An Out of Control Situation.

The people who call Yucca home are faced with a new challenge that is making their home uninhabitable. Many residents can't even get to their homes anymore. Businesses who reside in the sim are suffering from customers unable to visit them. Lag has spiked up terribly. You would think something that causes this kind of situation must be a problem server or a lot of activity but the problem is quite the opposite. The problem is cause by one single 1024 plot of land. Malicious scripts? Yes, in the form of camping chairs.

One Casino opened in this community on a small lot and holds the entire sim hostage. 47 camping chairs and dance camps in a sim with 50 maxed residents can not spell out anything but trouble. This is an out of control situation. One small minority land owner should not be allowed to dominate a entire sim. People who own much more land should not have to consider moving in order to do business. Something needs to be done about this intolerable situation and it needs to be addressed fast.

If it means zero dwell, so be it. People can't buy popularity except in Second Life it seems. Camping chairs to exploit dwell makes the whole popular places list a complete sham and joke. This has to stop, I don't care if there is a replacement and I feel sorry for the people who actually create fun places to visit, but this exploit is bigger then you, me, or any really popular place. One small land owner can not be allowed to drive people from their homes.

Perhaps dwell should be tied to land size where it reaches a max amount based on the portion of a sim. Hey, if someone wants to own a sim and cover the thing with camping chairs, I don't care. But a small 1024 can not be allowed to dominate and destroy a sim for all its residents. This is not right and it will drive people away from the game. You can not allow exploits like this to flourish, it isn't right. Perhaps it took some one to really push the limits to bring this to peoples attention but it has and it needs fixing now.

I have a store in Yucca....

I personally have not noticed any probs getting into the sim ever - but then again maybe I'm not on during prime time at the casino.

I have noticed Yucca is laggy... but I've always attributed it to the fact that there's lots of little plots on the sim with no breathing room. That's lots of textures that need to be loaded and such. I don't know when that casino moved in but it was laggy before them (maybe not as bad).

There are LOTS of signs rotating on that sim (I today have taken out all my rotations and am working on making the whole place as lag friendly as possible).

So while I don't doubt there are times people can't get onto the sim, I do think the lag experienced there is simply the number of small plots that all have laggy scripts in them.

We have seen little success in that sim (despite it's strong commercial nature) compared to our other sims and will probably be pulling out of there soon to consolodate to our successful locations.

So maybe we should put out a call to our neighbors - asking for the volluntary reduction in unneeded scripting in the hopes that every little bit will help sim performance. If you want to start some kind of a grass roots door to door campaign to raise lag awareness or something in the sim just let me know and we can see what we can do about it.

Hi,

I own 2560M of land in yucca, and am tired of the lag/overpopulation of yucca due to this group owned 1048 m of land. It is not fair, and its not right. We are paying good US dollars a month to have our land, and we should be able to enjoy it. THis casino has 47 camping chairs, many of which, are full almost all the time. This is way more than the region even allows AV's. Please lets find a way to fix this, as it is unfair.

I agree with Loniki on this one....I have lived in Yucca since my first day playing and have accumulated pretty much land there. The camping situation from that one casino is way out of control. I own a store in yucca and have my home there ....yesterday at 2 seperate times I could not even enter Yucca because the region was full. How is that fair for me and other store owners to try to operate a business when we ourselves can not even enter the sim. Imagine not being able to enter your own home!! I dont have a problem with camping items at all and have in fact at one point in the game (when I first started) used them....but when you have so many chairs in one sim I dont feel thats being very neighborly to the rest of the sim of Yucca. Anyone know how many Av's a sim can hold at one time? I have heard 50 and i have also heard 30 from a very reliable source. Either amount the chairs are way out of control on just that one tiny little plot of 1024. Lag was an issue before but being in Yucca everyday I can say it has increased drastically since this casino has been added. I pay good money for my land. $40 plus my monthly fee. Why should I pay for land I cant enter or have customers not being able to enter or have to consider moving my entire store because of a 1024 lot overflowing with camping chairs and dance pads that most people are sitting afk on? And Loniki and I are not alone on this issue...many citizens of Yucca agree with this.

Enyo is affected in the same way.

Many residents have their land for sale now, which will be hard to sell with the full sim situation. There hasn't been lag that I am aware of, but the full sim happens quite often.

