Guard systems, closed lands, kick aways and all kinds of..

I am tired of all those things in Sl that kicks you away... its this really SL? Is this what Linden Lab want - had in mind when doing this software?

The open minded.. nice peoples place??

I often fly over land.. to a place or only looking around.. learning... experience... as the software allows you to... and sometimes i find myself hit - kicked away several ”miles” away - or get notes about something... its no fun in SL..

I do NOT poke around I FLY OVER.. it happens once or twice or more every day. and my feeling its more and more of this kind of things...

Is this what we want in SL??????

What do Linden Lab like this???

Not much you can do other than neg-rate and abuse report the owners. Sometimes LL will pull down these griefing "so-called" security systems if they extend too far.

I think she's talking about the ones that kick ANYONE who flies over their land actually but yes - it IS annoying and yes I think being flung half a sim away for just minding your own business warrants a neg rating.

There are security systems out there that just block without booting you into the middle of next week.

I've landed on island sims where the publicly-listed teleport hub is on restricted land and been blown away to the edge of the sim with my screen bouncing around like crazy. No fun at all. And don't even get me started on the hazards of plane-flying.

Over-agressive, over-bounds kickers had been officially declared a ToS violation. Abuse Report the owner - they are Bad for the SL experience.

(yes, I should back this up with a reference to the official Linden declaration, I'll forum grovel for it)

Lee Linden has stated that these devices must give a minimum of 10 seconds' warning before taking action.

Ohhhh so non SL... what do people have to hide in SL?? What are the ashamed off?

Warning - are we irl?... Whats next..

No way... this is SL let us have fun.. not being kicked to next sim.. or home... or comp crash...let us not need organisations as Amnesty, Greepeace, Red Cross and such ones..

Please Linden Lab STOP this nonsense...


It cost me 25L every time i give out a negative reputation.. that ca 50-100 a day... I started today))

Actually, that's not altogether accurate. Lee Linden stated that in his opinion these devices must give a minimum of 10 seconds' warning before taking action. It was by no means an official statement of TOS or CS.

Further details of his post is here: /invalid_link.html

There is nothing to hide. They are just idiots, that have delusions of self-importance, or else just like causing other people grief. It's a shame that someone just out to explore the brave new world (to her) should have to run into such examples of rudeness and immaturity.

When this happens:

1) negrate lot owner
2) abuse report lot owner

Lindens are very inconsistent in viewing this as a TOS violation.

Lee has only stated an informed opinion of what he thought were 3 best practices for such scripts, having to do with them never bouncing all the way home, giving warnings, etc. However, that's not an official TOS-read-out.

I encourage you to go on the Hotline to the Lindens forum and keep raising this, people do every few weeks in an effort to get the Lindens to adapt a policy towards some of these aggressive scripts that treats them like the weapons they are.

Yeah I hate it when you're TPing over to some place that's a few sims over from a telehub and flying down there when suddenly you're launched 300 meters in the air and 2 sims back because some guy didn't want anyone on his land but him.

It's interesting, because this is really a new thing for people. All the people who do this stuff from what i'd seen are very new. And I'd never seen this problem before until like a few months ago. So what's up with the world now that makes all the people want this privacy?

My guess would be that with all the new people coming in you have 2 things:
1) Increased number of assholes/griefers
2) Increased number of new people trying to deal with #1 and not knowing the true affect of their overaggressive security scripts

Plus.

3) Companys in SL that sell for a lot SL Dollars... aggressive home secure bla bla bla things...

4) No info about this by the introduction info.. ???

5) No action against people that do send you sims away.. or crashing software...

OK while I'm almost rabidly AGAINST these sorts of "security" devices it depends on the situation. One might not have the 25L per incident that it would cost to neg rate as stated already in this thread.

Most of the time I'm tossed so hard, my computer goes nuts and I end up crashing or getting logged out before I can make note of any names in the first place.

Again it depends on the situation. For example:

I recently had someone move right next to where I have my noobie helper group's HQ, and promptly set up a "security" device that kicks people 4 sims away. I contacted the landlord, as we both rent from the same person and informed them that one of their tenants had an overly agressive script going on etc. The tenant immediately changed it to a gentle nudge off the property lines the next time they logged on.

