What about the poor people with no talent?

I'm not arguing with that. But what I am rather tired of hearing is "get a job" in Second Life. Why should they? This is a service that a consumer pays for and as such is they want to sit on their lazy asses and do nothing then they should be able to.

And if everyone did know how to script, build and master photoshop, then the content creators wouldn't be needed anymore, (as i stated in another thread, sorry for the redundancy)

Agreed 100% on that one. But there's two sides to that coin. SL is and has always stated that SL was explicitly a member-content-created system. LL provides the architecture, sims and the platform upon which the members create the content. Yes, the member can elect to not lift a finger and do a thing, but the only expectation they have from LL is a connectivity and land to look at. LL made no promises or guarantee of anything more than that.



That's a bit of a self-negating line of logic there. If everyone was a creator, then no creators are needed, etc etc.

The thing about SL is that what a person gets out of it is nearly always going to be commensurate to the amount of investment one makes in it - be it time, content, scripts, socializing, etc. There is no such thing as a need for a job in SL, but neither do the members in SL who expend effort creating content have any obligation to share it with those who elect to sit and do nothing.

In a perfect world, creators of content would share all their works happily, without any expectation of monetary remuneration, and there'd be no need for L$. But even SL isn't a perfect world. Many want to see those L$ in their account as a reflection of the effort involved in creating SL content, which also means people need money to spend to buy other's content.

What a person gets out of SL all depends on what they put into it. If that means one wishes to pay their monthly fee and nothing more, then their expectation is only for ability to connect and a sim to look at.

Then again, if one is only looking for a 'game'....perhaps World of Warcraft of EverQuest 2 might be more to your liking.

I don't post much on the forums, but I thought this was interesting enough to post about.

The economical changes have me puzzled.. Although I don't fully agree or disagree yet because I never fully understand something until I have seen it with my own eyes over a long period of time.. I am wondering what will become of people who log on to SL primarily to socialize with their friends?

Let me explain. I know of some people who, with these changes, will NOT be able to afford a fun experience on SL. Myself included because honestly I don't have the kind of talent that's needed for these changes to draw in much income. In fact I am currently depending on the stipend bonuses to make any kind of 'living'. And that bonus is already very low as I don't get many ratings or have many visitors to my land. (maybe L$200 total income a week?)

Now if ratings are going to cost people L$25 a rate, how many people do you think are going to rate a stranger at that price? Yeah I agree the rating prices should be higher than L$1, but L$25 is a little overkill. So down goes my stipend bonus even more. Catch my drift?

So okay these changes are fabulous for people who have the talent to create amazing content they can sell and use for events, but there is a lot of us who don't have the skills.

Is SL really all about building and competition of content? What about the people who just come to hang out with friends and goof off and laugh over their dumb deformed builds and avatars? People who like to shop for gadgets made by others? Surely not everyone depends on building for fun in SL.

Now for the rant!

If the economy for SL is clubs and junky content then I'm sorry, that's the way the players apparently want it. You can't just force people to change the way they do things. If you want better content then people have to find it in themselves to make the change. Education and better documentation of the tools would be a start, because quite honestly, the current documentation sucks.

I'm more puzzled by this than anything.

yes i agree. they are paying these fees.

subscription fees guarantees a stipend. it guarantees a minimal income that is counter balanced by content creators uploads (and photo taking) as well as by growth - ie addition of land. if growth slowed down, stipends would have to be cut, or devaluation would occur even if decline in per capita consumerism did not change. (perhaps growth has slowed down?)

Excellent post, Newfie.

The fact is, you DONT need money to play second life. But if you want to participate in more than the purely social side, whether as a retailer or consumer of any kind, then the fact is you need money. But then... why should that be free to those that want to have their cake and eat it?

I hate to break it to you all, but at 9.95 lifetime, Linden Labs is LOSING (let me say it again L O S I N G) money on these accounts.

that was a stygian edit, ingrid!



i formally accuse you of cozying up to your consumer market!

if i see a kool object in sl i dont waste my cash, i try to build it 1st, saves alota cash if i can make it

What are people complaining about exactly?
Lesser need to hunt rates = more time to socialise.
Lesser need to hunt rates = less incentive to only visit the crowded clubs = more time to explore the world.
Lesser need to hunt rates = good.

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I agree with all this.

My little rant want about people who try to tell others what to do in their second life. I find it irksome.

I agree with all this.

My little rant want about people who try to tell others what to do in their second life. I find it irksome.

regardless of how you feel ingrid, GTs are disgusting and odd and should not be used.

Then it's LL's responsibilty to fix that.

Shut up and go build a couch! NOW!

and theY took the first step today with the new version release!.

They increased the subscription fee?

yes! now sl is only for the rich. or so i heard in ahern yesterday. so i guess the fee must be 50 USD a month or something for a basic account.

okay smarty pants, now what were you REALLY referring to?

It's 11:11 AM PST. LL says they will be down till 1:00 PM.

Two more hours of mendaculous bickering, LOL.

Hurry up LL!

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