New Proposal for Restricted Space exemption for boats

Ok its starting to get annoying all this "restricted" space not on access list. more and more anywhere I go I am bumping into this darned walls.

OK I fly over them. but here is the problem. what happens when I want to FLOAT by them. I worked long and hard to get a place on the water. so I could use a boat to lazily "roam" second life. its relaxing fun and immersive.

Problem more and more I bump into these stinking walls of no access. there are 2 issues that need to be fixed.

ONE I would like an exception made for waterways. just like I can FLY through restricted air space if I am high enough I should be able to FLOAT through restricted space on water (make so I have to stay on the water this is fine) I just want to be able to float through.

TWO big problems when a BOAT goes into restricted space (making it near useless to use boats in nasty spaces) the BOAT is permitted in the space I AM NOT (see where I am going with this) so 75% of the boat goes INTO this space THEN I "see" the red Q wall THEN I HIT the wall.

Now if I am flying i just bounce but since I am in a vehicle (sailboat) its ALREADY in the space thats restricted weird things happen.

First I get thrown from the boat and the boat goes poof somewhere (sometimes I get it back sometimes I don't and can have a 5 minute to several hour wait for it to be returned to me)

as I am flung from the boat I have even been ping pong from wall to wall as it tries to "bounce" me to an unrestricted space. VERY annoying and totally destroys any semblance of relaxation and enjoyment and immersion.

Then I have to "GET" the boat back FIND a place that will let me drop it and then TRY to navigate the mine field (mind yu the sailboat is VERY slow but the time frame from when I get warned (IE I can see the Q wall) till I can STOP the boat and me from hitting it is nerve rackingly fast its like navigating a mine field.

Allow free passage to boats on waterways. if you leave your boat and try to land your bounced. ie say you got 10 seconds to either vacate or get back in the boat (this will fix it for when you sometimes "stand up" on your boat involuntarily (bug I guess)

This would go SO far into making SL enjoyable on the water.

I say all restrictions should only be active if the owner is on the property. That way you can ask for passaged threw the land. One if by sea, Two if by land, Three if air. .

Except often an owner has friends/roommates and alot of land is rented.

No go.

How about just go around the banned area (suck it up its their land and they can block you)?

A better one though: if you're banned/restricted from a land area then, instead of running into an invisible wall when you try to enter it, you warp over to the opposite side. You still can't get in, but you can fly around freely.

Now that, Yumi, is the best idea for a solution that i've heard so far.

Being a water land owner I like Yumi's idea. Also being a boat person I like yumi's idea.

You can't have a timer cause you need to take into account sim crossings. Big issue where I live and have 15 meter of linden water between me and sim edge so people hit our wall ALOT! If we take it down though we have yacht's in our living room and jetskis in our play rooms.

You can't do anything owner triggered cause of group land. Even then it would be annoying to the end user to authorize people.

I like the "magical TP" idea cause it lets them move on with little issue. I just wonder what lag it might create.

but that is only really useful if your flying and its already fixed IE your "restricted airspace" only extends to some AGL above that you can fly freely and its not that high.

I am just talking about water.

as I already typed its NOT EASY to get around these since many times I hit them BEFORE I see them in time to STOP and the distance I need to be to SEE the Q wall is so small that its tedious in extreme.

Its especially problematic when they are MANY and you have to try and navigate around them OR when they BLOCK the way all together

I just want a water exemption thats all. make it so I have to stay on the water so people can not use it to get around the restricted space.

Its also annoying when you get "restricted spaces" around your own land its almost as bad as having freaking sky scrapers.

Lindens need to come up with a solution for all this restricted space but I am not sure how to solve that as it would be very complex I imagine.

but the waterway exemption would go a long way to fixing that and making SL more enjoyable. I really love sailing around. Very relaxing see the sights and just navigate the waterways. but as more and more Q walls go up it gets harder and harder to do and enjoy this

I also think UNUSED LAND should not be restrictable. I hate when am EMPTY PLOT is Q walled. very annoying and without purpose.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

FYI although still annoying I don't MIND running into the wall and bouncing off - the problem is when your in a BOAT it does not work like it should (go try it

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

What I find 'annoying' is boat owners who come and bump into my building on the ocean (not locked to public access) , don't know where the 'reverse' key is or something and just abandon it. Since its not 'technically' on my land I can't eject it with out-return.

