Hate speech on Second Life partner sites
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
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03-11-2005 11:24
From: Anshe Chung Show me where I call anyone "asshole" and I will edit it.
It is also one difference between talking about "whores" and calling somebody "whore". There is difference between working as tea house girl and what is generally refered to "whore", but I don't think this is the right place and time to go into detail here. And you continuing to suggest that I would intentionally use racial slander against black people is typical for what you try since months: turning lies and half truths into fact by relentless repetition. Sometimes this is called "slander". Sometimes it is called "propaganda". Neither is good and both are not worth my time. I am off to work. I did not call you a whore, I said your career as whore - referring to the job. Someone's quote in this very thread contained you calling them an asshole. You can keep dodging that all you want - you are being purposely obtuse because you have no real point to make. If you think your statement was not offensive to black people, think again. It is not slander or propoganda, and no one has perfected repetition of lies to try to have the force of truth better than you have, Anshe.
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Neehai Zapata
Unofficial Parent
Join date: 8 Apr 2004
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03-11-2005 11:44
From: someone On this thread one resident raises questions of what constitutes "hate speech". He tries to get me "nailed" for one ironic statement that I made in direct response to one culturally supremacist slur directed at me. In fact my statement by use of irony was directed exactly against the kind of attitute and language that he tried to attribute to me.
Motivated by his great concern for the Second Life forum TOS and proper language I decided to take a look at his own website. The person in question operates SLUniverse.com, a website that has received active marketing support by Linden Lab. Some of its services such as Snapzilla can be found prominently featured on the first page of Secondlife.com and seemlessly integrated with the Second Life marketing look and feel.
On this website I have found a new thread where the operator of the site not only slanders me with false rumors (or lies?). In relation to accusations posted there feel free to refer to my newly started Anshe-Rumors Reference.
What upsets me is that he also posts private IM conversations without my permission and uses the following vocabulary to describe my person:
"shit" "whore" "bully" "predatory snake" "blow job instructor" "asshole"
In addition he insults my religious feelings with the term
"fucking god"
He uses insulting adjectives such as
"fake" "manipulative" "arrogant" "lying" "cheating"
And the following term has been directed at me by another poster and has not been moderated:
"bitch"
I have tried to bring this to the attention of Linden Lab staff and abuse team several times. However, my inquiries have not lead to the removal of the harassing content from this partner site. My latest e-mail to the person responsible for marketing at Linden Lab still remains unanswered.
I understand that Linden Lab can not police each and every fansite on the internet. However, it would reflect greatly on Linden Lab if websites that are integrated with Second Life's marketing would not be used by their owner to slander other Second Life residents calling them "shit", "whore" and "asshole". As such I hope Linden Lab will use its influence to adequately protect its customers on the Web spaces it promotes. Anshe, I just wanted to say your english language skills have vastly improved over that past few months. Congratulations.
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Jeffrey Gomez
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03-11-2005 11:46
While I disagree on stirring up the vocal minority in the forums here to rally support, Anshe, I'm more than happy to post my $0.02 on this issue. First of all, people are welcome to agree or disagree with Anshe's (or "your" depending on reader) methods as they please - the case to be made is actually quite irrelevant. I'll readily admit, for example, to openly mocking Anshe-as-land-baron in private IMs and jest - but most of my experiences, and land sales, through her have been quite positive. Just setting the books straight. However, public libel is another case entirely. Free speech is, indeed, not completely free as the law sees it - and this is one perfect example of that. The first question becomes, then, whether a resident (as opposed to "just Anshe"  has the right to not have defamatory and false statements made publicly available about them on sites in affiliation with Linden Labs. To this, I would say yes. However, the second question is whether Linden Labs has sufficient leverage and affiliation to end the problem. This is a more difficult question. In my opinion, though, LL can very easily make a statement to the site in question that, "If you do not remove public, defamatory, and false claims about residents from your site, we will remove all links and publicized information leading to your site from our database." While potentially a draconian move on LL's part, and one that I can't see as highly likely, it's the most fair case to make and easiest to leverage in this scenario. For my part, I'll see if I can get a stance from LL on this sort of thing personally. LL is not in the business of policing opinions as I see it, but if the case can be made that this constitutes libel, things change dramatically.
