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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
03-29-2005 13:21
Prokofy...

Why do you constantly INSIST on bashing someone's project?

It is *his* land.. *his* build... this is no different than if he used one of the Linden freebie Resident store kits and invited a few friends to put stuff up there. NO DIFFERENCE.
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
03-29-2005 13:24
From: Prokofy Neva
I actually love Ingrid's handbags but I like to encourage a real economy for her and for people like me by seeing her bags in land that either she or someone else has paid for.

Anyone with a Lifetime account HAS paid for it, Prokofy. $225 and the inworld costs to obtain the land. You lack the context for people who bought the land at that time. Noone was sure if Second Life would be around for another 6 mos. There had been a round of layoffs near that time and there was (at least with me) a great uneasiness about spending such an amount with no guarantee that the company would be around for a while. It was a gamble.

But, I digress - the land WAS PAID FOR.
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Jellin Pico
Grumpy Oldbie
Join date: 3 Aug 2003
Posts: 1,037
03-29-2005 13:31
From: Prokofy Neva
Ugh, this is even far, far worse than I thought. Ugh, Ugh!!!! This is AWFUL!!!! Yuck!

I understand that cool groovay builds that kewl beta-fetes made are the cat's pjs, that I don't dispute. I love Linden builds and Linden build clones too because I now have been conditioned to associate them with freedom from clutter and griefing.

The free life-time 4096 is one of the biggest obstacles to progress in the game, because it ensures that those possessing them believe, because they pay no tier month after month, that they are on some kind of free wiki vacation where they can just endlessly create content for free for the benefit of mankin without any heed as to cost, even to themselves, and that what they do is a benefit, ........

blah blah blah etc etc etc




Jeez, what a bitch
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Juro Kothari
Like a dog on a bone
Join date: 4 Sep 2003
Posts: 4,418
03-29-2005 13:36
From: Jellin Pico
Jeez, what a bitch

Yup.
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BlackAdder York
Charter Member
Join date: 22 May 2003
Posts: 283
03-29-2005 20:20
From: Prokofy Neva
The free life-time 4096 is one of the biggest obstacles to progress in the game, because it ensures that those possessing them believe, because they pay no tier month after month, that they are on some kind of free wiki vacation where they can just endlessly create content for free for the benefit of mankin without any heed as to cost, even to themselves, and that what they do is a benefit, and therefore can never be questioned by normal market forces.

This constant lecturing of me not to make it a money game, implying that I'm a RL failure if I make it that, is entirely out of place. It has to be a money game if it will grow and get investors. No RL investor can invest in a game where everybody plays hippie socialism commune while Mom and Dad send the checks. I don't need a game to survive in RL, that's silly, but if you want this game to survive you must make it possible for people to do that normally, without any uproarious provincial small=minded censure.
There's nothing free about the 4096; I paid $159.95 for my Charter Membership. That's not a subsidy; it's bought and paid for.

Not socialism; communism. SL is not part of the United States, or any other country. And the freedom to choose any economic model is a strength, not a weakness. Most of my other projects in SL have been pure profit-driven capitalism. This one will not be. You're complete inability to believe that altruism exists is pretty damn sad.

I've never said one word against you for aiming to make a profit in SL. Nor would I, since all of my other ventures have been purely for profit.

From: Prokofy Neva
Gah, I want to get this straight. You are going to award space not just to your friends (you'll find that you have a lot more of them now lol!) but only to those whose content you approve and whom you find of sufficient quality.
Let's try this one more time; none of my very few friends will ever be vendors in AvC. And I won't be gaining friends simply because I generally spend very little time in SL. Anyone who really wants to be my friend these days needs to find me in AO, not SL.

From: Prokofy Neva
Ugh! Then why are you seeking to serve as a fake public interest project?
I suspect this is the point that truly enrages you; there's nothing fake about it. I enjoyed the challenge of doing the build, and I'm enjoying other peeps' pleasure in seeing AvC back in the world. There's nothing more to it than that. Once the store is filled with vendors, I'll be an absentee landlord.

From: Prokofy Neva
Ugh! You get to provide free space, but not let normal forces sort out who gets it, and only allow those you approve? Then do that...but not with a Linden clone, and not with a Linden-subsidized account. Have a little club with your girlfriends and just put their bling out on rentomatic 10 x 10 boxes, but don't say you are "serving the community". Now that I see that you have a) a Linden clone that the Lindens have approved and b) the Linden subsidized for-life property (huh...you're going to put your whole mall on 4096 lol??), I will have to scream about this. It is feted, certifiably.
No I"m not going to put it on 4096, because the plot it's sitting on is 2048. I have an additional piece of prim land in Aqua which is 1024, and probably will make one additional purchase of 512. I've never owned more than 4096 and have never paid tier. And being chosen because of talent and creativity seems pretty normal to me; in fact it's real life. BTW, what girlfriends???

