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Horatio Tyne
FIC= Fascist Inner Core
Join date: 25 Jun 2005
Posts: 45
07-20-2005 01:05
From: Kim Anubis
Dude, if you're going to continue to equate pretend guns in a computer simulation and real guns that kill people in order to distract from criticism of your own actions, I'm not wasting my time trying to have a discussion with you. Not unless you dress your av in clownshoes and stream your routine as live audio done in a Richard Nixon voice.


WTF??? Again, context. All I've done is resell items I acquired at an auction/ yard sale, totally within the TOS. I'm promoting commerce, she's promoting guns, guns aren't my thing but do you here me complain as you people are complaining against me?? And here's another thing, who died and made you ppl the curators of SL ethics? The guns, drugs and porn argument goes back to the ethics issue as well: your saying that I'm bad for reselling items, something that your Marx manifesto's obviously don't allow, and yet you turn a blind eye to all the other stuff in SL, things that most normal people would find morally corrupt. But then again, youre not normal are you. Your problems are: you need to get a real life, not a second life.
Horatio Tyne
FIC= Fascist Inner Core
Join date: 25 Jun 2005
Posts: 45
07-20-2005 01:22
Wonderful another range of neg ratings through the email whilst I cant get in world from the communist ruling class of Second Life. Tell you what, I'm going to drop all my items this evening my time, and replace them with T-Shirts that read "F OFF COMMIES" and "I'LL SELL WHAT EVER THE F I LIKE"
Kim Anubis
The Magician
Join date: 3 Jun 2004
Posts: 921
07-20-2005 01:39
From: someone
your saying that I'm bad for reselling items


I didn't voice any opinion at all about you reselling items. Perhaps you've confused me with someone else. I only commented on your offtopic, inappropriate, ridiculous personal attacks on another poster.

From: someone
your Marx manifesto's obviously don't allow


All us Marxists got together yesterday to post some grandiose pro-capitalist stuff in another thread just to mislead you, but I guess you didn't notice.

From: someone
yet you turn a blind eye to all the other stuff in SL, things that most normal people would find morally corrupt


To what do I turn a blind eye? I never said. You're psychic, eh?

From: someone
But then again, youre not normal are you.


I'm superior. ;)

From: someone
Your problems are: you need to get a real life, not a second life.


The breathtaking originality and insight distilled into this pithy quote make it almost as good as clownshoes.

As much as I'm enjoying our chat, this has gotten way off topic, and I don't want to make more work for Jeska and Co. or they'll take away my FIC badge. Besides, I think I've already learned about as much about your views as I need to know. Have fun under your bridge there, sonny.
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Horatio Tyne
FIC= Fascist Inner Core
Join date: 25 Jun 2005
Posts: 45
07-20-2005 02:07
From: Kim Anubis
I didn't voice any opinion at all about you reselling items. Perhaps you've confused me with someone else. I only commented on your offtopic, inappropriate, ridiculous personal attacks on another poster.


Hey, I was the one under attack here, all for re-selling stuff I bought that allowed transfer ,remember. Sure, a bit over the top on the rebuttal, but I'm being negged all over the place and I cant even get in world at the moment, and yet NO ONE has yet actually shown me what items are free so I can remove them to cut the is crap out and get on with other things.


From: Kim Anubis

All us Marxists got together yesterday to post some grandiose pro-capitalist stuff in another thread just to mislead you, but I guess you didn't notice.

Perhaps you haven't read some of the other posts here. Sorry if your not that way inclined, but others in this thread clearly are. You know, don't sell stuff because selling is evil and we should all read marx and create for the greater good sort of people. Having said this my apologies, it was unfair of my to lump you with the others.



From: Kim Anubis
To what do I turn a blind eye? I never said. You're psychic, eh?

Again, perhaps more the others, but the point I'll make again is that I'm getting crucified here for reselling items I've purchased and attempting to be part of the whole SL experience, and yet I can find XXX rated porn within walking distance of the starting point for newbies, clearly in breach of the TOS that I'll point out also demeans women. Again, context, I apologise if you do get it, because others don't.