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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03-11-2005 11:47
The word "whore" - like many that initially have a negative connotation - also have a position connotation in modern language. Consider the term "gay" - it was initially used as a demeaning term for homosexuals. However, homosexuals happen to be the savviest demographic ever when it comes to taking insults and making them their own. Witness: "gay", "fag", "queer", "dyke" and so forth. "Gay" is now almost a fun loving term, which when used in the context, "Oh my gawd, that is SO GAY" means "something that is lame, but loveable." "Whore" has gone through a similar evolution. While its original meaning of a person who sells sex for money - which many have done virtually in Second Life, not just Anshe - it has also been adapted for many other uses. For example, a "social whore" is someone who is very friendly and social, and "money whore" is someone who is extremely competitive in business, and a "language whore" is someone who sits with a thesaurus while writing forum posts on the web. None have necessarily negative connotations... I regularly describe myself as a "social whore", for example. As language is a constantly evolving entity, what one person may consider an insult could very well be another person's way of jokingly showing acceptance or love. Now back to your regularly scheduled DRAHMA!  Regards, -Flip
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Taco Rubio
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03-11-2005 11:56
I can't believe there is this much being written about nothing.
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
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03-11-2005 12:00
From: Jeffrey Gomez While I disagree on stirring up the vocal minority in the forums here to rally support, Anshe, I'm more than happy to post my $0.02 on this issue. First of all, people are welcome to agree or disagree with Anshe's (or "your" depending on reader) methods as they please - the case to be made is actually quite irrelevant. I'll readily admit, for example, to openly mocking Anshe-as-land-baron in private IMs and jest - but most of my experiences, and land sales, through her have been quite positive. Just setting the books straight. However, public libel is another case entirely. Free speech is, indeed, not completely free as the law sees it - and this is one perfect example of that. The first question becomes, then, whether a resident (as opposed to "just Anshe"  has the right to not have defamatory and false statements made publicly available about them on sites in affiliation with Linden Labs. To this, I would say yes. However, the second question is whether Linden Labs has sufficient leverage and affiliation to end the problem. This is a more difficult question. In my opinion, though, LL can very easily make a statement to the site in question that, "If you do not remove public, defamatory, and false claims about residents from your site, we will remove all links and publicized information leading to your site from our database." While potentially a draconian move on LL's part, and one that I can't see as highly likely, it's the most fair case to make and easiest to leverage in this scenario. For my part, I'll see if I can get a stance from LL on this sort of thing personally. LL is not in the business of policing opinions as I see it, but if the case can be made that this constitutes libel, things change dramatically. Since you are speaking about my site directly, I will comment on this. Libel is something extremely difficult to prove legally, and quite an overused word in these forums. A big component of libel is that the statements are factually untrue. Another component is the line between statements and opinions. Again, one of the things that rings the most hollow about Anshe's statements are the fact that she has herself made similar statements about players, yet cries foul when it is brought to light about her. As far as the Linden position on speech within their own forums, from Jeska Linden: "Per our Forum Guidelines, moderators of this forum do have the option of: "editing aggressively offensive personal attacks to remove those statements that violate the community standards (with an accompanying statement explaining the violation and reason for edit), please note language, such as "fraud, liar, cheater, griefer, troller, jerk, scam artist" etc is strongly discouraged, but will not be removed" It should be noted that at no time has Anshe contacted me about any innacuracies on the site or to ask to have anything removed. If Linden Lab has a problem with the content, then I will remove it - Anshe's words in multiple threads more than speak for themselves.
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Merwan Marker
Booring...
Join date: 28 Jan 2004
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03-11-2005 12:03
From: Jeffrey Gomez While I disagree on stirring up the vocal minority in the forums here to rally support, Anshe, I'm more than happy to post my $0.02 on this issue. First of all, people are welcome to agree or disagree with Anshe's (or "your" depending on reader) methods as they please - the case to be made is actually quite irrelevant. I'll readily admit, for example, to openly mocking Anshe-as-land-baron in private IMs and jest - but most of my experiences, and land sales, through her have been quite positive. Just setting the books straight. However, public libel is another case entirely. Free speech is, indeed, not completely free as the law sees it - and this is one perfect example of that. The first question becomes, then, whether a resident (as opposed to "just Anshe"  has the right to not have defamatory and false statements made publicly available about them on sites in affiliation with Linden Labs. To this, I would say yes. However, the second question is whether Linden Labs has sufficient leverage and affiliation to end the problem. This is a more difficult question. In my opinion, though, LL can very easily make a statement to the site in question that, "If you do not remove public, defamatory, and false claims about residents from your site, we will remove all links and publicized information leading to your site from our database." While potentially a draconian move on LL's part, and one that I can't see as highly likely, it's the most fair case to make and easiest to leverage in this scenario. For my part, I'll see if I can get a stance from LL on this sort of thing personally. LL is not in the business of policing opinions as I see it, but if the case can be made that this constitutes libel, things change dramatically. I would add that the FIRST question is if we (SL members) have the right to not have defamatory and false statements made publicly about us on THIS site. It has happened to me, and others, and will continue to happen until LL changes their policy re: this forum site. _/_/
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
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03-11-2005 12:04
I can't being written this much believe nothing there is about.
