"LindeX" - Linden Currency Exchange Begins Public Testing
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Ricky Zamboni
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10-01-2005 16:08
From: Aaron Levy Overall its confusing. There needs to be market info ON the pages where you are buying and selling, not off on some separate page. I don't like the format -- it actually too simplified. Also, buyers should not have a fee. Period. The sellers are the ones profiting, it should come from their pockets. (and I'm a seller and buyer)
And why didn't you just stick with the widely-accepted $L1,000 = $X.XXUSD, instead of this really weird L$/US$1.00? I know what it means, but it's really, well, not unintuitive.
Maybe the more I use it, I don't know.
At first glance, though, I'd say it falls really really short. I don't know if their intent was to have more finely-grained price resolution or a psychologically pleasing upward-trending line when the L$ tanks... It seems intentionally obscure to not have gone with the accepted standard of $x/L$1k. |
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Gabrielle Assia
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10-01-2005 16:18
From: Jillian Callahan Because I wasn't thinking about me. Hmm... You did say *you* prefered that because *you* are all about security. I take your comment to imply that I am thinking more about my own desires... over security? Personally, I think the effort required for the one-click "logout" button for you to instantly ensure your security will be much easier than the 27 characters I need to type to log back in and enact another trade... even though I'm still sitting at the same terminal I DID type out the same 27 characters for my login 45 seconds ago. I don't remember hearing anyone ever had a problem with staying logged in to GOM for about 5 min before they got timed out. Perhaps this auto-logout or stay logged in topic should be an option that each individual can set in their preferences. Gabrielle |
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Lola Rosebud
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10-01-2005 16:26
Well I don't care how it's set up - doesn't matter if you can't get it to work!
*grumble grumble groan*
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Gabrielle Assia
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10-01-2005 16:34
From: Lola Rosebud Well I don't care how it's set up - doesn't matter if you can't get it to work!
*grumble grumble groan* Very true... I can place sell orders just fine... but can't buy: We are unable to complete your request. • The system encountered an error while processing your order, please try again. |
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Hair Akebono
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10-01-2005 16:36
From: someone And why didn't you just stick with the widely-accepted $L1,000 = $X.XXUSD, instead of this really weird L$/US$1.00? I know what it means, but it's really, well, not unintuitive. I'm finding it very confusing. So much so that decided to just write a quick spreadsheet that does the conversion from US$/1000L$ to L$/US$1.00. |
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Gabrielle Assia
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10-01-2005 16:41
From: Hair Akebono I'm finding it very confusing. So much so that decided to just write a quick spreadsheet that does the conversion from US$/1000L$ to L$/US$1.00. A little.. yes... because we are use to the other way. However, I remember setting up a conversion spreadsheet for GOMs way to do it when I got started there! =) I'm sure we'll get use to the $L/$US way soon enough. |
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Dnate Mars
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10-01-2005 16:42
From: Hair Akebono I'm finding it very confusing. So much so that decided to just write a quick spreadsheet that does the conversion from US$/1000L$ to L$/US$1.00. If you want to convert from L$/USD (x) to the more widely used USD/kL$ (y) you need to take the inverse of x, and multiply it by 1000. (1/x) * 1000 = y
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Jillian Callahan
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10-01-2005 16:50
From: Gabrielle Assia Hmm... You did say *you* prefered that because *you* are all about security. No, I didn't. Feel free to re-read my post. From: Gabrielle Assia I take your comment to imply that I am thinking more about my own desires... over security? No, I am not. Your suggestion I log out on my own wasn't material since I wasn't thinking about myself. I wasn't making any judgements at all. From: Gabrielle Assia Personally, I think the effort required for the one-click "logout" button for you to instantly ensure your security will be much easier than the 27 characters I need to type to log back in and enact another trade... even though I'm still sitting at the same terminal I DID type out the same 27 characters for my login 45 seconds ago.
I don't remember hearing anyone ever had a problem with staying logged in to GOM for about 5 min before they got timed out.