The same thing has happened to Chong, a once quiet sim of folks just building nice houses and landscaping, then a sex club moved in, with so many god damn pose balls, it's laggin' everyone. Not to mention the clientele that frequents this club, many are newbs who just got a new dick and a new weapon, and they've attacked me and my neighbors on our own land. Great. Forcing us to purchase security systems, and to build huge walls to obstruct our once nice views, to hide these new eye-sores.

Shouldn't there be like zoning laws, I couldn't open a sex club, casino, or mall anywhere I want in rl, why can we in sl? Oh, it's freedom and creativity and metaverse, and all that crap, right? What if I just started lighting off huge particle bombs and ran tons of pointless scripts all day on my land, laggin' everyone in the sim? Would that be ok? It'd be the same thing.

Now I may be forced to sell and move away, what fun.

When we turn players into afk zombies in camping chairs or dance pods, we have to set limits to how many. This should be based on land size. If someone wants to own a sim, fine, let them do as they want. This simply is not the case in Yucca and it is owned by all the people who live in the sim. We all pay for its usage and we all should share its resources. One small 1024 lot should not dominate the sim to the point where residents can not enter or conduct business. Saturday I had three guests and we could not enter the sim. I own over 3000m in yucca and can't have three guests over while a 1024 a lot away has over 30 on it?

Question:

If you all didn't want the possibility of a laggy neighbor, why didn't you buy this land? You can't expect someone else who's paying for the land you didn't want to pay for to sacrafice their SL experience for the sake of your own. They pay their SL bill too.

No one is expecting them to sacrafice their experience....we are asking they be courteous to their Yucca neighbors who also pay their bills, and I really do not think having them limit the camping chairs some is asking such a big sacrafice on their part.

Shaun, they pay for a 1024... Your point? Are you saying we are suppose to buy an entire sim in order to prevent a 1024 land owner from overwhelming the sim? I am missing your point... Are you justifying the use of camping chairs to exploit the dwell system? There are plenty of people in Yucca that own 512s, 1024s, and even larger lands. Are you saying we should all install camping chairs? Are you saying that we will derive enjoyment from camping chairs? That it is in our best interest of enjoyment to install camping chairs and we are missing out on all the fun the owner of the casino is having?

I think you should clarify your point on how a single 1024 plot owner should be allowed to make a sim unusable to the vast majority of users in that sim. The justification of a 1/64 owner of a sim dominating 90% of its resources.

Before calling for an end to dwell, let's see whether killing DI actually helps.

If not, then try scaling dwell first. less dwell from Basics, more from Premiums, more for landowners and Lindex users.

Basic: 1/10th point
Premium: 1 point
4096 or more tier, or officer in group with 4096 or more land: +1 point
Buy 5000/month or more on Lindex: +1 point

For this situation, quota on avs per parcel:

Full sim: 50
1/2 sim: 35
1/4 sim: 25
1/8 sim: 20
1/16 sim or less: 15

That's high enough you're not likely to run out in normal use (which is why the limits are higher than a 1:1 land/av ratio), but someone needs to buy a significant amount of land to lag the sim badly.

What did they say when you asked them privately?

I just took a look at this place myself.

I hate this sort of thing - all these people sitting around, some apparently dancing, but not a word, not a single sign of life. Dozens of people just dead there.

Virtual poison, if you ask me; if people want to do that sort of thing in their own sim, fine, but on the main grid where other people are affected....

Hiya elgregochickenluva There is a nice spot opening up in my sim, and you know how nice it is. I'll see if it is still available tonite. Get out of Chong while you can! *hugz*

Fact is dwell means nothing anymore and popular places is a complete sham exploited by camping. Instead of a system to reward people for creating interesting content that people want to see, its become a system of rewarding exploiters. Its all a big pile of steaming bantha poo and needs to be removed to close a loophole of exploitation. I will gladly give up my daily dwell to see this "great idea that was too easily exploited" put to rest. I think SL will be a better place as a result. Either that or keep dwell and remove the exploits. Outlaw camping. There are places in the Popular Places list that deserve to be there and there is a majority that don't.

I have Imed each of the Group Officers individually and have not heard back anything yet

My point is that people have the right to use their land as they see fit.



This is the way that the system works. If you want all of a sim's resources to yourself, you must buy a sim. It's not that I can't sympathize, it's just the way it is. I recently had a similar situation in a sim I own land in, except in reverse. It was the 1024 owners jumping all over me as the majority owner for using a lot of CPU time. Every land owner, big or small, is at this point entitled to as much CPU time as they want.