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Jessica Robertson
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03-11-2005 12:26
After a very thorough grammatical examination I have concluded that pandastrong is Anshe's alt!!! (This is humor obviously)
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David Valentino
Nicely Wicked
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03-11-2005 12:29
Hmm..I was thinking he was Yoda...
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Jessica Robertson
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03-11-2005 12:31
well everyone already knew that Anshe was really Yoda's alt, but then Yoda died and he started playing Anshe full time.
Wait... Yoda did die, right?
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Buster Peel
Spat the dummy.
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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03-11-2005 12:33
Rampant innuendo, character assassination, and slander. Gosh this thread is fun!
We need a score-keeping methodology for threads like this:
Attack and get away with it: 50 points Provoke angry response: 100 points Provoke defensive counterattack: 200 points
No points for name calling, mud slinging, or dreging up unflattering history.
Hey, let's save everybody a lot of time reading this crap -- everybody just post "GOT YA LAST". Last GOT YA LAST wins.
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David Valentino
Nicely Wicked
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03-11-2005 12:40
Hate speech:
I hate onions. I really despise them. Mainly because they overcome the taste of the food they are combined with, rather than accenting it.
Ut oh..I'm gonna get suspended....
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Arbel Vogel
Burstin' w/Fruit Flavor
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03-11-2005 12:41
 *spam*
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
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03-11-2005 12:42
From: Jessica Robertson After a very thorough grammatical examination I have concluded that pandastrong is Anshe's alt!!! (This is humor obviously) Who the hell is Anshe? 
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Lo Jacobs
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03-11-2005 12:42
From: David Valentino Hate speech:
I hate onions. I really despise them. Mainly because they overcome the taste of the food they are combined with, rather than accenting it. I always thought hate speech was more like, "I hate onions and you should too, and this is why: - they take all our jobs. - they're immoral. - they aren't the same religion as us. - they make us cry. Ban onions from Earth!
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
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03-11-2005 12:43
From: Lo Jacobs I always thought hate speech was more like, "I hate onions and you should too, and this is why:
- they take all our jobs. - they're immoral. - they aren't the same religion as us. - they make us cry.
Ban onions from Earth! Only when it applies to oriental onions! 
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Lo Jacobs
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03-11-2005 12:45
From: pandastrong Fairplay Only when it applies to oriental onions!  Hate speech!!!
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
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03-11-2005 12:45
From: Lo Jacobs Hate speech!!! Lobot!!!
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David Valentino
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03-11-2005 12:52
From: pandastrong Fairplay Only when it applies to oriental onions!  See, I was gonna make a joke about peeling the yellow skin off an onion to get to the white part beneath the surface...but that sounds racist even to me and I'm talking about a friggin onion!!! God we are such a lame race. I hate humans and everyone else should too! They kill everything around them, they pollute and destroy the planet and they breed faster than rabbits.
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Eboni Khan
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03-11-2005 12:53
From: Taco Rubio I can't believe there is this much being written about nothing. And Taco wins the prize for best and most relevant post in a thread!!! 
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
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03-11-2005 12:53
From: David Valentino See, I was gonna make a joke about peeling the yellow skin off an onion to get to the white part beneath the surface...but that sounds racist even to me and I'm talking about a friggin onion!!! God we are such a lame race.
I hate humans and everyone else should too! They kill everything around them, they pollute and destroy the planet and they breed faster than rabbits. I am allowed to use "oriental onion" because IRL I am an onion. 
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Beau Perkins
Second Life Resident.
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03-11-2005 12:56
I was against the first SLExchange strike. I have to admit it though, I am now heavily leaning towards pulling all my inventory off SLEx because your constant drama and selfishness is a real turn off.
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Kyrah Abattoir
cruelty delight
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03-11-2005 13:00
another dead topic
HEY WHERE IS THE MODERATOR
LOCK PLZ
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Willow Zander
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03-11-2005 13:01
From: pandastrong Fairplay Who the hell is Anshe?  You owe me a new keyb MR FANDAPAIR!
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