Perhaps this auto-logout or stay logged in topic should be an option that each individual can set in their preferences.
Gabrielle I dig options. I think it should default to having to re-login each time, allowing for those who would use the system more than that would be convenient to chose to stay logged in throughout that session. I get the sense you were being a little bit hostile here. Is there some reason I'm at the recieving end of that hostility? I don't recall a reason you may have issue with me, but I do often miss what others would consider obvious, so I ask to be clear. |
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blaze Spinnaker
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10-01-2005 16:50
From: someone
You have to relogin in to complete a buy/sell/cancel. This is intended to help protect so that someone walking by an open browser on your system can't just wander into the currency exchange and start trading. However, I do agree that it's annoying, it certainly bothered me quite a bit when I was doing a lot of trades to test the market.
This is one of the exchange features I most want feedback about. Does anyone feel this feature is worthwhile? If so, should we add it to the other pages with the account settings page, and the land auction pages?
Cheers,
Lawrenc
How about a password on the same page the trade is done? Or a confirmation page might be a good idea. Might be hard to implement. |
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blaze Spinnaker
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10-01-2005 16:59
From: Dnate Mars If you want to convert from L$/USD (x) to the more widely used USD/kL$ (y) you need to take the inverse of x, and multiply it by 1000.
(1/x) * 1000 = y Yeah, I'm sure we'll get use to it soon enough. |
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Gabrielle Assia
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10-01-2005 17:08
From: Jillian Callahan
I get the sense you were being a little bit hostile here. Is there some reason I'm at the recieving end of that hostility? I don't recall a reason you may have issue with me, but I do often miss what others would consider obvious, so I ask to be clear.
Perhaps slightly, but only because I felt you started being hostile to me when you replied "I wasn't thinking about me". With the emphasis on "me", I got the impression you were making a sarcastic statement that my request to not have to log in each time implying I was more concerned with my own hassles than with potential security issues. That being said I, perhaps we can avoid going down that path  But I must reply to this (don't mean for you take take it as hostile) From: Jillian Callahan
No, I didn't. Feel free to re-read my post.
Well, I DID re-read your post which says: From: Jillian Callahan
I vote to keep it. It's only a small burden for most, and I'm a big fan of security in front of anything even vaguely monitary
I'm not sure what you intended get across with that, but I STILL interpret it as: "I vote to keep it." = "*you* prefered that...." "I'm a big fan of security" = "... because *you* are all about security". So, if I misunderstood some part, perhaps you can specifically point it out? From: Jillian Callahan
I dig options. I think it should default to having to re-login each time, allowing for those who would use the system more than that would be convenient to chose to stay logged in throughout that session.
Yes, I'd certainly agree with you there!! Gabrielle |
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crucial Armitage
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Join date: 30 Aug 2004
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10-01-2005 17:17
well i just put a order in to sell 20 k then canceled it cause i realized the price i was asking was way high and my inworld account history shows the 2 trans actions but my balance is short the 20 k
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Lawrence Linden
Linden Lab Developer
Join date: 25 Jun 2005
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10-01-2005 17:26
From: Simple Chaos There is a cancel option? I didn't see it. Or is that only if someone has sell orders placed. I wanted to place some sell orders but was worried that if other folks subsequently placed "cheaper" orders for sale below mine, I would be left hanging for a while, so I'm hesitant to place any ATM. Yes, you can cancel your order on the "transaction history" page. Cheers, Lawrence |
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Moonshine Herbst
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Join date: 19 Jun 2004
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10-01-2005 17:28
LindeX needs a logo for branding in-world. We need to get the word out to get enough buyers, and the marketing material should be consistent and official looking. How about a logo contest? And maybe a design contest for an official vendor that opens the browser directly to the buy page?
