Fed Up - Hawthorne.

I'm starting a new club, the fed up with Hawthorne club.

I can't enter my own land in Hawthorne without being orbited by Nate and Billie's turrets, including teleporting in. I'm tired of having to anchor myself down to be on MY OWN LAND.

I own a nice plot of land, 56x64 or so there, and this is ridiculous. I'm sick of it. I've submitted a dozen or so abuse reports to you, Mr. and Mrs. Linden. I take it this behavior is acceptable from the response.

I've spoken to others, who have also submitted numerous abuse reports, some of whom do and do not own land in Hawthorne.

This is just absurd. They do not own the sim, so everyone who is tired of this, please feel free to join in. A wall is presently being erected around the entirity of the sim, and I will provide a nice llEjectFromLand() (the LEGAL version of what they do) which targets the offenders specifically (since the Lindens have OK'd this behavior).

Anyone who would like a copy, let me know, place it on your land, everywhere, anywhere.

If they want us banned from Hawthorne, let's ban them from the rest of the world.

Hey chill!!

I dont really know the story but it sounds like you are being a victim of foul play.

But please dont make this another JESSIE .
Dont repeat history, do what should have been done instead.

this seems ridiculous... i mean i would consider this a form of harassment which is clearly against the community standards...

Well, nada, it's pissed people off enough to where there's a wall erected entirely around Hawthorne, and i've heard numerous complaints and people saying abuse reports have been filed against them also, and no response from the Lindens.

Thor, this has been going on for over a month, the abuse reports are numorous, i've been chilled. No more waiting :}

I havent been to Hawthorne for a whilebut the last time I was there it was filled with shops....has it now turned to a war zone with homing turrets???

OK lets tell the whole story, if you can remeber the truth there si! Yourself and Rathe are constantly harassing ppl over the billboards then you are bannished from someones property for that reason!
Then you continue to harasssssssss! so try to get everyone you can on your side thats fine but if ya dont likr Hawthorne then dont come out and mess with people.

Only the people who speak out from Hawthorne get harassed, by yourself and Rathe, then you twist things around to better suit yourselves.
I dont like airing things in the forum because i dont think its anyones bussiness except yours and ours,,, well add the lindens in there.

One last thing,,,,,when someone comes to your residence and really makes you angry,, then you start keeping track of what is said,,, the whole thing can get turned around like you are the innocent ones,. But we know better now dont we!? It seems the whole purpose of you and Rathe playing this game is to debate or just drag people into the forums to try and make them look bad.
i signed up for life to have a good time not debate and argue! just stop the harassment guys go have some fun!

Uh, harassing us because we disagree with you does not make the harassment better. But i'm glad you agree what you do there is harassment.

You'll note that the wall erected around Hawthorne was neither myself, nor Rathe. So obvious we are not the only ones.

What harassment? How did I harass you at all tonight? I came into the sim, went directly to MY land. Never said anything to you and suddenly I'm being kicked, teleported home, disconnected, and you're rezing objects all around me. I had to ground myself to a cube just to sit on my own property. How does that make the harassment from MY side?

Only after this did I start talking in the sim as quoted directly in the log. Even my (embarassing) typos, but please forgive them, I was being lagged to death from their banishers bouncing me around which makes typing difficult.

Im done not going to debate with you, or now taesa that has built the wall because she was intentionally lagging a sim lastnight and was asked to stop.Only after some discusion by herself and another resident was she put on the bannisher , But the bannisher is on the landowners property . And they land plots are not small and strung out. they are huge pieces of land with builds on most everyone.
So like i said twist things around all you like!
Have fun doing it to because like i said before in other threads. This is a game to have fun in! Thats all i want to do but someppl just want to argue and cause problems!

Those people being you, Billie, and Nate. I don't know why you are so set forth on controlling your neighbours.

Don't even complain about Taessa's wall either when Billie herself owns a giant wall along the sim border to block the view of all the neighbours she doesn't like. Hypocricy!

Actually, nate has a 4x4 plot of land near mine, that would be "small and strung out"

And the banishers are NOT confined to their own land, hence them hitting us on OUR land. Which is our problem. You can banish all you want from *YOUR* land. Keep it off *MY* land.

Friends:

I read just a little bit of this thread and see that what we have here are two different parties with passionate views about their own sides. Unfortunately, I also believe your passionate views are clouding your ability to see the others point of view.

Therefore, I would like to offer my services as a mediator in your dispute.

First, both sides must agree to mediation.

Second, both sides must agree while this issue is in mediation that the offending articles will be removed, until such time that the mediator has decided what shall be done.

Third, both sides must agree that the mediation is binding and each side will abide by the outcome of the mediation.

Fourth, both sides must agree to attempt a sit-down discussoin (CIVIL) at the onset to try and work out this issue before mediation must act. The site will be a neutral location (my lake side Cabin in Slate) and will be off-limits to everyone except one person from each side, who shall be elected by their side to represent their best interests.

Fifth, neither side will contact the mediator, nor shall any friends of either side contact the mediator, to attempt to effect the outcome of the mediator's decision.

