What has ruined my SL thusfar

I was gonna title this, "What has ruined my SL thusfar and why I am quitting", but I got so sick of the "Fix this NOW or I am quitting" threads in other online commnuities years ago that I wont stoop to that level... however... this particular "feature" of SL will kill it for everyone I know... so I havent invioted them yet.

Situation:
You are floating in midair, listening to conversation from half a dozen trial users on the ground in the hopes you can be of some help to the newbies. One of them discovers the FART and repeats it ad nauseum. After 10 minutes of his lag causing POOF effects you remark, "kids".

One word, singular. No slander, No cursing, No name calling... and yet... you find yourself being "Script Tossed" 2 miles away from the Welcome Area.

When I am NOT standing on YOUR land, your scripts should NOT have ANY effect on me.
EVER! PERIOD. End of Discussion.

If I choose to participate in the "Look how cool my script is" BS, then it should be an option I implicitly select. Otherwise, I feel that I am being harrassed.
Trust me, I have said this before, and I will say it again,
"A Hundred Bucks says these morons wouldnt pull this crap in the same room with you because they KNOW its unacceptable and quite likely to get their heads caved in"

Yes its against the TOS, but you know what? If you dont know WHO is doing WHAT, reporting a crowd of people is getting you nowhere. When I am told by a liason that such things are against the TOS it infuriates me! Why? Because if I had not implicitly specified that I wished to have MY toon acted upon by others and their childish scripts, then it should not happen.

If I am on your property and you dont want me there... fine... blast away. But when I am on PUBLIC Land? My theory applies. There should be in Second Life the same decorum you find in your Primary Life. Otherwise, you should be allowed to cave these griefers heads in.

Flame Away Script Kiddies.
Im a Paying Customer, but Im probably leaving anyway, so I wont lose any sleep over flames from kids.

All rational responses and contributions to this thread will be acknowledged.

While I sympathize, I see the issue as the trial users and the lack of age verification over when & where scripts can be used. If scripts only worked over your land many really cool things wouldnt work in most of the world.

Something really needs to be done regarding the trial users to curb the unpleasant activities that are and have been taking place since the cc# verification was removed. If they cant buy stuff people are clearly giving them grief tools. Maybe scripted items and scripts should not be items that can be given to a trial user....? Its a shame really since that would include items that cannot be used to grief.

I'm the first person to say that llPushObject doesn't belong in LSL, and I stick with that. My solution, though, is to keep away from the welcome area and hope (and I've found this to be true short of a few incidents) the kids are too stupid to find their way out, let alone to Clara or Teal, where I am most of the time.

my question would be "where are they getting these scripts if they are brand new users?"

maybe we need to look at who is giving what to whom a little, and spank them accordingly

OR

I thought of this after the initial post...
How about Darwin the "Script Genius" makes me a little invisible box that I wear around all the time that wont allow these stupid scripts to act on my AV?

I know you are rich beyond my wildest dreams, so 1000L might not mean much to you, but that is more than half of what I have now and I would GLADLY pay for something that helped me out like this... instead of avoiding the newbie areas. I like helping the ones that WANT to be helped!

There's a simple script available for free in the Script Library that can protect you from being pushed around:

/15/58/3036/1.html

Put the script on an object, attach it to your avatar, and type "lock." You will be immune to pushes until you type "unlock."

I agree the situation you encountered is unpleasant, and I agree that there need to be some limitations on how, when and where a script can affect your avatar. It's probably going to take dozens of iterations for all the possibilities to be sorted through, and I think the developers are learning along with us on this.

But I also think that you are taking the wrong approach (and yes, I've taken the float and listen approach too). Regardless of their actual age, or mental age, kids don't like having the fact that they are kids pointed out to them, in fact I think the adult form of kids are the worst kind. Rather than delve into my own sociological theories, lets just note that these "kids" that are also presumably new users are probably both confused about what is possible to them in SL, and perhaps just a bit bored. When you don't know what all you can do, you assume there is nothing to do. Under those circumstances the FART sound may be the most interesting (or only) tool in their toolbox.

If you are like me you may not be all that eager to interact with these "kids", and so, by hovering overhead you avoid making small talk with them but only break in to answer a question that they might have. This is TOTALLY understandable. You might just try forcing yourself to interact with them at an earlier stage however. Perhaps the chance to interact with a more established player will take their minds off that one interesting item in their inventory, be it the fart sound or the script weapon. Presented with a knowledgeable person, they may actually start thinking of questions they might ask. As it is, they are probably all noobs, who, knowing they are surrounded by other noobs, don't have much to talk about.

