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Draco18s Majestic
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04-02-2007 22:34
Actually, I kind of like that live/dead thing. That would be really interesting.
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Slip Barrett
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04-03-2007 12:05
The theory of life and death can be a profitable one for LL as well as its residents. I realize that this philosophy will be less than palatable to most in SL, but ponder this for a moment. If death were allowed, it could potentially create a few new industries. 1) LL could charge a nominal fee (5USD) to be ressurected. 2)There would be a market for graveyards ( thus plots for sale), and with graveyards comes the need for headstone makers (mosiliums as well). This will also create a need for funeral arrangements and services. If there were witnesses to a griefing, they should be able to take pictures of the would-be assailant (and maybe the crime itself), or be able to get his/her (griefer) name out of their profile. They then can be reported to LL and be put on the police blotter with a name and potential picture attached. If the assailant can not be apprehended immediately, then a bounty can be put on their head for their capture( this would create a industry for bounty hunters and individuals seeking to collect the bounty). This would allow for penal institutions to be developed where people can be incarcerated for determined periods of time. Example: greifer steals someones passwords and uses them, two weeks in prison and $5USD a week for your trangressions.A Griefer kills someone and receives a 10 or 20 year term.(the time would be accelerated.A week equals a year for example). The person who commits murder also has to pay the $5 fee for the person that they killed. These are people whom LL would normally suspend or cancel their membership(they have no value in SL). And if it is the intention of a small minority of people to be a part of the criminal element, thats their choice(and i am not mad at their choice), but they will do so knowing that there is a good chance that they may go to jail and pay fines. "Prison Life" can be an experience of what prison life is really like from the safety of their homes( gangs, knife fights territorial disputes, selling goods in prison, potential sexual abuse etc..). This would require the employment of corrections officers, a parole board and parole officers.There would probably be people who will get "locked up" just for the unique experience. Of course this would give some of these law schools that have joined SL something to do. Now there could prosecuting and defense attorney's, as well as retired judges who are willing to preside over cases on the dockett (This service can come with a charge attached). I realize that the first major hurdle is that people who do not pay for their memberships can just start a new account if they get themselves into trouble, but that is a solvable problem. Prison and its time and charges will show who is commited to the SL lifestlye(and weed out the undesireables). I love SL, but i am growing very tired of the same old options for entertainment or making a living (making clothes,building,shopping,sex, gambling, and clubbing the big 6). It is up to the residents to come up with new ways to generate capital, and i think these are several unique and entertaining ways for the residents as well as LL to generate an income. What do you think? Not a bad idea except there is just one thing...this is a whole new video game altogether. Second Life is fine as it is. If Linden Labs were to release something like this, or have a "realistic life" grid...yeah, maybe. |
Hydra Zenovka
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04-03-2007 15:24
I think you need to keep in mind the date of the original post.
![]() However someone could start a new spinoff community called Second Death |
Jopsy Pendragon
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04-03-2007 21:22
I think you need to keep in mind the date of the original post. ![]() However someone could start a new spinoff community called Second Death Or Third Life... ![]() |
Kyrah Abattoir
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04-03-2007 22:01
if you want i am building a jail in one of my sim, i just haven't found yet how to prevent peoples from tping out XD so far it seems its not possible but i am open to suggestions for making the life of my fellow prisoners even more miserable.
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Colette Meiji
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04-03-2007 22:53
if a Av dies but doesnt want to fork over the 5 USD do they get to roam the Second Earth as a rotting zombie?
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Jamil Jannings
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04-04-2007 04:49
hmmm, not a bad idea colette. Maybe the non-payers can be exiled to a swampy island. Okay, maybe i came off a little strongly yesterday(sorry). Everyones strong opposition to the idea is precisely why it would probably work. Look, when you spend time developing your avatar, while spending money on your appearance, one may get psychologically attached(after all your avatar is really another dimension of you). Whats more, no one would want to see anything bad happen to their avatar selves, which would make the life and death here interesting to say the least. From what people have voiced in this forum, i think there would be some pretty elaborate funerals if some of you were killed.