Personally I'd like to see dwell eliminated today, right this moment, along with all other forms of welfare dispersals. What I want has nothing to do with how the system works though. My point is that this is simply how things are, and it is pretty out of line (in my view) to air these personal greivences in a public forum, rather than either working it out with your neighbor or moving.



Now you're just being silly.



See above. Under the current system any land owner is entitled to as much CPU time as they desire. It's the way that SL works. It's a good way too as it requires people to interact and co-exist cooperatively. What did your neighbor say when you attempted to cooperate? Have you offered to buy their land or swap them for a 1024 somewhere else? Have you thought of moving somewhere else? Have you really exhausted all options except for comming to a public forum to bash your neighbors and scream that "SOMEONE should DO SOMETHING!" I think you should do something yourself.

You likely won't hear back either if they're forum readers.

I kinda doubt you will hear back either, except for a "We Own the land" If people like this want to have land where they can av it out so even the people who live there can't go home, then they need to fork out the $ for their own sim. It's not fair that the other residents cannot even go home because of lame ass camping chairs and the people in them.

Some people have a lot to learn about respecting others in their sim. I swear I will never move from where I am because everyone is very considerate and keeps to a nice naturistic theme in my sim.

Ordinal, a even bigger tavesty is that pit of dead is now on the "Most Popular Places" in SL list. Can you believe that? Isn't that just something everyone in SL just has to see? Its a big joke. A disgrace to SL and everything this game is suppose to stand for. People think this is a social game and all they have to do is go to this afk graveyard to see different. Popular place... a really sad commentary of SL, that is what it is. Perhaps the most popular places list name should be changed to the armpit of SL.

Kind of on a tangent, but mostly related:

I wonder why LL hasn't made "camping" illegal yet and cracked down just because people (mostly basics who won't pay LL a dime) are circumventing the inactivity logout and consuming bandwidth 24/7 when they're only actively using the network maybe 1/7. It does seem kind of like slapping LL in the face and punishing them for offering free network access in the first place. It's strange that LL doesn't find this rude. Then again, it does boost the "users online" number on the home page I guess.

Shaun, you contradict yourself. You clearly state that: "This is the way that the system works. If you want all of a sim's resources to yourself, you must buy a sim". But then you stick up for a 1024 land owner who didn't buy a sim and wants all the sim resources to themself. Sorry but you can't have it both ways. Fact is if push comes to shove, I could use all my 3000m of prims and scripts to make life a living hell in this sim. I could easily use way more resources that this 1024 casina could ever use. I don't do that as I am a good neighbor but there limits and people who push the limits of others sometimes find themselfs being pushed back.

I don't contradict myself at all. I state that this is how it is, because this is how it is. I state that it's pretty nasty of you to air this laundry in a public forum rather than working privately and peacefully with your neighbor or moving, because it is. I then ponder why the system might be how it is. None of this is contradictary, and I don't want anything both ways. In fact I've not taken a position either way (edit: other than to say that generally the CPU alocation system is good as it causes you to have to interact socially and work together), alongside of the welfare issue.

Also, getting into a script war with your neighbor is not a better option than trying to work with them peacefully with your neighbor. He does not need 3000m of prims, he needs only one prim with 50,000 scripts in it all trying to calculate PI or something if he wishes to counter attack your greifing.

I've been a long-term customer of Loniki Loudon. I bought my very first home from her, and all subsequent homes and a lot of furniture too. Her store in Yucca was never laggy before. Now? It was horrible this morning. On the mini-map I could see the pulsating green blob of zombies camped out, dragging the sim into Lagsville.

Perhaps some zoning is needed here? I think it would be hard to enforce though.

The only solution I can see is get rid of the damn camping chairs. Pay free players 5 Lindens a day or some such.

And Shaun, what point are you trying to make here, exactly? More to the point... if you were Loniki or one of the others suffering because of this, and your efforts to contact and work with the casino were rebuffed and/or ignored, what exactly would you do? I am very curious to hear your answer, as I may soon be facing the same thing in my home sim as Loniki is now in hers.

I have found Loniki Loudon to be a very nice, reasonable, easy-going person who makes really cool stuff. She would not be raising a fuss here if there were not good reason.

I wonder how many alts of the camping chair owners are camping out

/me ducks out