What has ruined my SL thusfar

Do you think that you would be the only one to turn on this option? If there was a 'disable scripts on me' option it might as well be default on, because I can guarantee almost everyone will enable it.

The first time some new player gets hassled or playfully pushed around he will say 'god damn what the hell was that' and gladly turn that on. What would make him turn it back off?

And as Chef said, scripts would be only the first step. Next people would clamour to disable physics on themselves. Where would it stop?

And as for it decreasing the power of LSL, well, what good is having the best paints money can buy if you are painting for a bunch of blind people? I wouldnt even waste my time, actually.

No, you addressed the fact that in your opinion removing the ability for scripts to have effects on me was not the end of griefing, which is true. However, not an answer to the question as posed.



See? You are still talking about how others can grief me in other ways.




I dont HAVE to "get it" IronChef.
I am a customer. Not a programmer.




What a crock of BS! I am not a programmer and yet I can see that all that would have to happen is for the engine to do a ValidTarget check or something. If I am what the engine would consider an InvalidTarget, then the doohicky that someone just used to doowhatsis to me would inform the moron that he had attempted to invoke an action on an invalid target. Have you never gotten the "Not enough space to sit here" message? So, "Not a Valid Target".
You seem so upset about this, and yet I NEVER said do ANYTHING to IronChef or his settings.

What I did say was to not allow the very things I have seen you working on NOT have any effects on me.
And therein I believe is the problem for you.



Yay!



Why are you so sure of this? Im not.


That would entirely depend on the circumstances. But in an effort to humor this discussion, how about we go with certain types of grief I already experience?
Event Host says, "Please! For the FIFTH TIME! No Sound files during the event! Thank you!"
How about I just right click on the offending party, choose, ignore, and they just disappear? No, I didnt say kick them, ban them, or boot them. I said, to me...they no longer exist.
Neither do their 30 meter wide wings, annoying sounds, and obscene chat. All gone. Bye Bye.
I feel that this is MORE than fair for all involved.
They get to continue being an ass, and I dont even know about it.
See? I am VERY open to compromise.





Se the previous response in which I would demand nothing. Oh... and by the way... I have DEMANDED nothing as of yet.
I dont think Million Dollar Companies jump through many hoops for my 15 bucks a month.
Oddly, what I am asking for in a complete ignore. fixes SL for all concerned... I get very little grief, they get to continue being fetuses online. LL gets BOTH of our 15 bucks a month. And all is well... no.. wait.. it ISNT well... because you, for some odd reason, dont think I have the RIGHT to NOT want to be SCREWED with when I am online. I suppose some people like porn spam, email viruses, and their inbox cluttered with ads for a lower mortgage rate and choosing a new Russian Bride. I am NOT one of those people and I do EVERYTHING in my power to NOT have to deal with such pointless junk online. Why are you arguing against my right to NOT have to deal with the same style BS in Second Life?

*sigh* here we go AGAIN!



Oh I agree with you there. 100%!
And I would go around chanting about the option to newbies in the welcome areas too!
"Dont want these idiots screwing with you? Want to enjoy Second Life in Peace? Right click the offender and choose IGNORE! You'll be GLAD you did! "



Wow! Thanks for arguing my case so well!



Hopefully nothing.



Once Ignored, ALWAYS Ignored. And thats how the world should work.



I never said any such thing.



You can paint for the other painters. Script for the other scripters. As for me and others like me who are generally ANNOYED by most of this wonderful set of watercolors you choose to defend, we dont like colors. We like Black and White. We like Nice, Safe, Easy Going, Laid Back, Simple to Enjoy, Online Worlds.
The nice thing is that you seem to have such a wonderful grasp of exactly how annoying this situation is and yet you STILL want the ability to annoy people left in place.



Well... you would still have your scripter buddies

As much as I don't want to get sucked into this confusion, I did have one point to make.

Even if a method was introduced to keep scripts from *directly* targeting you, you could still easily be griefed with physics. It probably wouldn't be as bad but by 'launching' objects at you stupid people could knock you around quite a bit. I think this is what's been hinted at by several people saying that phantom avs would be the next thing clamored for.

So the script disabler would probably buy you some time but the really determined stupid people would be back to their normal level of irritation in a few weeks.

So like some others I'm inclined to agree that social measures are probably a better fix in the long run. Not because the technical fix wouldn't solve the short-run problem and not because it's would lessen the power of my scripts, but just because (like others have said) it would set a bad precedent.

Haha Chris Nomad, that was really pretty funny

Ya, so I know what you are saying and wanting (I believe), and I (and others) am trying to explain how something that might be good for you wouldn't be good for the whole. But my poor discussion skills coupled with your firm stance arent a good combo.

If you can't see how your idea isn't the right solution, then I guess I'll just say good day.

Chris N, we dont have any non-grief usages for llPushObject NOW (or at least I dont) but in 1.1, when we get the totally awesome completely utterly superb camera controls (not llTakeCamera(), sry), we could use it to create movement on a 3 dimentional level (if granted enough prim energy). Imagine walking through a mall on the ceiling, and by giving a command, dropping into the mall owner's mansion, all in one build.

I am so lost now.

I really don't understand the finger pointing at me now. What does this have to do with me? My posts aren't based on some agenda. If you can't understand what any of us are saying, then I just give up trying to explain further.

You question was disabling SCRIPTS that affect you. If you just changed the question to having a super-duper ignore feature, then we probably wouldn't be here. I know you don't have a full grasp of the game yet. That must be the reason why you spout out examples that have nothing to do with scripts.

So anyway, to answer you request for a super duper ignore feature.. yes I agree for some parts of the game like sound and spam. Most everything else, no.

Which is why I am asking for a complete ignore instead.

Fair enough.
But just because you refuse to see how it is a POSITIVE step in an effort to enhance my enjoyment of Second Life, I am supposed to give up on you too?

And if the land it was set on was set to "Scripts Enabled", I guess I would just CHOOSE to miss out on the many great and wonderous things someone created and just plain NOT go there.

But thank you for admitting there was no NONGRIEF usages at the moment for PUSHOBJECT.

*sigh*
again, YOU are allowed to CHOOSE for ME what goes on with MY avatar.
That aint right. Period.