As for a potential griefer coming to an island and killing everybody. I don't think so, that sounds like something that can happen in RL world before it happens in SL. In the RL world a great majority of people are not exercising their right to bear arms, but that does'nt seem to be a problem in old SL(gun sales are'nt exactly slumping). Hell, if i get killed at a party or in someone's bar while having a drink. I'm paying my 5 dollars, then i'm on the hunt for the shooter(if there are no witnesses or they did'nt kill him first). And if i can't find him any griefer will do (because this topic would receive national attention for SL, and there would be many more to kill). And again, i will say that people would join SL to become griefers, just to go to jail because there has yet to be (to my knowledge) a game (rockstar or other) that has depicted prison life. Maybe people will not kill to get to prison, but they would break some law to get there. One may not think that any other person would be interested in death or prison, but look at the sucess of rockstar entertainment which glorifies nothing but the darker sides of life. Everyone flocks to these games because its something dangerous and illegal but they can do it from the comfort of their own homes(prison life would be no different, nor would dying, getting burried, going through a trial etc...). But none of this will ever happen so no one has anything to fear, or maybe it will and you do need to worry.MMMMHAHAHA(PINKY FINGER TO THE CORNER OF MY MOUTH). If it did would you leave, never to return? Ofcourse not you could'nt keep yourself away if you tried( and nor could i). |
Morwen Bunin
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04-04-2007 06:28
As for a potential griefer coming to an island and killing everybody. I don't think so, that sounds like something that can happen in RL world before it happens in SL. If it happens to all the other games that support PvP without content.... Why should it not happen to SL? And maybe I would leave SL if this would happen. I have left a MMORPG/game/online community (whatever you want to call it) before because of PKers. Morwen. |
Brenda Connolly
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04-04-2007 06:39
if a Av dies but doesnt want to fork over the 5 USD do they get to roam the Second Earth as a rotting zombie? No, they become a Linden. ![]() _____________________
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Morwen Bunin
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04-04-2007 07:10
No, they become a Linden. ![]() Morwen Linden????? Nayyyyy.... *runs off* ![]() |
Raindrop Drinkwater
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04-04-2007 08:44
Hell, if i get killed at a party or in someone's bar while having a drink. I'm paying my 5 dollars, then i'm on the hunt for the shooter(if there are no witnesses or they did'nt kill him first). Look, when I'm at a bar having a drink... that's where I want to be, and what I want to do. I don't want to be killed. I don't find it funny, and honestly I don't care about hunting the griefer after the deed. I've got better things to do with my Second Life. Also if griefers decide, for some reason, to take you for target practice (repeatedly), these 5 dollars you have to pay for each resurrection will add up real quick. And again, i will say that people would join SL to become griefers, just to go to jail because there has yet to be (to my knowledge) a game (rockstar or other) that has depicted prison life. Great, more griefers. Exactly what we need. ![]() _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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04-04-2007 08:56
Hell, if i get killed at a party or in someone's bar while having a drink. I'm paying my 5 dollars, then i'm on the hunt for the shooter(if there are no witnesses or they did'nt kill him first). And if i can't find him any griefer will do (because this topic would receive national attention for SL, and there would be many more to kill). . First off WHY the 5$ USD? im truly currious as to why so much, especially when you want it to be possible to kill people anywhere. Secondly Raindrop is right - Most of us come to SL for social interation. Not a murder/bounty hunter simulation. We dont want to be killed. We dont want to kill people. Your idea is going to apeal more to gamers than a lot of SL residents who are here playing house (in whatever form). Your idea really does sound like it could work somewhere. But imposing it in Second Life would bother/anger a lot of people. |
Sys Slade
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04-04-2007 09:10
Not read every post in here, but one of the arguments seems to be for realism.
If you want realistic death and prison, "borrow" someone credit card and go spending on the lindex. Your account will be killed, you will end up in prison and it wont be a bother to the rest of us. Or is that too realistic? ![]() |
Brenda Connolly
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04-04-2007 10:13
hmmm, not a bad idea colette. Maybe the non-payers can be exiled to a swampy island. Okay, maybe i came off a little strongly yesterday(sorry). Everyones strong opposition to the idea is precisely why it would probably work. Look, when you spend time developing your avatar, while spending money on your appearance, one may get psychologically attached(after all your avatar is really another dimension of you). Whats more, no one would want to see anything bad happen to their avatar selves, which would make the life and death here interesting to say the least. From what people have voiced in this forum, i think there would be some pretty elaborate funerals if some of you were killed. As for a potential griefer coming to an island and killing everybody. I don't think so, that sounds like something that can happen in RL world before it happens in SL. In the RL world a great majority of people are not exercising their right to bear arms, but that does'nt seem to be a problem in old SL(gun sales are'nt exactly slumping). Hell, if i get killed at a party or in someone's bar while having a drink. I'm paying my 5 dollars, then i'm on the hunt for the shooter(if there are no witnesses or they did'nt kill him first). And if i can't find him any griefer will do (because this topic would receive national attention for SL, and there would be many more to kill). And again, i will say that people would join SL to become griefers, just to go to jail because there has yet to be (to my knowledge) a game (rockstar or other) that has depicted prison life. Maybe people will not kill to get to prison, but they would break some law to get there. One may not think that any other person would be interested in death or prison, but look at the sucess of rockstar entertainment which glorifies nothing but the darker sides of life. Everyone flocks to these games because its something dangerous and illegal but they can do it from the comfort of their own homes(prison life would be no different, nor would dying, getting burried, going through a trial etc...). But none of this will ever happen so no one has anything to fear, or maybe it will and you do need to worry.MMMMHAHAHA(PINKY FINGER TO THE CORNER OF MY MOUTH). If it did would you leave, never to return? Ofcourse not you could'nt keep yourself away if you tried( and nor could i). OK..you are really starting to frighten me now. And I don't frighten easily. _____________________
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Jamil Jannings
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04-05-2007 01:11
Sys, i've been there done that(lindex). I was merely pitching an idea. I sense anger in just the mention of the idea. But only one of you actually said whether or not you would leave SL if this idea suddenly became a reality. I mean... i get that you would be upset, but would you leave? The idea aside, i don't seek to turn SL into a greifers heaven, i just wanted to add the reality of finality. And your right Colette, no one wants to die (in-world or RL)and that is what makes it all the more interesting(to be able to die and come back to life, no harm no foul).