They also sent me an IM in apology. While that was all nice and everything, I gotta wonder why the device was set so aggressively in the first place if it was so easy to then adjust down the setting? And why are these things needed in the first place?

To all of you who make "security" devices I consider you scammers on people who own land and for whatever reasons are clueless that they have their own privacy and security system already built in.

I also consider you griefers if you have your default setting as high - a high that kicks people out of the sim. It has been well documented that people do NOT tend to read instructions or test things out and just slap that thing on the land and call it a day. (Which was probably what happened in the situation I mentioned above.)

And there's NO need for a setting that high in the first place, so I consider you a griefer for creating a device with that in it and selling it to renters.

I consider you a griefer if you own land and use these devices. Wake up you've been scammed - you didn't need to spend extra money for a tool that's already built into the land permissions.

And if you rent, and have less control than you'd like over who can can enter your parcel at least SHOP AROUND and ask for a demonstration of any device you are considering. If you find one that does not have a civilized setting, make note of the creator and move on.

The beauty in SL is the freedom to do many things. Not just scripting but in almost every part of SL. Sure LL needs to give the user and land owner more rights and protections, but tread lightly when restricting certain freedoms because the same function that can be used for grief could be used for good/fun.

So can you give examples of locations that do this and have been repeatedly reported but LL took no action? Hell I'd be glad to go there myself and file an abuse report.

WHY do we NEED protection in SL and for what - shall i be afraid?

Yes i will at once send YOU and IM next time i get 2 sims away and have noted before where i got kicked away))))

Wow Brace ! Well said !
I couldn't agree more.

What do you mean "next" time? You implied that there are people using them that LL has done nothing about. Where are those locations?

If you really do feel you need privacy, don't build on the land, don't build in the clouds where people fly to travel around SL, build your pad up high, 700 to 1000m is cool.
That way no-one is likely intefere with whatever your creepy business is. Normal flying cannot get that high so anyone up there is well aware that they may be prying if they approach a build.

I was flying across the world a couple of days ago as I didn't trust teleporting. I got hit by one of these things and needed to relog. Naturally I couldn't get back in...

Before I relogged I looked in PvP abuse and nothing was there. How do you find out who did this to you?

Chris..what's your point here? Everyone knows they are out there. You act like she should know the exact location. If I'm hit by one, I'm lucky if I remember what sim I was in, let alone location. And for a brand new person, it would be damned hard to even nail down the sim, especially if you are out exploring.

It is very frustrating to be flying along minding my own business and then be suddenly and inexplicably booted from my plane. Only to find out it was due to someone's security devices. I just don't get what they protect. And those unsightly red lines. Ughh.

Espcially people doing it to protect a 512 with glass walls. I mean I can watch you have sex, and your coversation is spilling into my living room, so what exactly is the security for? In case I should have the urge to steal your black velvet elvis picture? or the photoshopped poster of you haveing Avi sex with your girlfreind in the starbucks in Maxim?

I think the security features and boot devices should be done away with.

LOL Jennifer.

Yes, I agree. I have yet to hear anyone tell me any of the "fun" things that can be done with these things that would cause me to think they shouldn't be banned.

coco

I have one on the family home. BUT...

I was very careful setting it up. The max height of it is actually just below the level of the house roof and the edges stop at the boarders of my land. This system does not teleport home and should not crash the game. I also have warning signs posted and the red linden bars up as warning. I also took the time to have Lee Linden come and examine they system and my setup and it passed his inspection.

Now as to why use one...

In our family (and yes we are a RL family playing SL together) we have several members who have been hurt badly in RL. One has had severe head injuries. When someone harasses this family member (and it does happen) she needs a place she can go that she knows is completely safe for the time it takes her to regroup and sort out what happened. This system helps to give her this safe place.

Now if all of you want to neg rate me or get ugly here in the forums be my guest. My point in posting this is that there are responsible and reasonable ways to use these devices AND that there are valid reasons for needing them.

No way anyone (well, most everyone. Always an unreasonable person out there somewhere) would neg-rate you for responsibly using the tools. You don't even need such a compelling reason to use the tools if you use them responsibly.