Unfortunately, I have some bad news for anyone who thinks that some further tinkering with the trial users is going to help much. We are soon going to find that there are users who are NOT trial users but have been in the program for a year or more and are still behaving like "kids" (I prefer the term "morons", but I think this has something to do with something my high school typing teacher yelled at me almost 40 years ago).

In any event, they are not a temporary phenomenon. They will live and breed among us I'm afraid. The program, and our ways of interacting will have to evolve to cope with such things. It ain't in beta any more baby!

While I understand your exasperation at this specific incident, I feel I have a responsibility to the community as a whole to point out the fact that this knee-jerk "solution" would kill a lot of good things in SL:

1) Vending machines (objects that give you objects)
2) Gambling machines (objects that pay you)
3) Attachment Sales (Not much point in buying a cool scripted attachment if it only works over the creators land, or my own.)
4) weapons and related items (theoretically, SL is supposed to support simulated combat. Unfortunately, since the whole Jessie incident and the nerfing of the Outlands, this concept is all but dead.)

There are others. These are just the first ones that come to mind.

A few other points:
As Dragon pointed out, these people are either a) not trial users, or b) a non-trial user has given them the device. Trial users can't create scripts.

Even if you nerf LSL, griefers will just find other ways to grief. Second rule of computer science: No sooner than you make a system idiot-proof, management will hire an improved idiot.

gets annpying but it is fun to me in a way. Pretty fun to go flying really fast and highj ust to see where u end up landing. If I'm not saying or doing anything important I laugh and have a good time with it and let it slide. Much different when I'm doing or saying something important and someone does that.

I think it's a simple matter of, if u are in the welcome area or ahern the Lindens can turn off outside scripts, but that's in the land properties. They can leave it on in the Sandbox but it should be dissallowed in the welcome area. Another word to the wise, new trial users, don't whack a mentor you don't know, it's a good way to be taken off the game quick. To all mentors out there, display your tag at the welcome areas, that way if u do get whacked something will be done really soon about the offenders. And one last thing for me to add, scripts aren't everything. Building and making objects with textures is just as cool to alot of people than scripts.

But they're the only thing I do well. If scripting gets trashed, I'll have nothing interesting to do, because I simply have no imagination when it comes to building.

Chris I'll gladly write one for you and anyone else that may want one...

Unfortunetly that locking script in the script library has no affect on llPush Object, but I can make something that does. Just IM me in world for info I guess.

thanks for all of the input guys!
i'll be contacting darwin in game and get script proofed and then all will be well!

Well I'm sorry to say that some of the real jerks are apparently moonlighting from their regular accounts and passing scripts and objects from one account to the other. There are also trial users who start throwing scripts at you the very moment they arrive. Just because they are trial users don't automatically assume they are noobs.

The other night a trial user at Ahern Welcome knocked another player so far he wound up breaking up the Wheel of Fortune game, thus impacting another twenty or so residents. It's not always fun.

If "we" as a community are powerless to do anything but complain, what are the options?
No SL?

Not sure what you meant by that. What "power" would you suggest users be given? The average time between users complaint (excluding the ones where various users can't agree on how things SHOULD work) is measured in weeks for SL versus months, years or never for most software companies.

Granted I don't expect this to always be the case. As the user base grows it will be harder and harder to determine a consensus about what constitutes an improvement. But with the program still a matter of weeks old I can hardly see how you would fault the developers for being unresponsive. Even Open Source programs generally depend on a core team of dedicated developers to get bugs fixed and improvement made.

I guess for every user who gets a migraine over every little imperfection in the software, the economy, or the actions of other users, maybe "no SL" is the best answer. The polling on the tax issue and previous polling on the economy though show that the vast majority of people are either unaffected or at least not stressed out over these minor problems. A small, vocal minority seem to think anything that doesn't perfectly suit them is the end of the (virtual)world however, and maybe for those users it should be.

No offense intended, I think I am just stating the obvious here.

No Offense taken btw.

Lets take for instance yesterday... I saw someone with MENTOR above their head using a BALL BAT on newbies in the welcome area.
Why?
Although I am not positive that this wasnt a friend of theirs that was IMing them. "HAHAHAHA! HIT ME AGAIN!"
I can at the very least say it was unnerving to think that this wasnt the case. Upon his return to the area screaming, "STOP!"
I determined that this might not be the case. It would have taken me being hit the second time to figure out it wasnt a "glitch" and then I would have set out on reporting his butt.
But thats just me. And yeah... THAT crap doesnt set well with me and for the most part, overuse of your scripting knowhow, or someone elses for that matter is an appalling trend.