From: Kim Anubis
I'm superior. ;)

You win, I give up. Apologies to you, and apologies for going over the top.
Sunshine Clio
Easily Amused
Join date: 21 Nov 2004
Posts: 160
07-20-2005 02:20
From: Horatio Tyne
<snip> and yet NO ONE has yet actually shown me what items are free so I can remove them to cut the is crap out and get on with other things.



I mentioned in my earlier posts 2 locations that have a large number of free things so you could see which items. If you'd like I can give the specific landmarks.
I don't have a lot more time online, but if you see this in the next couple minutes and want to TP me I'll log in and see if I can point out the items that I recognize. As long as it
doesn't involve a discussion as I am far too tired for one. :)

-Sun
Horatio Tyne
FIC= Fascist Inner Core
Join date: 25 Jun 2005
Posts: 45
07-20-2005 03:50
From: Sunshine Clio
I mentioned in my earlier posts 2 locations that have a large number of free things so you could see which items. If you'd like I can give the specific landmarks.
I don't have a lot more time online, but if you see this in the next couple minutes and want to TP me I'll log in and see if I can point out the items that I recognize. As long as it
doesn't involve a discussion as I am far too tired for one. :)

-Sun


Hi Sun
thanks for your kind offer, makes a change from some who criticize without even attempting to be proactive and assisting, next time I see you own I'll take you up on it.
Horatio Tyne
FIC= Fascist Inner Core
Join date: 25 Jun 2005
Posts: 45
07-20-2005 18:35
Last thoughts, I promise
I was wrong on some of these people being communists, so I apologise, having done some research I note the harshest critics are actually in the selling business themselves, and as somebody else has pointed out to me, protection of self-interest involving trade where others a prosecuted to protect power is actually more representative of fascism as opposed to communism, which makes sense, Hitler killed the jews and some of you want to kill newbies, makes a lot of sense. Fetered inner core or Fascist inner core???

PS: all alleged "free items" have been removed after a request from the landlord. Unlike a lot of you she asked nicely. Perhaps manners aren't part of your ethics either?
Ellie Edo
Registered User
Join date: 13 Mar 2005
Posts: 1,425
07-20-2005 19:27
It really is sad that all this trouble, aggression, unhappiness (and probably now lasting antagonism) arises just because we lack a "not for resale" permission.

I did ask before - has anyone posted a feature request so that those of you who want it can vote for it ?

I don't really want to put it up for vote myself. It would be hypocritical, as I am opposed to unsellable items circulating at all outside an extended version of a Linden supplied freebie pack, put into the hands of every newbie, maybe via the inventory, with competition for inclusion.

Is there some reason why those of you so strongly in favor of allowing creators this extra control don't want it to be done technically, but prefer to rely on social pressure, moral injunction, and newbie telepathy ?

I don't understand why you aren't clamoring for a permissions change instead of letting it all get so unfriendly here. And setting such items "no transfer" meanwhile.
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
07-20-2005 19:34
From: Horatio Tyne
Last thoughts, I promise
I was wrong on some of these people being communists, so I apologise, having done some research I note the harshest critics are actually in the selling business themselves, and as somebody else has pointed out to me, protection of self-interest involving trade where others a prosecuted to protect power is actually more representative of fascism as opposed to communism, which makes sense, Hitler killed the jews and some of you want to kill newbies, makes a lot of sense. Fetered inner core or Fascist inner core???

PS: all alleged "free items" have been removed after a request from the landlord. Unlike a lot of you she asked nicely. Perhaps manners aren't part of your ethics either?


Wow, you're comparing those who disagree with you to Hitler and their conduct to the wholesale slaughter of millions of human lives. We're dealing with a real winner here. Believe me, my friend, I don't think anyone is worried about you putting them out of business by selling the free Linden tuxedo.

It's in bad form to explicitly invoke Godwin's Law, but I've never seen a more clear-cut case on the SL forums.
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Horatio Tyne
FIC= Fascist Inner Core
Join date: 25 Jun 2005
Posts: 45
07-20-2005 20:12
From: Enabran Templar
Wow, you're comparing those who disagree with you to Hitler and their conduct to the wholesale slaughter of millions of human lives. We're dealing with a real winner here. Believe me, my friend, I don't think anyone is worried about you putting them out of business by selling the free Linden tuxedo.

