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Winter Phoenix
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06-10-2006 11:56
Ive read these tales of woe so many times that I can only kick myself in the ass for letting it happen to me, but here goes my own sad story. I have several lots on the same sim, I wanted to sell a few, so I attempted to fuse two lots into one. My problem was one lot was in my name, the other in my group name. In a hurry, without thinking, and not seeing anyone around for miles, I was going to do a quick ' sell it to myself for a buck'. Yah, yah, yah I know. Some real estate guy named Douglas swooped in out of nowhere ( think he was a ghost, never saw him) and bought the property for that dollar within seconds. Literally, seconds. I was amazed by the speed of his snatching. I immediately IMd the guy and said, " doug, what was that? I was trying to join two of my properties and you just swoop and snag it for a dollar?" No response. Couldnt get Douglas to reply to any of my IMs. As Im doing this I notice theres now several other ' opportunists' wandering around my confiscated property. More people who zoom in for serious low budget land opportunities at 2 am. Now Douglas P has a nice chunk of land for nothing, and can sell it for profit at the expense of my own lack of planning. The thing that pissed me off the most is the fact the guy was made aware that this was in error, and didnt even bother to reply. Buying a great deal is one thing, taking advantage of anothers error is simply wrong. I myself would never take advantage of the misfortunes of another, thats the moral, ethical thing to do. Some people have no conscience. I hope this guy and his girlfriend Keller ( who landed at the property and wouldnt respond to my IMs either) enjoy their little real estate investements at the expense of others, that they have a good laugh at my expense, and that someday they find some small moral thread in their psyche to make them decent human beings. Hopefully this thread will save someone else from situations like this. You just have to keep in mind, TRUST NO ONE.
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WHAT TO DO, WHEN AND HOW TO DO IT, WHAT YOU CAN READ, VIEW, OR LISTEN TO, WHAT YOU CAN SAY, WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR OWN BODY, AND SUCK ALL YOUR MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKET WHILE IT DOES THIS! QUESTION AUTHORITY!~ W.P |
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Eloise Pasteur
Curious Individual
Join date: 14 Jul 2004
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06-10-2006 12:07
Whilst I'm kind of sorry to hear your story - the other moral is to sell it to yourself for L$0. That puts up error messages if you haven't set a name already, and thus forces you to set it to sale to yourself...
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Jamie Bergman
SL's Largest Distributor
Join date: 17 Feb 2005
Posts: 1,752
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06-10-2006 14:33
Ive read these tales of woe so many times that I can only kick myself in the ass for letting it happen to me, but here goes my own sad story. I have several lots on the same sim, I wanted to sell a few, so I attempted to fuse two lots into one. My problem was one lot was in my name, the other in my group name. In a hurry, without thinking, and not seeing anyone around for miles, I was going to do a quick ' sell it to myself for a buck'. Yah, yah, yah I know. Some real estate guy named Douglas swooped in out of nowhere ( think he was a ghost, never saw him) and bought the property for that dollar within seconds. Literally, seconds. I was amazed by the speed of his snatching. I immediately IMd the guy and said, " doug, what was that? I was trying to join two of my properties and you just swoop and snag it for a dollar?" No response. Couldnt get Douglas to reply to any of my IMs. As Im doing this I notice theres now several other ' opportunists' wandering around my confiscated property. More people who zoom in for serious low budget land opportunities at 2 am. Now Douglas P has a nice chunk of land for nothing, and can sell it for profit at the expense of my own lack of planning. The thing that pissed me off the most is the fact the guy was made aware that this was in error, and didnt even bother to reply. Buying a great deal is one thing, taking advantage of anothers errror is simply wrong. I myself would never take advantage of the misfortunes of another, thats the moral, ethical thing to do. Some people have no conscience. I hope this guy and his girlfriend Keller ( who landed at the property and wouldnt respond to my IMs either) enjoy their little real estate investements at the expense of others, that they have a good laugh at my expense, and that someday they find some small moral thread in their psyche to make them decent human beings. Hopefully this thread will save someone else from situations like this. You just have to keep in mind, TRUST NO ONE. This is the reputable "Land Swooper" business that Weedy is always talking about. Quite a reputable bunch. |
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Jamie Bergman
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06-10-2006 14:35
Land Swooping is a BIG business in SL.