Sixth, the mediation will begin only after 3 days of "cooling off" time. During this time, each side must remove the offending articles. This is a good time as well to discuss amongst yourselves who shall be representing you at the mediation meetings, and what you would accept as compromise.

Lastly, if you do not believe in compromising anything, don't enter into mediation. Compromise is the backbone of finding a middle ground that everyone can live with. While it may not be something everyone likes completely, it will at least be something everyone can live with.

I await your decision friends.




Bob Bunderfeld

I had problems with those two aswell.

I have had no problems with anyone in secondlife yet and I've been here for about 3 months now.

Some days ago I was simply flying around hawthorne looking at stuff like I have done regularly for my whole time here,then for no apparent reason I was launched up extremely high.

When i came down there was nate007 and I was launched again and again,this was in a safe zone aswell,some guys in my group were banned for kicking people in safe zones,yet it seems that these two are allowed to do as they wish.

I continued to just try to come down and leave,yet I was continually launched up,they followed me whereever I tried to land and continued to do it.

Even my own land they did not allow me to land in,they continued this for awhile,it even caused the game to crash for me twice,yet each time when i logged back on there they were to continue griefing.

Back early during the whole wwIIolers situation billie was the one complaining to me about certain members griefing her and I had done all I could to get it to stop.

Now it seems she is completely fine with doing exactly what she was complaining was happening to her.

I've just logged on this afternoon to find a huge wall around my home and both my shops.

On reading this forum, I discover that someone I've never even met has apparently declared war against me.

Si, if you have a disagreement with two people in Hawthorne, do you think it's fair or proper to target all the other residents in the sim also ?

I have never abused, banished or even shot at anybody during my time in SL, and I'm upset that somebody has built a wall preventing people from reaching my shops.

A tip for the people building large walls around things: If you're going to build a large, ugly wooden wall, please make sure to use "Align to Grid" so at least it's structurally sound.

Thank you, Dan Linden, for removing the illegal wall around Hawthorne so swiftly.

It must be the least appealing aspect of your job to deal with the fallout from these kinds of disputes, but the rest of us certainly appreciate your help.

I really hope Billie's "illegal" wall, banishers, terrets, etc. were removed with this wall too.

The wall was no more illegal then Billies and Nates huge buildings around advertisements, which have not been removed. This double standard is sickening, to say the least.

To make matters worse, yesterday I was chased down six times by Nate and orbited, the last time right in front of Hamlet Lindens eyes, who noted that that was against TOS, but nothing gets done.

If I have to I will simply keep rebuilding the wall, if I get banned so be it. But this whole situation is spiraling out of control, and the favortism is disguesting to say the least. It seems certain people are allowed to abuse others, while others AREN'T allowed to protest the situation.

I have to agree completely with this post. I have seen the favoritism for Billie and her sidekicks over and over.

After filing abuse reports for about 3 weeks in a row about being completely banished from Hawthorne, unable to get to MY land there, a Linden finally answered us and removed the banishers (though they are back), but only after finallly listening to the fact that WE HAVE LAND THERE. Until they finally clued into that piece of information we were totally ignored and Billie presummed innocent without any consideration of all of the facts.

I couldn't even teleport to my land. She wasn't only ejecting us from her land, but had terrets that pushed us into her land so she can eject us if we even teleport to our own land. Now she has new ones that push us immediatly upon trying to rez anything. So now that they finally removed her banishers from attacking our land, she has disgusied them to attack us anytime we try to rez ANYTHING on OUR land. How is that legal? Or even remotely fair?

Anyone else who's done this sort of activity in the past has been sent to the hole for a few days, did Billie go to the hole? Nope. She didn't even get a slap on the wrist.

I, too, must agree. This double standard is ridiculous. Billie's had walls up blocking Stanford and other sims for weeks (months?) now, and of course, they never get removed. Builds walls and boxes around our property and our objects which of course are also not removed.

For some reason it would appear their memberships are worth more than ours? Should I just be leaving SL under the impression the Lindens want them there, and not the rest of us? I honestly do not understand this.

They do things for months, we do things which are not going half as far as they go, and ours are removed/undone in a matter of hours. Theirs go for weeks/months without so much as acknowledgement after tens of abuse reports. Something does not add up.

Bob, all i'm looking for is the ability to go to my own land without being harassed, banished, orbited, whatever. I don't see that there's any room for mediation in this. This is a Community Standards violation which is going ignored. Nothing more. The rest of what's going on is purely protests from people of this behavior. That will end when the initial problem is resolved.

If you do keep rebuilding the wall, no doubt you will get banned. Is this really what you want? How is this in any way fair on the rest of the residents of Hawthorne?

As for those who talk about double standards, my understanding from my conversation with Dan is that the violation is not the putting up of a wall per se, but the buying of strips or parcels of land with the specific purpose of building a wall on that land.

The double standard is that she would get banned, but Billie does, did, and will continue to do THE EXACT SAME THING and doesn't get banned for it. THAT is a double standard.