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Lawrence Linden
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Join date: 25 Jun 2005
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10-01-2005 17:28
From: Aaron Levy A few oddities with the buy Lindens... enter 50,000 L$, then tab down and back up, the numbers jump up and down and finally stabalize at 49,995 @ (at this time) $194.93. I know it has to do with rounding, but if I wanted to buy 50,000 L$, I can't cause it keeps rounding it down.
If I enter 50,001, it rounds it UP to 50,003. Weird. Yeah, that rounding problem is on my todo list. Cheers, Lawrence |
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crucial Armitage
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10-01-2005 17:30
after reloging it now reflects the correct balance
hmm still seems to be a bug there somewhere though
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blaze Spinnaker
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10-01-2005 17:36
From: Moonshine Herbst LindeX needs a logo for branding in-world. We need to get the word out to get enough buyers, and the marketing material should be consistent and official looking. How about a logo contest? And maybe a design contest for an official vendor that opens the browser directly to the buy page? I think we should probably wait for the open beta to finish, to be fair to lawrence. I think he's working on a slightly accelerated schedule here. |
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blaze Spinnaker
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10-01-2005 17:38
I think a minimum sell order should be forced, say for example, 250-1000 L$.
People putting in 1 L$ forces you to check out the expert page to see if it is realistic or not.
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Lawrence Linden
Linden Lab Developer
Join date: 25 Jun 2005
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10-01-2005 17:39
From: Gabrielle Assia Very true...
I can place sell orders just fine... but can't buy:
We are unable to complete your request. •The system encountered an error while processing your order, please try again. The problem that stalled the market is fixed now. Cheers, Lawrence |
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Lo Jacobs
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10-01-2005 17:41
Can someone please let me know how to access this program, or at least *look* at it?
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blaze Spinnaker
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10-01-2005 17:43
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Lawrence Linden
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10-01-2005 17:45
From: Aaron Levy There needs to be market info ON the pages where you are buying and selling, not off on some separate page. I don't like the format -- it actually too simplified. Did you try the advanced mode? If so, what additional information would you like to see? From: Aaron Levy
And why didn't you just stick with the widely-accepted $L1,000 = $X.XXUSD, instead of this really weird L$/US$1.00? I know what it means, but it's really, well, not unintuitive.
We want finer market granularity... same reason why we are not enforcing a minumum trade size. As an aid for the folks who are used to thinking in US$/L$1000 I've temporarily added that figure to the sell page so that if you're transitioning from other markets you'll have an easier time working with L$/US$. Cheers, Lawrence |
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Lawrence Linden
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Join date: 25 Jun 2005
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10-01-2005 17:50
From: crucial Armitage well i just put a order in to sell 20 k then canceled it cause i realized the price i was asking was way high and my inworld account history shows the 2 trans actions but my balance is short the 20 k If you're on a heavily loaded sim it can take a few minutes for the balance update message to find you. Please try reloging in if you're still not seeing the update, and please let me know the end result... if the balance updates are never reaching the viewer I'd like to keep on top of the issue. I don't want people to have to relog. Cheers, Lawrence |
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Tony Tigereye
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10-01-2005 17:51
Trying to place an order to sell L$28,000 at L$285/US$1.00, I get this response:
We are unable to complete your request.
• The system encountered an error while processing your order, please try again.
Trying again results in the same thing.
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Jillian Callahan
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10-01-2005 17:55
From: Gabrielle Assia I'm not sure what you intended get across with that, but I
STILL interpret it as:
"I vote to keep it." = "*you* prefered that...."
"I'm a big fan of security" = "... because *you* are all about security".
So, if I misunderstood some part, perhaps you can
specifically point it out? You're adding to what I said, assuming my reasons. I vote to keep it means... I have reasons to like that feature. I'm a big fan of security in front of monitary transaction means... I have reasons to like security before monitary transactions. (Specifically, I belive people (speaking very generally) are naturally too lax about it and it's good to tack it on for them.) As an Aspie, I don't imply anything... I try to avoid language that does becasue I always screw it up (except the patently obvious stuff...). *shrug* |