You're not alone in your little incident, merely more vocal than others. |
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bargain Walcott
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Join date: 31 Oct 2005
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06-10-2006 14:57
I dabble in the land buying and selling business. I have snatched up tons of land from people. You have to act fast or lose out on the deal, no time to question if it's a mistake or not. I always sell the land back asap if the seller IM's me and says it was a mistake because I believe that's the morally right thing to do but keep in mind that I have no obligation to do so. When selling land it makes you confirm what you are doing. What ticks me off is when I get a stupid IM from some idiot telling me I just stole there land. They set a price, checked the sell box and confirmed the sale and I bought it! What nerve to IM me and tell me I stole there land, lmao.
I believe there should be more safety loops when setting land for sale. I feel sorry for the people who lose there land this way and I don't need nasty accusations being IM'd to me. One more flaw in the system that I mentioned in these forums is the land "price switching" scam. Linden should address both of these issues. |
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Jamie Bergman
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06-10-2006 15:04
Bargain, you are my type of man.
Can we date? |
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Winter Phoenix
Voyager of Experiences
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
Posts: 683
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Indeed
06-10-2006 15:16
Well, I didnt send an instant nasty IM accusing this guy of wrongdoing. I simply said " heyyy, this is what happened and that I really WASNT selling 900 meters for a dollar." It was when I got no response from him or his business partner that I realised I was dealing with a scumbag opportunist preying upon the ineptitude of his fellow man. ( me!). I even offered to buy it back for a 500 linden good faith offer. Not a word from these miscreants. I just so happen to own land on two sides of the property and my good friendly neighbor on another. I guess we could always build a lovely six story tall observation deck around three sides of that land so we can go up there and watch the lovely view of the bay.
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~GIVEN FREE REIGN THE SYSTEM WILL TELL YOU,
WHAT TO DO, WHEN AND HOW TO DO IT, WHAT YOU CAN READ, VIEW, OR LISTEN TO, WHAT YOU CAN SAY, WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR OWN BODY, AND SUCK ALL YOUR MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKET WHILE IT DOES THIS! QUESTION AUTHORITY!~ W.P |
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Jamie Bergman
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Join date: 17 Feb 2005
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06-10-2006 15:17
Well, I didnt send an instant nasty IM accusing this guy of wrongdoing. I simply said " heyyy, this is what happened and that I really WASNT selling 900 meters for a dollar." It was when I got no response from him or his business partner that I realised I was dealing with a scumbag opportunist preying upon the ineptitude of his fellow man. ( me!). I even offered to buy it back for a 500 linden good faith offer. Not a word from these miscreants. I just so happen to own land on two sides of the property and my good friendly neighbor on another. I guess we could always build a lovely six story tall observation deck around three sides of that land so we can go up there and watch the lovely view of the bay. Its worth at least L$2,700. |
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Winter Phoenix
Voyager of Experiences
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
Posts: 683
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lol
06-10-2006 15:26
Didnt say I was willing to buy it back for its value. Was gonna sell it anyway. Not gonna pour good money after bad losses. I had it for sale for quite awhile at its current size and it just ate my tier. Which is why I was going to enlarge the lot by fusing two and try to sell again. Let it eat their tier for awhile.
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~GIVEN FREE REIGN THE SYSTEM WILL TELL YOU,
WHAT TO DO, WHEN AND HOW TO DO IT, WHAT YOU CAN READ, VIEW, OR LISTEN TO, WHAT YOU CAN SAY, WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR OWN BODY, AND SUCK ALL YOUR MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKET WHILE IT DOES THIS! QUESTION AUTHORITY!~ W.P |
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bargain Walcott
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Join date: 31 Oct 2005
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06-10-2006 15:52
Sorry Winter, I wasn't implying that you were an idiot, in fact 99% of the people that IM me about a land sale mistake are very polite and nice. It's just that rogue 1% that makes me cringe!