This is most likely the reason some have deceided 'we dont wanr your boat around'

See my issue with that stopped with my latest build and um...my land neighbor is worse with thier prims. He com esin maybe once amonth to return stuff and suto return is off.

The problem isn't that I can't back up, but that I've been thrown six sims away and 40,000 meters underground, with my control keys locked and three unstoppable unwanted animations playing. Meanwhile my vehicle might be where I was dumped, or it could be derezzed, or thrown six sims away in the opposite direction. Sometimes it's not there when I go to pick it up, but reappears anywhere from 5 minutes to 24 hours later, judging by when it gets autoreturned.

If you want this situation fixed, nag LL to fix the many broken vehicle features. Traveling across sim borders into full parcels, no-fly parcels, no-script parcels, and no-object-enter parcels are all supposed to work; all are catastrophically broken. Being stopped at the borders of banned parcels is broken whether or not you're crossing a sim border.

OK, the restrictions are ignored unless any avatar on the "permitted" list is on the property?

With this caveat, I'd even consider suggesting that ban lines go up to 768 meters, since they'll only have an effect when they have a reason for existing, AND there's an indication on the mini-map (the green dot) to let you know to be careful.

How about you get orbited every time you cross a sim border and the land on the other side of the border is (invisibly, as is the case) access controlled? That's what people using vehicles have to put up with. The current implementation of access controls is so bad, and so abusive, that it needs a complete rethink. Since that's not likely to happen, some variant of Guy's proposal would help imensely.

I live on properties with lots of water for sailing ( Anshe's Dreamland ). Here it IS forbidden to have the ban lines up when the owner in fact isn't ON the property. People don't care though. They put the bans on anyway, and even the Dreamland staff (while a million times better than LL staff) don't have time to check everything all the time.

Sometimes, I want ban lines around my ocean-property. I was worried I'd forget them up when I logged off though. I thought to myself. Hey, I'll make a script with a repeating timer. When I leave, it'll drop the access lines automatically. Then I find that LL hasn't provided that functionality for scripters! I mean wtf? Why not? There is no way to automate it!

I think many ban lines are up for a simple reason: Land owners have no <beep>ing clue the ban lines are up in the first place! They forgot about it!

I'm a sailor too, and the constant "parcel full" and access denied problems are a royal pain in the ass! The only way you can guard yourself is if you manually check the access settings of every parcel before you sail into it. It's NOT a viable solution.

Something needs to be bloody done. Ban lines are up as a result of people's desperate search for privacy - something that LL so far has shown absolutely ZERO interest in providing, despite new threads with new solutions being posted over and over and over and over and over and...

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Hey Gang,

I really like the dialogue it definately gives different views a chance to be heard. I would like on the mainland to also see the major water ways or at least SOME of the major water ways open like Linden road ways are free to travel. I also see the point of owning water front as I do in a private sim at Rainbow Sands. The cov. there states that all water in the sim must be left open so I use a security Orb for my home and land area's that seems to work very well.

I don't know how many times my sail boat has been ripped in to different pieces because of security and not being able to see before collision whit land that is restricted but I have been flying about on many water ways that the buildings are not in the water so if SL just did a right of way on certian water ways that allowed passage from and to larger bodies of lakes and oceans that would make sailing/Boating much more enjoyable. Rainbow Sands where my resi is they provide oceans for us in the adjoinging sims which makes it really nice (there is space for sale and rent if your looking ROFL)

Thanks for the info on the Air Space as I was wondering at what levels were free for roaming with out hitting no access lands and getting booted.

Turn on property lines when you are boating. On the mainland, Linden Land runs down the middle of the waterways and covers whole sims with water. You can boat almost anywhere except the dams I found today in Sutherland and Sugarloaf.

Oh yes, another gaping hole in the system that can't be fixed by changing the way chat focus works and other fun stuff.

Bah, enjoyment! It's MY fake water and you can keep your fake boat out of it!