From: Prokofy Neva
The whole psychology you and others at the core have is visible here in spades. Try to think what it would mean if you opened up a store you called "Macy's" that only *looked* like Macy's and occupied public land on Herald Square but that only was available to your friends, the feted, and those whose content you "approve". Why on earth is no one else screaming about this????
None of them are my friends. Why is that so difficult to understand? Most of the vendors are people I've never even met or spoken to before. Strangers, not friends...get it?

This is where you're truly insane. How do you think Macy's or any rl store chooses the merchandize it sells? Do they have lotteries? That's what you demanded that I do in your original post. The answer is, they pick and choose based on factors which include quality and popularity...exactly as I'm doing.

And just in case you haven't figured it out, SecondLife isn't FirstLife, and would be utterly pointless if it never went beyond mere mimicry of the mundane. Within the confines of the TOS, the only rule is that there are no rules.

From: Prokofy Neva
Yeah, we understood that. But only those old friends really got in their dibs here on the public record, hmm? And only those who trodded down memory lane with you in this thread, and only their special apprenticed friends, and they who responsed first on this thread, hmm? And we know you have already *pre-approved* their content, hmmm? Great! Then have a little bling party with your girls on your 4096 but don't call it a project Serving the Greater Public Good. I actually love Ingrid's handbags but I like to encourage a real economy for her and for people like me by seeing her bags in land that either she or someone else has paid for.
I have paid for the land. Are you operating under the delusion that LL simply hands us 4096 of free land? There is absolutely nothing involved here that was free. I don't pay tier for my first 4096 only because I paid $159.95 up front. And every bit of land I own was bought with L$.

Have you ever considered actually checking the facts before making false accusations? There are already vendors in AvC who hadn't posted here; and some of those were approached by me, not the other way round. And they are not, repeat not, friends of mine. There are exactly six people I have ever considered friends here, even briefly, and none of them are or ever will be AvC vendors.


From: Prokofy Neva
So? the beta-test-love-fest is a state of mind, baby, peace out, feel the love.

I just don't get how you get to have an infomercial that is not in SHOPPING. Huh? Jeska? Because...um...why? It is a Linden clone? Hey, I have a box that is a Linden clone too. I have a club now right in the Linden dam. And I want free air time on GENERAL to advertise my club because...uh.....it is in the public interest. Yeah. I just do it as a hobby, hey I do not make a dime, and I never reached the purchase price yet, just bought it today so puleeze Jeska perty please let me advertise my club diguised as a memory land infomercial essay love fest in GENERAL with thousands of people loving me up instead of in the boring SHOPPING.
How many times must I say that the vast majority of vendors weren't Beta testers. Do you have any clue how sick you're beta-envy really is?

Like pretty much everyone else, I post in this part of the forums because it's the only one that people look at. Nothing more to it than that.

I personally don't give a rat's ass if anyone ever shops at AvC. I'm losing a substantial amount of money doing this project; and it's intentional. Why exactly does that bother you so f*cking much?

BTW, Who the hell is Jeska?? If you're implying that I asked someone for permission to start this thread, you're 100% wrong, as always.

From: Prokofy Neva
Boy, I know what that is like! And there is just too damn much of this in this game. And if you would get over the allergy to commerce, and the belief that you always have to be on a socialist potato harvest, you could get your rent just by charging people like Ingrid and Marcos and YES I have the right to comment on big-time prominent players in the game who know the cost of land, rent or buy land, get business on it, and now are saying, give me free space connected to your Lifetime 4096 Subsidized Forever By The Lindens that only YOU can pick as to content quality.
If you'd bother to get some facts instead of made up horse crap, you'd know that I've been running a for-profit business elsewhere in SL for over a year. So much for allergies.

Ingrid and Marcos...big time??????????????
Honest to God, Is there no limit to your ignorance?

From: Prokofy Neva
Did the Lindens ever think when they handed out those pernicious things supposedly as a reward for faithfulness during beta that they would one day lead to closed box malls feting only those selected by this guy, barred to others?

Heheheh like I said, buddy, you got a LOT of friends now with THAT offer.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

Could the market be the judge of that? I'm confident it will be. And I think it will reward you with constant rentals. But...it means lessoning your iron grip on the "quality control" content issue a bit...and we wouldn't want to do that, eh???

The Lindens Endlessly Subsidize You with the Lifetime 4096. Whatever. And that means they and you get to decide what is a contributoin to SL's future.

Um...you do? Why? Because you were there first? Because they started it? because you're special? But with that kind of attitude, how on EARTH can Phil Linden EVER be expected to become the WWW of Internet virtual spaces. In a place where only his beta'ed feted get to build Linden clone malls, give out space to whomever they please, and tell people like me to fuck off with their sour grapes? Do you get it?Nope, because I PAID for it.

I thought we built this city on rock and roll?

You don't know me either. And you don't realize that my brand of cynical sharp commentary is not "about" you and not designed to hurt you as some individual but to pointedly raise some REALLY important issues here. God, they're important. Phil's WWW of virtual words is hanging in the balance!
Ignorance is neither cynical, nor sharp, nor commentary. Hurt me? I wasn't kidding when I said I find your clueless, insane ranting highly entertaining.

