Hate speech on Second Life partner sites

ARGH... my alt was cancelled for inactivity!!!

BRING BACK WILLIBY WALLABY!!!

Could it be... jealousy?

No, could't be THAT. Must be something else. Hmmmm. What could it be.

It has nothing to do with jealousy. That is such a convenient excuse, but it has nothing to do with that at all. Tony Tigereye, for example, is extremely financially successful in Second Life, and an extremely nice guy who makes slot machines and casino games that don't screw people over. Where are all the threads rallying against him? There aren't any. It has to do with the business practices and actions of Anshe, in much the same way there was constant contempt for Chance Small's business practices.

Suffice it to say that none of this is about jealousy, it is about pushing back against abusive behavior and the winner takes all business tactics of Anshe, where it doesn't matter how you act or treat someone, as long as you win.

I didn't realize they cancel inactive accounts - was it a basic account?

The question is one of endorsement and support for a third party site. LL cannot control what happens on other sites unless its own content is in play, however LL can terminate its relationship with a third party site.

Endorsement, even indirect, is a form of support. However, the SL community is served well by sluniverse since we can communicate there what we cannot communicate in SL.

Yeah and I used it once

Just to log on (

Same thing happened to me, and it didn't take long.

I figured I would put a few of these into context, since you took liberty to take them out of context to suit your purposes:

shit:
McDonald's may sell hundreds of thousands of hamburgers a day, but it doesn't mean they aren't shit.

- as in the hamburgers they sell - the comment was made in response to Anshe's affirmation that she knows about land values since she sells X amount of land per month, and was a reflection on her "service",not her. If I wanted to call her shit, I would have, and she knows this, it's just easier to take it out of context to make it look more sinister.).

whore/blow job instructor:
"Her original careers as whore and blow job instructor were at least honest."

I contrast this with Anshe's ad for when she was an escort:

"I am a material girl with a money fetish - this means I get very kinky if you give me a nice gift. I don't know why. It kinda happens. Just a reaction of my body getting very hot. Maybe because I feel you show me special appreciation. So many boys want to make love and have nice words, but not so many boys really give up something they cherrish. This is why I ask for a little tip when you meet me "

She also taught a class on virtual lovemaking, where she taught various sexual acts using built in animations and invisible boxes, and charged for the class.

fake,manipulative,arrogant:
"Anyway, I regret posting the original comment, but I am not sorry that the thread showed Anshe for the fake, manipulative, arrogant person that she is"

- in the original thread in question, Anshe tried to manipulate someone to get a build taken down she did not like by making a lowball offer on the land. Her arrogance is shown in the statement "Consider it a sign of my superiority...", and her constant statements that people are jealous of her. As far as fake, I suppose that is in the eye of the beholder. I find someone who is publicly nice, and privately horrible to people to be fake. Your mileage my vary.

lying:

"Since Anshe claimed publicly that I neg rated her on an alt, I wanted to post my side of things, since she is lying through her teeth"

- Anshe was in fact lying. I am not Mia Lament, it is not my account, and I did not neg rate her. She continues to lie about this to this day, thus she is both a) lying b) a liar.

fucking god

Cristiano Midnight: Anshe, for the love of fucking god, I did not neg rate you
Cristiano Midnight: neg rate me if you want, I could care less

- Interesting religious spin she now puts on it.

So there you go, some context to go with her post.

I don't know about anyone else hating Anshe - I don't hate her, and in fact in the past I've IM'd her in world with my concerns about how much crap she has taken on the forums.

I have done one business transaction with her - she bought part of my ownership interest in SLExchange, and this transacton was entangled in the hostile attempt to force me out of the SLEx by my previous partner - which was successful.


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Anshe, apparently after talking with Apo, approached me to buy out part of my 40% ownership of SLEx; once that occured, he would then buy my remaining ownership interest (a "hinged" or "linked" transaction). People warned me about doing business with her, and since there were major problems with the SLExchange partnership with his having breached our partnership contract, I did not want more problems when selling part of my ownership interest to her.

My transaction with her went smoothly, and she made payment to me through PayPal as agreed to in our faxed written agreement.

Then, a few weeks later, she contacted me wanting additional information not in the original agreement, a copy of my SLEx partnership agreement with Apo, to prove after the fact that i indeed owned 40% of SLEx. Since I had honored all items in the transaction with her, which was silent re: any contracts with him, I told her to get the partnership agreement from him. She was not pleased with my response, accused me of fraud, and filed a claim against me with PayPal. This resulted in my PayPal business account being suspended, pending an investigation. I've had this account since 1997, and NEVER had a claim filed against me.

After several long IM conversations with her, and sending messages to Apo re: giving her copies of our previous partnership agreement, and receiving no response from him, I gave her a copy, to "prove" that what I sold her, and what she paid US$ for, was in fact mine to sell her. She then dropped her PayPal dispute-claim against me.