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Jonas Pierterson
Dark Harlequin
Join date: 27 Dec 2005
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06-10-2006 16:06
I dabble in the land buying and selling business. I have snatched up tons of land from people. You have to act fast or lose out on the deal, no time to question if it's a mistake or not. I always sell the land back asap if the seller IM's me and says it was a mistake because I believe that's the morally right thing to do but keep in mind that I have no obligation to do so. When selling land it makes you confirm what you are doing. What ticks me off is when I get a stupid IM from some idiot telling me I just stole there land. They set a price, checked the sell box and confirmed the sale and I bought it! What nerve to IM me and tell me I stole there land, lmao. I believe there should be more safety loops when setting land for sale. I feel sorry for the people who lose there land this way and I don't need nasty accusations being IM'd to me. One more flaw in the system that I mentioned in these forums is the land "price switching" scam. Linden should address both of these issues. Theres already enough. All the warnings in the world won't stop people whop don't know how to use them. What we need to do is educate people.. a virtual land sale set up on orientation island. |
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Winter Phoenix
Voyager of Experiences
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
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yep
06-10-2006 16:08
Lets just say I was naive enough to think that fifteen seconds wasnt long enough to be swooped down on by a vulture. Wont get fooled again
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~GIVEN FREE REIGN THE SYSTEM WILL TELL YOU,
WHAT TO DO, WHEN AND HOW TO DO IT, WHAT YOU CAN READ, VIEW, OR LISTEN TO, WHAT YOU CAN SAY, WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR OWN BODY, AND SUCK ALL YOUR MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKET WHILE IT DOES THIS! QUESTION AUTHORITY!~ W.P |
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Ravenous Dingo
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06-10-2006 16:24
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Allana Dion
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Join date: 12 Jul 2005
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06-10-2006 16:41
In RL when you sell your land you actually hand over the deed, you have to actually approve the sale. Really, how hard would it be to set up the permissions in such a way that the seller is actually sent a pop up asking "Do you agree to sell such and such land to so and so?" and the seller has to click the yes or no box before the sale is completed? I'm not just tossing this out, I'm asking the question for those who know more than I do.... would this be a difficult thing to implement?
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bargain Walcott
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06-10-2006 16:48
Good idea Allana but it would suck if the seller went on vacation for a month and you had to wait for the sale to be approved!
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Allana Dion
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06-10-2006 16:50
Good idea Allana but it would suck if the seller went on vacation for a month and you had to wait for the sale to be approved! Well that would be unwise business on the seller's part.... no different than setting my house up for sale and going on vacation. People who want to sell their land wouldn't do it. _____________________
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bargain Walcott
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06-10-2006 16:54
So true but there are other variables that could prevent the seller from closing the deal such as death, jail, not paying there sl bill and so on. I do like the idea though, just don't think it's feasible?
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Dmitri Polonsky
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Join date: 26 Aug 2005
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06-10-2006 16:55
Land Swooping is a BIG business in SL. You're not alone in your little incident, merely more vocal than others. Spoken like someone who truly knows. |
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Introvert Petunia
over 2 billion posts
Join date: 11 Sep 2004
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06-10-2006 17:44
That which is not prohibted is allowed. Greed is Good. War is Peace. The land tools are really well designed. Ignorance is Strength.
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Phedre Aquitaine
I am the zombie queen
Join date: 26 Jan 2006
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06-10-2006 18:19
So true but there are other variables that could prevent the seller from closing the deal such as death, jail, not paying there sl bill and so on. I do like the idea though, just don't think it's feasible? How about offering the option? If you don't give a damn, you tick a box, and don't require confirmation of the sale. Better selling tools would give us a much smoother experience. _____________________
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bargain Walcott
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06-10-2006 18:39
Better selling tools would give us a much smoother experience. Yes, I agree. The system as it is, is idiot proof for those who know what there doing but for those who don't, it's not! |
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Keiki Lemieux
I make HUDDLES
Join date: 8 Jul 2005
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06-10-2006 18:54
The system as it is, is idiot proof for those who know what there doing but for those who don't, it's not! I think I want this framed and put on my wall. _____________________
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bargain Walcott
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06-10-2006 20:11
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Winter Phoenix
Voyager of Experiences
Join date: 15 Nov 2004
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06-10-2006 20:15
I like it!
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~GIVEN FREE REIGN THE SYSTEM WILL TELL YOU,
WHAT TO DO, WHEN AND HOW TO DO IT, WHAT YOU CAN READ, VIEW, OR LISTEN TO, WHAT YOU CAN SAY, WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR OWN BODY, AND SUCK ALL YOUR MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKET WHILE IT DOES THIS! QUESTION AUTHORITY!~ W.P |
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SunenRec Ayoob
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Join date: 29 Dec 2004
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06-10-2006 20:17
While it would be nice if more residents were warned of these dangers and given better instructions on how to use the land sales process (especially the "Sell To" option), LL posting notices on their website or the message of the day warning people to beware of other residents trying to steal their property would be akin to posting "Beware of the Muggers" signs at the entrance to a public park. That would be bad advertising and that's bad for LL, SL and its residents.
Perhaps LL could add a 10-15 minute delay between ticking the Sell box and the parcel showing up in Find, that would at least help reduce the number of incidents like this. |