As far as pricing, it could be $L 270.00-1USD, maybe even .50. That way people who are'nt comfortable with the whole idea will not suffer a large financial burden. Maybe everyone is right, maybe i should grab about 10 sims, build a city, and implement my ideas away from the general public. But what happens if it is a huge success, and the Lindens take notice and want to implement the idea on a world-wide level? Hmmmm. |
Morwen Bunin
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04-05-2007 01:37
In my opinion it would bring Second Life down to a level of a City of Heros/Villians, a Ultima Online <name most of the MMORPG's here>. Death and a penalty to death already implented to those games, no matter if you die by another player or some kind of mob.
For me SL is unique in this. No death if you don't wish so... unless you travel in to a land where damage is enabled. But that is a clear choice one makes. I would have no problem if some sims had such a idea active (I can stay away from there), but I would really dislike it when it would be enforced on me everywhere... specially on the land I pay my teir for. Morwen. |
Jamil Jannings
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04-05-2007 03:51
Well said Morwen, and you are absolutely correct, it is your perogative as to whether or not you subject yourself to the chance of possibly losing your avatar life. But to me. whether RL or SL part of the zest for life is knowing that it could all end in an instant. Is'nt it? Or maybe part of the fun (for you) is being able to control something that you can't control in RL (life and death)? But if something happens to any of us(death in RL) Morwen, so goes our avatars, and there goes the control.
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Kitty Barnett
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04-05-2007 05:05
But only one of you actually said whether or not you would leave SL if this idea suddenly became a reality. That aside, the majority isn't even willing to verify their account, which doesn't cost a thing, so a $5, $1, 50 cents, or even 1 cent fee to come back to life isn't realistic. |
Colette Meiji
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04-05-2007 07:41
This is the "final solution" to the 'no payment info on file' problem
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Gordon Wendt
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04-05-2007 08:21
This is the "final solution" to the 'no payment info on file' problem Final solution? well at least we now know who's in charge of the Second Life eugenics program. |
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04-05-2007 09:24
Originally Posted by Jamil Jannings
But only one of you actually said whether or not you would leave SL if this idea suddenly became a reality. If this were an operational feature with no option to be excluded, I would be out in a New York minute. Between this and the Corporatification (is that a word?)/Disneyfication that seems imminent, the more of RL that is coming in this world will make coming here counter productive. _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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04-05-2007 09:28
Final solution? well at least we now know who's in charge of the Second Life eugenics program. Well if you kill all the unverifieds I suppose they can just make more. |
Colette Meiji
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04-05-2007 09:37
Originally Posted by Jamil Jannings But only one of you actually said whether or not you would leave SL if this idea suddenly became a reality. If this were an operational feature with no option to be excluded, I would be out in a New York minute. Between this and the Corporatification (is that a word?)/Disneyfication that seems imminent, the more of RL that is coming in this world will make coming here counter productive. I suppose I wouldnt leave, Id just help Vi pay her teir costs and wed only let in people we knew wouldnt be out to kill us. Meenwhile the mainland would become a warzone and eventually just a ghost town. yay. For anyone whose accidently walked into damage enabled land in SL .. If your like me and not into PVP and someone is out to kill you - you die before you even saw it coming. This will be worse. There will be combat and death bots roaming the grid looking to kill anyone they can get. Like land bots they will be faster than any human could be. The more I think about it - the more this whole second death world idea sounds like it will only apeal to a percentage of mostly male gamers who are compensating for something. |
Draco18s Majestic
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04-05-2007 10:39
The idea aside, i don't seek to turn SL into a greifers heaven, i just wanted to add the reality of finality. So...we should make all prims physical, because nothing in RL floats, right? |
Brenda Connolly
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04-05-2007 10:48
I suppose I wouldnt leave, Id just help Vi pay her teir costs and wed only let in people we knew wouldnt be out to kill us. Meenwhile the mainland would become a warzone and eventually just a ghost town. yay. . OK..well I'd probably stay to hang out with you guys then..... ![]() The more I think about it - the more this whole second death world idea sounds like it will only apeal to a percentage of mostly male gamers who are compensating for something. I thought that was what the Gorean Sims were for ![]() _____________________
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