All of this I found very strange, added to the hostile SLEx partnership breach, her accusing me of fraud after our transaction closed. To this day I have no idea why she acted this way. I've concluded from my experience with her that she will not hesitate to attempt to bully others, and even hurt them to attain her ends.

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I convinced a couple of family members to sign up. They did, were charged the $10 USD, but their account was deleted within 2 weeks. They didn't want to try SL again because of that -- they felt they'd been ripped off. Just a tip to LL: if someone pays for an account, it should probably remain active for at least a month or two of inactivity.

Merwan,

Thank you for posting that. That is absolutely terrifying, and certainly food for thought of anyone doing business with Anshe through Paypal. Buy an island from her and do something she doesn't like, and she could cry fraud and get your account suspended. The fact that this was weeks later is even scarier. That is so over the top, it is crazy. I am thankful I have never done any Paypal transactions with Anshe.

I can only feel pity and sadness for someone who's whole life is apparently ruled by the quest for money. While I like a roof over my head, and decent food to eat, money just isn't a huge priority with me. There is so much more to life..

Since day one with her, it was about aquiring money, and still is. Oh well..to each thier own. We all have to look at ourselves in the mirror and attempt to sleep well at night. I guess some aren't bothered by the inner voice of honor, compassion, self-respect and pride.

Oh poor little Anshe /end saracasm

Christiano...I can see your justifications for the ways you've reffered to Anshe. And, yes, I'm sure the dictionary definitions of "whore" and "blow job instructor" may apply to jobs and classes Anshe has done in the past. That doesn't make the comments any less deragatory. There are ways of disagreeing with business practices without stooping to vulgarities...no matter how appropriate you may think their applications are. Just my opinion.

Anshe...I can undertstand why you're angry at how you've been reffered to on these forums, both directly and insinuated. I do think some people have crossed the line of appropriateness in their talk about you. However, I also think that your business practices may be the basis for why people talk in this manner about you. I know you earn a *lot* of money from Second Life...but I think you might want to relax a bit. Most people consider SL to be a simple game...a virtual tourist attraction they visit regularly to get away from the stresses of our First Lives. Bringing real life stress on people when they are trying to enjoy themselves will usually generate obscenites. Again, just my opinion.

**munches on popcorn as the drahma unfolds**

Cristiano, I didn't mean you, I was just addressing the question about "why people hate Anshe" in a provocative way. Your postings do not have a jealous flavor at all. There are others around in other forums that do though.

Anshe's an opportunist. Even nice opportunists accumulate detractors. I would say "enemies", but I wouldn't want to use that strong a word. Oops I just used that strong a word. My bad.

Buster

Wasn't there a Bill Murray movie about this? Gosh the story line seems familiar.

Liona,

I agree with you in that the phrases are vulgar, though yes, they are the text book definitions of what she did. I chose them carefully - I am not someone who is shy about using vulgarities amidst strong points. Anshe is also not shy about doing so - refer to her many posts to see the same pattern. She described the same job in her Wixom post as whores, then laments it being used to apply to her. You can't have it both ways. I do appreciate your input. I certainly could have used a less inflammatory phrase, such as "prostitute and virtual sex instructor" but it all comes down to semantics. You can't sugar coat any of it, so why try? The fornication continues, just in a different form.

@Cristiano

If you would have minimum of decency you would simply have apologized and removed your insulting terminology. But instead you still call me "whore" and "asshole" on your forum and come here to continue slander me.

IMs of me promising Lynn not to bid on one auction? Well, if that helps something I have no problem with Lynn post log of our conversation that day. So you basically acuse me of making one voluntary promise without getting anything in return and then not keep that promise? While your claims are even not true, how exactly did Lynn get harmed by me winning an auction? Did she loose money? You don't want to tell me that winning auctions against your friends is one big crime?

What else? Anshe terraforming her land 7 months ago. Once. Wow! Big crime! Anshe tells Cristiano's buddy that she doesn't like the grey spiral staircase on his land. What crime!

Hank's currency exchange? It is great service, as I posted numerous times. Hank started it *after* the issue with Ontario mall land. Do Hank and I have grudge? No. We talked long time about morality and philosophy and some things we agreed to disagree. I also never had issue with Adam. My issue has been and still is with one type of device and its functions. Discussing the functions and potential of abuse of one piece of software is one thing. Talking bad about one person another thing.

@Merwan
I can only say that we agreed that you would mail me signed contract. 2 1/2 weeks later still nothing had arrived in my mail. This was one of several reasons I filed PayPal claim, not knowing that this would put your account on hold. When I learned about the problem this caused I canceled the claim. A letter from you finally arrived this week, at same day as mail from Apotheus. This means you only mailed it after I filed the PayPal claim.

