sold my First Land plot for L$2/sq.m. I thought I was lucky, getting double what I paid for it! LOL! Ah, the joys of being a newbie...

I recently went back to see what became of it. It's now part of a mall. "You can't go home again, but at least you can shop there." -- Martin Blank

Case in point with people not reading things on the Lindex before confirming. Someone just set up a SELL Order for about 80,000L at $345, when the best price is about $330. OUCH!

Me to, lol, and I hold no grudges against whoever bought it way back then! And at the time I was excited to double my money, I thought it was great. It probably was what started me into buying and selling land and it was a good lesson

Me either. I was happy, and I didn't lose any money, in fact I made a 100% profit. Now, true, I could have made an even bigger profit, but that's what you get for not doing your homework...

I wish it had been a respectable, legitimate land dealer that stole the land intended for a person who was planning on buying a parcel from me as a "First Land" parcel. The jerkoff bought it while I was working on restricting who could purchase it! The land's label had been reset to "Reserved for _______" before I even began to mess with the price! On top of that, the two of us were talking excitedly about them being able to own land at "First Land" prices in the same sim I'm in!

When we mentioned it that the land was intended for her in front of the callous fool, he said something to the effect of "Let's talk business." I knew right then he would only resell the land back for a profit.

I wasn't about to get taken by a shyster, so we both reported him for interfering with a land transaction.

Anyone who does that should be keel hauled. Anyone who realizes that the land was being setup for a specilized transaction, and returns it {and I would have returned his money if he had been willing to go for an even refund}, they are all angels and should be sanctified.

Well reading this made me put some smiles and chuckles on my face, as well as frowns...

First of all, I don't owe land, and am not planning too anytime soon. I rather rent.

The whole haggle between land traders and sellers works both way. Sure, there are people having wrong priced lands and ofcourse there are those who take advantage of it and those who do the "right" thing and return or pay addition Linden$ for a more normal deal...

It's part of all things in SL happening. Like the freebies being sold for profits....


Getting at eachother throats isn't the solution... Image you trying to bait a landswooper with a peice of land unusable to him... Getting the centerpiece leaving you with some lump of rather unusual land... I can image that swooper being mad, setting price so high, you won't be able to buy it and yourself getting stuck with a lump of land you can no longer sell yourself (the swooper putting up a sign at his small parcel of 1m2 saying that the surrounding land is owed by <name> and this person being a ripoff...) /shrug

What comes around goes around...

Personally, I don't see the problem with land swoopers. It's a legitimate business. Same goes for other deals: some trader mispriced an item in his vendor list -> his bad.

If you sell land, which you know (or should know) it's valuable (if you don't know, you shouldnt be in SL or trying to sell at all; thumbrule of economics 101: know what you're selling/buying), you should be more carefull using the dialogs... Most dialogs I've seen sofar are to me quite clear (even if English is not my first language).

If the whole land trading dialogs are such a problem, I'd say put in a Feature suggestion to improve it ...

Just my 2cts

the first trick don't work anymore, any new trick? i wanna try to catch weedy

P2P teleporting in and grabbing land after somebody mistyped the land price or after it was wrongly reported to the server through packet loss / bugs has nothing to do with land trading. It is theft. [edited] and her gang I know are very notorious for this and their actions reflect badly on the land trader profession.

Please don't punish honest land traders (the vast majority) who don't buy/keep land without seller consent.

I've bought and sold a few parcels of land, so correct me if I'm wrong here, but doesn't one have to first set a price, then set it for sale, and also then confirm a dialog expressly giving their consent to sell it to person X or as a public sale before said land goes up for sale?

I've noted that a few of your 'agents' have been mispricing land for public sale alarmingly often, and I'm not certain how packet loss equates to checking the price, reading it's for public sale, and then pressing a confirmation button (which is not the default response button, 'cancel' is afaik).

I've purchased a plot of land from one of your agents for 4.9L/m about a month ago, and at that time, three of your agents appeared all dismayed.. asked me what the price was and were quite cordial about their mistake, but at no time asked me to return the land.