It's in bad form to explicitly invoke Godwin's Law, but I've never seen a more clear-cut case on the SL forums.


Then explain the absurdity and the depth of hatred aimed at me who has done nothing more than resell an item purchased at a yard sale? Tell me, did you pick on African Americans and Jews when you were a child as well, or torture small animals?

Why continually harass me, inworld and off? The jackboot tactics of yourself and your friends in defacing the top of my shop with Communist symbols and constantly negatively rating me? Well Jack boot Enabran? Godwin's law my rear end, its just that I was giving you too many compliments in calling you communists when your clearly not. Kill the newbies so we can keep the whole of SL for our selves is where your coming from.
Horatio Tyne
FIC= Fascist Inner Core
Join date: 25 Jun 2005
Posts: 45
07-20-2005 20:14
From: Ellie Edo
It really is sad that all this trouble, aggression, unhappiness (and probably now lasting antagonism) arises just because we lack a "not for resale" permission.

I did ask before - has anyone posted a feature request so that those of you who want it can vote for it ?

I don't really want to put it up for vote myself. It would be hypocritical, as I am opposed to unsellable items circulating at all outside an extended version of a Linden supplied freebie pack, put into the hands of every newbie, maybe via the inventory, with competition for inclusion.

Is there some reason why those of you so strongly in favor of allowing creators this extra control don't want it to be done technically, but prefer to rely on social pressure, moral injunction, and newbie telepathy ?

I don't understand why you aren't clamoring for a permissions change instead of letting it all get so unfriendly here. And setting such items "no transfer" meanwhile.


Ellie, wonderful, constructive observations, you're a credit to Second Life, reason and common sense.
Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
07-20-2005 20:18
From: Horatio Tyne
Then explain the absurdity and the depth of hatred aimed at me who has done nothing more than resell an item purchased at a yard sale? Tell me, did you pick on African Americans and Jews when you were a child as well, or torture small animals?

Why continually harass me, inworld and off? The jackboot tactics of yourself and your friends in defacing the top of my shop with Communist symbols and constantly negatively rating me? Well Jack boot Enabran? Godwin's law my rear end, its just that I was giving you too many compliments in calling you communists when your clearly not. Kill the newbies so we can keep the whole of SL for out selves is where your coming from.


Wow, this gets more and more impressive. What else have you got?
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Horatio Tyne
FIC= Fascist Inner Core
Join date: 25 Jun 2005
Posts: 45
07-20-2005 20:20
Nothing more, other than to be left alone by yourself and the rest of the fascist inner core you represent, both in world and out.
Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
07-20-2005 20:41
From: Horatio Tyne
Nothing more, other than to be left alone by yourself and the rest of the fascist inner core you represent, both in world and out.


YGIM
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From: Hiro Pendragon
Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.


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Horatio Tyne
FIC= Fascist Inner Core
Join date: 25 Jun 2005
Posts: 45
07-20-2005 21:11
From: Enabran Templar
YGIM


Just got your IM message through my email, again, once somebody actually assisted in pointing out which items were in dispute (as opposed to just neg rating me), and once my lovely landlord asked me nicely to remove them I did. See, being polite actally works Enabran, I suggest you give lessons to your cohorts in the FIC. However, I do thank you for taking back your neg rating. Lets call it quits for now, but I'd like to whip your rear one day in one of those great cars over on the Tahiti International Racing Track, now that would be fun.

lol.
Roberta Dalek
Probably trouble
Join date: 21 Oct 2004
Posts: 1,174
07-20-2005 22:53
From: Horatio Tyne
in defacing the top of my shop with Communist symbols and constantly negatively rating me?


Did some low life actually deface his shop?

Are people really that stupid? Have some people yet to leave primary school?
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Jeska Linden
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Join date: 26 Jul 2004
Posts: 2,388
07-21-2005 10:06
This thread has derailed into personal attacks and as such is being closed.
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