I also remember when we verbally agreed that you would not engage in any activity that damanges SLEx.



Now I actually replied to some of the slander against me on this thread. Even though I don't see what Merwan's failure to mail SLEx purchase agreement without me putting pressure on him has to do with the topic of this thread. It is completely off topic, as is some of the other postings on this thread.

The topic of this thread is not Anshe Chung. If some people try to make this thread about me by posting what has already been posted 100 times, then this is only to distract from the topic at hand. This thread is about hate speech on SLUniverse.com, posted not by a visitor but by the owner of the website himself. It is about the hypocrisy of one person who publicly calls me "whore", "asshole" and "shit" while trying to (ab)use the TOS of this forum to get me banned for one word I used in a statement of irony. What Cristiano has tried is similar to somebody trying to jail Charly Chaplin for spreading Nazi propaganda. And all the while he actually does himself what he falsely accuses me of.

*noddle* Understood. And, like I said, most vulgarities have a motivation behind why they were stated. I suppose I'm just sad about the realities of the situation.

Which brings me to something I should apologize for. Some people like to brush off threads like this as "drahma"...like the only reason people have posted are some vain attempt at getting attention. When people think this, they forget that many times there are real feelings involved.

Second Life is meant to be fun, and enjoyment is why we do it. It's doubly stressful when something you want to enjoy becomes a source of stress. I know *exactly* how that feels; I used to help run SF/F conventions in real life. Fun? That's what I did it for. Stress? That's what I got.

I'm sorry I called this 'dhrama'. I can totally understand how dealings like this could frustrate someone...and really there's no other way to deal with frustration than to express what one's feeling to others.

Your point is?


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Anshe,

The topic of any thread you start is going to be Anshe Chung. You're an in-game celebrity, whether people consider your famous or infamous. To some I'm sure you're Tom Cruise, but to most you're probably Michael Jackson or Bill Gates. You're the Microsoft of SL, and for that, you're going to often be treated as a natural villain, whether its based on jealousy, bad choices in the past, or, more likely, a combination of the two. The irony here is that Cristiano is a Microsoft guy!

Joking aside, Microsoft has done some very shady things to get to the top from ripping off Xerox in its early days to forcing IE upon is OS customer base to destroy Netscape. I still think raising the land (I count at least two places I saw it... Shipley and DaBoom, if I remember correctly?) is one of the ugliest business decisions I've ever seen in SL, as was selling animations/poses in the dawn of v1.4 that were freely downloadable off the web and in the default installation of Poser. I also find it hard to believe you did not know what filing a claim would do to Merwan on PayPal... especially with as much business as you've done in SL, knowing PayPal inside and out would seem to be an absolute necessity. It does smell like bullying, although there is no proof of that.

Please note: this doesn't mean I hate you or anyone, I just call it the way I see it. I'm sure not everyone likes me and my wise assed attitude either... but I also don't ask for sympathy on the forums. You have to roll with the punches in Second Life, just like RL.

Any business at the top has skeletons in the closet. That's just a fact. To quote Monty Burns:

"Family. Friends. Loved ones. These are the three obstacles you must overcome to be successful in business!"

Please consider all of this before expecting sympathy or to be able to start a thread without it focusing on you or your business... especially in these forums, that's just not going to be the reality.

Regards,

-Flip

Anshe, please bring back the proofreader of your posts. Thanks. This most certainly is about Anshe Chung, since you are the one making the allegations and calling it "hate speech". How exactly do you criticize anyone for making a reference your previous escort profession as whore, while yourself doing the same thing IN YOUR OWN POST. How do you criticize anyone for calling you an asshole when you have called people an asshole multiple times, it seems to be one of your favorite words. You can keep spinning the shit quote all you want, it amuses me. As to the rest of your bizarre post, and your lame attempt at evoking Nazis (??), I will leave your words to look as ridiculous as they do on their own.

BTW, the word you used to refer to African Americans - something you can't claim use of just because you are another ethnicity, is a clear cut definition of hate speech. You can think you were being "ironic" but clearly you were just being inflammatory.

An opportunist is exactly one person who avoids making enemies by being opportunistic.

op·por·tun·ist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-tnst, -ty-)
n.
One who takes advantage of any opportunity to achieve an end, often with no regard for principles or consequences.

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oppor·tunism n.

Show me where I call anyone "asshole" and I will edit it.

It is also one difference between talking about "whores" and calling somebody "whore". There is difference between working as tea house girl and what is generally refered to "whore", but I don't think this is the right place and time to go into detail here. And you continuing to suggest that I would intentionally use racial slander against black people is typical for what you try since months: turning lies and half truths into fact by relentless repetition. Sometimes this is called "slander". Sometimes it is called "propaganda". Neither is good and both are not worth my time. I am off to work.