Like another case from yesterday... someone ELSE with MENTOR above his head dumping gigantic towers on peoples heads in Olive. Yeah, I know Olive is a "sandbox". But for Petes sakes man.... you can build a tower so high that when you collapse it, you are knocking all KINDS of people all over the friggin SIM! Why? Because you are bored? THEN GO OUT AND PLAY ALREADY! GEEZ!

Or how about the guy that while I was talking to someone else on public land, bought a square under me, flipped it to no fly and KILL and then proceeded to kill me and then release the land?

I could go on and on with examples of what I deem to be deplorable behavior, especially by people with MENTOR above their heads! But my ORIGNIAL POINT for those of you that skimmed the post and did not read it was VERY simple so I will restate it here:

"There should be a Preferences option you check that DISALLOWS scripts from acting upon you if you are standing on anything OTHER than previously purchased property."

You shouldnt be able to buy land people are standing on and change options, kill them, and release the land just because you are a friggin juvinille and think its funny to do so.
Again, in the same room with you, these FETUSES would NOT pull this crap for fear of getting their heads caved in.

What is so difficult here? Reading the entire diatribe to gleen the point? I never said dissallow scripting. I said disallow scripting to effect me if I dont WANT it to.

Although Im not a mentor, I hope your not talking about me ^_^.

I made a automatic building rezzor for testing large scale physics applications/physics limitations, and the effects of different prim types on physics.

I wasnt purposefully dropping the builds on ppl's heads, if they were falling there, I apologize, the build rezzor is currently suspended, until the fix for derezzing linked objects over sim borders is implimented, and when a better control mechanism for traveling objects is implimented (something like an extended STATUS_SANDBOX).

-Chris

(note: Ive only used the build rez in olive)

Ignore people you don't like? If you do that you've suddenly fixed the problem.

I should say that the first thing I did was hit the fart key, then i went to find someone and said hi (Mentor Loki Pico), and then i farted on him. Now, in this state, I was beat red, about to bust a gut laughing, falling on the floor.... And I was like that all night. Most fun I've had all year. If he did not have a sense of humour but instead reacted harsh or agressive, if he turned my good mood into a bad mood by bitching at me for acting like a kid, my experience wouldn't have been fun, and hence, I wouldn't have paid money to keep playing. But Loki was really nice and keept me laughing and so I keep playing.

Make it fun for the newbs.

Yes it does.
(that's all).

If someone whacks you, just start flying. All the inertia disappears.

Also: Don't provoke people and then complain when they whack you half a mile away.

Wow that sucks this is happening.
My suggestion is just hang out somewhere else. Or if you don't want to get knocked around, sit on something.
Best thing is to just file a report and hope it gets dealt with.

But please don't call for limitations on scripts.

IronChef:
Why is not wanting other peoples scripts to effect me a bad thing? Unless of course you are trying to trap people in bubbles, and pull them with magnets against their will?
This is in its infancy now, with imagination being what it is and the potential growth of the LSL I can see people teleporting me to where they want me some day.

I dont need this crap and I cant be alone in wanting to have a friggin switch so that other peoples scripts cant act on my av!

I understand your consternation, CN. I really do.

However, what you're requesting will render banning-devices inoperative. It would also open all sorts of new doors for griefing, in different ways. (Not griefing your av, griefing your scripted builds.)

I wouldn't have a problem with your other suggestion involving the ability to ignore specific people. But I'm sure even that will open loopholes that I just haven't thought of yet. (Not to mention, it would be a PITA to implement.)

I would suggest that you try the harrassment/abuse reports first, and see if they get you anywhere. This "infant" that you said shoots you every time he sees you, that qualifies as harrassment. The blotter has reported people being suspended before because they were doing that and ignored requests to stop. (The fact that you're in a no-damage zone doesn't negate its being harrassment.)

Yes that's my point Grim.

Targetting to remove features from the game doesn't really help innovation in the game. I mean, if scripting didn't exist, there still would be people bumping into you 100 times or others spamming you with IM's. Would you suggest everyone being phantom and also remove the whole chat system?
As for my gadgets, I may have bubbled you and pulled you with a magnet, but I definitely killed them right after. Afterall, I was just showing you something. Not necessarily doing it to cause grief. The main thing I'm worried about is how maturity of the community. Posts like this are good since it clearly states these actions aren't tolerated. So it is up to us to report those who are being asses or at least explain to them why it's not cool to act that way for the good of the community.