The only people barred from being vendors are myself, my six friends, and of course you. If this really was rl, you'd be getting sued for liable and defamation of character.

Ponder this...if you create nice content, and had simply asked me (instead of ranting like a child who got passed over by the other kids when they were choosing up sides for basketball)...you would be one of the vendors right now. Kinda' ironic, ain't it?
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BlackAdder York
Charter Member
Join date: 22 May 2003
Posts: 283
03-29-2005 20:42
From: Teeny Leviathan
By simply being "born" nearly two years ago, YOU are FIC. :D


Feted? LL has never given me anything unless I paid for it.

Inner? There were over 1500 Beta testers.

Core? Many other Charter Members are now extremely wealthy, and/or popular, and/or greatly admired for their creativity. I am none of those things. My cash account has never hit 50K, and is currently barely over 20k. I'm near the bottom on all Leader Board categories, and always have been. If that's FIC, then FIC means loser.
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Teeny Leviathan
Never started World War 3
Join date: 20 May 2003
Posts: 2,716
03-29-2005 21:09
Ummm... Kidding!

Seriously, being FIC is a dubious distinction. Or should I say "guilt" by association. Remember, we didn't make up the FIC. It was a label slapped on us.

Edit

My earlier off the cuff remark about you being part of the FIC was, in fact me kidding. I never intended to imply that you were getting any of the so-called "preferential" treatment that we "oldbies" are supposedly getting. BTW, an actual loser tends to cry the loudest as opposed to those here who quietly enjoy our second lives. :D
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Marcos Fonzarelli
You are not Marcos
Join date: 26 Feb 2004
Posts: 748
03-29-2005 22:28
From: Prokofy Neva

Boy, I know what that is like! And there is just too damn much of this in this game. And if you would get over the allergy to commerce, and the belief that you always have to be on a socialist potato harvest, you could get your rent just by charging people like Ingrid and Marcos and YES I have the right to comment on big-time prominent players in the game who know the cost of land, rent or buy land, get business on it, and now are saying, give me free space connected to your Lifetime 4096 Subsidized Forever By The Lindens that only YOU can pick as to content quality.


Never at any point in time did I ask for free space. Stop telling lies about me.

I asked you to leave me out of this. Please respect my request.
Ingrid Ingersoll
Archived
Join date: 10 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,601
03-30-2005 06:51
From: Marcos Fonzarelli
Never at any point in time did I ask for free space. Stop telling lies about me.

I asked you to leave me out of this. Please respect my request.


I didn't either. I was pleasantly surprised to find out that it is rent free. Which reminds me... I need to put a little something in Blackadder's donation box. :)
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Jeska Linden
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Join date: 26 Jul 2004
Posts: 2,388
03-30-2005 18:08
From: BlackAdder York


BTW, Who the hell is Jeska?? If you're implying that I asked someone for permission to start this thread, you're 100% wrong, as always.



I'm Jeska - nice to meet you. I'm one of the Linden Forum Mods here at the Second Life Forums.

Also, I'm not sure if you've been away from the forums for awhile, but we do not allow personal attacks on other Residents. You may wish to read the SL Forum Guidelines for more info.
BlackAdder York
Charter Member
Join date: 22 May 2003
Posts: 283
03-30-2005 19:46
From: Teeny Leviathan
Ummm... Kidding!

Seriously, being FIC is a dubious distinction. Or should I say "guilt" by association. Remember, we didn't make up the FIC. It was a label slapped on us.

Edit

My earlier off the cuff remark about you being part of the FIC was, in fact me kidding. I never intended to imply that you were getting any of the so-called "preferential" treatment that we "oldbies" are supposedly getting. BTW, an actual loser tends to cry the loudest as opposed to those here who quietly enjoy our second lives. :D

I realize your post wasn't really serious. My reply was more directed towards you-know-who; that person who believes that what you said in jest is really true.
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BlackAdder York
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Join date: 22 May 2003
Posts: 283
03-30-2005 19:49
From: Jeska Linden
I'm Jeska - nice to meet you. I'm one of the Linden Forum Mods here at the Second Life Forums.

Also, I'm not sure if you've been away from the forums for awhile, but we do not allow personal attacks on other Residents. You may wish to read the SL Forum Guidelines for more info.

Hi Jeska,

Allow me to introduce myself: I'm the one being attacked.

So, apparently you do allow personal attacks. Marcos, Ingrid, and myself have just been personally attacked with a bunch of preposterous lies spiced up with profanity.

And what exacly are you doing about it? Inquiring minds want to know.

The truth will out: it's actually Prokofy Neva who's being feted by the Lindens, as they turn a blind eye to personal flaming and profanity on the forums.

Here's an example of Jeska puttin' the ol' thumbscrews to Prok in another thread:
That having been said, personal attacks have been flying a tad bit freely lately, please remember to have respect for your fellow Second Life Residents when discussing heated topics.

WOW!!!!!!!!! That'll teach him what for!!
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