*rages incoherently at you*

Its their land and water. Obviously don't want others on it. Respect that, or you're just an arrogant s.o.b.



How about any avatar that is in the group is online? Makes it true to the group land name and concept. They don't want boaters there, they don't have to let them on.

Orbitted it better than lagged out til I hit -2k + on some direction..which is ANY sim crossing nowadays. Fix those simcrossings THEN we'll discuss ban lines/access control.

If I buy a house on the water in say palm beach do I own the water? can i restrict people from being on it? NO i can keep them off my land but not the water same rules should apply.Or LL should make a track of water like a water road so boats can't leave the track,and enter someones property.can you stop an airplane or a boat from going past or over your property for real? so why should you be able to in SL.

Technically you can own the water (IRL). Ussually not very much (10 feet?) and also ussually not deep enough for most boats. Depends on where you are and what the actual property line is.

O_O

I can remember long ago, it seems like yesterday. You could sail your boat for miles and miles up in the northeast mainland. There’s a Welcome Area up there now, always was. I hear tell the Lindens have a nice village in the area. Just can’t seem to find enough stable days in world to go check it out.

Back in the day, 2nd life was so much fun. There was more to 2nd life back then than just sex and money. Every thing seemed so brand new. You had a lot better chance of making an idea work without the constant lag issues.

I would rush home from work and get an hour of flying in. I had gotten pretty good at one point. We would have dog fights. Chubby*** would hold dog fighting contests events. I had a close group of flying buddies.

Exploring was an activity. People would come by claiming and believing they were the next Louis and Clark explorers. I had even found a few places myself. The owners had build a nice place but seldom came online so it was your place until they caught you in it. When they did finally catch you, you would rave about how nice a place it was, and most of the time it was.

I would meet a newbie and take them flying for an hour or so. Maybe even meet a new lady newbie who would think the world of me before the day was done. That’s all changed now. Wonder if we will ever see it again?

I’m tired of kicking the Lindens, so I’ll just end this with a warm Happy Valentine Day to everybody!

Yeah, it doesn't quite relieve the frustration that it used to.
It's become a chore.

Hey banking lewis - how about reading my damned post before shoving your foot deep inside your mouth.

in the REAL world we have public access to OPEN water ways.

if you have a LAKE on your land then its YOUR water lock and stock. but if the water covers MORE than just your land then its in most cases "publically" accessable

No I can not come ashore and have fun on your land or even dock next to it but I can certaintly legally morally and properly "pass through"

but clearly you did not read my post for you would have seen the part where I have no problem with the outright banning even if I would prefer to be able to pass through. THE PROBLEM IS WHAT FRAKING HAPPENS when I hit this invisible Q wall.

When I am flying I just "bounce" and it says no entry or some such. I bounce along the wall till I find the edges and go on my way.

in a BOAT that is NOT how it works. the BOAT is permitted ENTRY (at this point I still do not VISIBLY see the Q wall)

as my AVATAR approaches the wall I "NOTICE" it but now its almost ALWAYS too late to actually STOP (keep in mind I am in a VERY slow sail boat not a speed boat)

NOW we have a problem. My avatar is encountering a wall it can not pass but technically I have already partially passed the wall unchallenged (the boat)

in an ideal world I would bounce off and work my way around

in THIS world my avatar goes flinging who knows what direction who knows how far while the boat goes poof or flings off in another direction who knows which way who knows how far.

In the real world this would be equivalent to me driving along and 1second before I hit a barrier line the BARRIER materializes and an ejection seat rezzes in my car ejects me 5 miles east and an IED blows and flings my car who knows where.

ALSO Q walls should not be permitted to TOTALL block passage there should be a GAP between then to allow me to move along and go on my way. JUST like in real life.

EVEN IF it can not do this it should at least STOP ME without throwing me orbital and my boat who knows where.

THEN once I finally figure out where I am figure out where my boat is FIGURE OUT where this blocked land is and FIND the other end I have to HOPE I can actually PLACE my boat for I might now be in a no build area.

If you brain can not process this issue logically just go away please.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

In the real world your boat doesn't take up my prims or autoreturn my house.

The real world doesn't apply here.

My land. My prims. My access.

If you cannot logically apply that, leave.