Forum policing... what should LL do if anything?
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Selador Cellardoor
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12-17-2004 06:13
Dakota, <<Selador Cellardoor, am I to understand that your calling me a "moronic griefer"? I mean it was a coincidence that my post was last before Jeska closed it?>> Unless you were posting under an alt, then no, I didn't mean you. Although you did have a posting in that thread, it was quite a long way back. There were, however, about three alts posting, and the person concerned was obviously trying to get the thread shut down. Unfortunately they succeeded. If those alts were yours, then my comments stand. Otherwise you are looking at the wrong thread. 
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Lecktor Hannibal
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12-17-2004 06:33
From: Jeska Linden Just wanted clarify what we mean by "PG" forums - the forums are PG in the context of Second Life's PG/M dichotomy. Minor cussing is OK, but slurs, vulgarity, chat sex, descriptions of sex, etc. are verboten. In other words, "Quit your bitching!" is OK while "You are a raving bitch" is not OK. Basically, we follow the Community Standards for Indencey, copied here for your conveniance (or find it here: http://secondlife.com/comstandards.php) "Second Life is an adult community, but Mature material is not necessarily appropriate in all areas (see Global Standards below). Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense strong language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or strong violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M). Names of Residents, objects, places and groups are broadly viewable in Second Life directories and on the Second Life website, and must adhere to PG guidelines." *swoon* 
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Rose Karuna
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12-17-2004 06:48
From: Shadow Weaver I just happend to read a few threads I missed once I got home and all I can say right now is this.
Be very careful what you complain about. I noted in another thread that Robin said they are taking away the top pics list from in world. All I can say to those that wanted it gone is GOOD job and everyone here is complaining about sensorship.
Cristiano has said it not once but several times in his postings. If people sensored themselves we wouldnt have the trivial problems we do.
In reference to the Lindens Top Picks List being taken away again good Job ********
Public sensorship of a generous silent kudo system LL put in place to reward those that they as INDIVIDUALS thought had neat places.
Keep running ya mouths people and the forums will end up like TSO forums cause whether you believe it or not LL is listening.
<<shakes head and closes out thread in utter disgust.
Shadow I agree Shadow and I agree that it would be a pretty boring place if this happened.
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Joshua Nightshade
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12-17-2004 06:56
granted I've only been in the forums for three months but the only time it seems to me when they close a thread is due to language against one another. I've never seen a thread closed because the reason is "foul language in general," it's always seemed to be "player X used foul language in describing player Y's effiminate mannerisms," or so forth. so it'd appear to me that we can run more or less unrestricted in regards to most things until it degrades to the point where everyone's insulting everyone else. but I agree with the above. stop COMPLAINING, everyone. I swear. do any of you notice how these forums have nothing but "I hate SL for this, LL is a big meany for that, all of the Lindens and all the users haaaate me  " granted I've got my own problems with things in here and so forth, but that's all EVERYONE does--- bitch! every time the Lindens post that they've got an idea for a suggestion/feature and they want opinions, it's never constructive, it's always "OH this is THE WORST idea ever, SO much worse than when player X used foul language in..." etc. aargh it drives me insane. has it ever occured to any of you that perhaps a good explaination for why the Lindens never implement things as quickly as we like, and can't seem to figure out good solutions to prevalent problems, is because they aren't the all knowing game designers of Blizzard and EA and and everywhere else that we're used to dealing with, and this is as much a learning experience for them as it is for us? cut them some slack. or I'll cut you! 
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Prokofy Neva
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12-17-2004 07:08
I'm quite happy with the forum and its management because I've never been banned yet. Billy, I have a game for you -- The Sims Online. Oh, and a forum for you, too: Stratics.
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12-17-2004 07:14
From: Prokofy Neva Billy, I have a game for you -- The Sims Online. Oh, and a forum for you, too: Stratics. Um... I don't think so... lol... thanks but no thanks! 
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Blake Rockwell
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12-17-2004 07:18
I think that forums are educational and we all learn from it, and sometimes an issue becomes apparent and understood after it has been either misinterpreted or intentionally spun. Notice alot of times if an issue has not been resolved or a real point made Jeska will explain that she is locking the forum because the subject has gone past the point of useful discussion, meaning learning wise.
It is very wise for Jeska to let us learn from our own mistakes and to logically resolve an issue as adults so that we may learn from it and each other. While balancing the seriousness of worded abuse towards one another after a certain amount of posts is not always an easy decision as sometimes it may have to be locked before a lesson is learned.
That being said, yes Jeska does not have an easy Job. I think the Forums are here to help us to understand issues and be educated from each others knowledge, while taking constructive critisism and then finding balance with our emotions to overcome our hindsights. To learn how to debate and discuss issues without having to close Threads before we gain knowledge, but; sometimes there is no choice.
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12-17-2004 07:48
From: Blake Rockwell I think that forums are educational and we all learn from it, and sometimes an issue becomes apparent and understood after it has been either misinterpreted or intentionally spun. Notice alot of times if an issue has not been resolved or a real point made Jeska will explain that she is locking the forum because the subject has gone past the point of useful discussion, meaning learning wise.
It is very wise for Jeska to let us learn from our own mistakes and to logically resolve an issue as adults so that we may learn from it and each other. While balancing the seriousness of worded abuse towards one another after a certain amount of posts is not always an easy decision as sometimes it may have to be locked before a lesson is learned.
That being said, yes Jeska does not have an easy Job. I think the Forums are here to help us to understand issues and be educated from each others knowledge, while taking constructive critisism and then finding balance with our emotions to overcome our hindsights. To learn how to debate and discuss issues without having to close Threads before we gain knowledge, but; sometimes there is no choice. I agree with that Blake as well as with allot of what the others have said. I just think that labeling the forums as PG is a misrepresentation and see no need for it. I stated before and will again that I think that a truly PG forum is not appropriate here and as someone else pointed out PG stands for parental guidance and appropriate for a younger audience. I am almost 40 years old and to see no need whatsoever for the forum to be rated PG. We are all adults here and should be able to express ourselves under a blanket of free speech. I would still like to hear a solid reason why to not just come out and say it is rated “Mature” and give some legitimacy to how it is regulated now?
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Kris Ritter
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12-17-2004 07:50
From: someone Forum policing... what should LL do if anything? Permaban me? I think that'd be a popular choice. Shall I put a poll up?
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Cadroe Murphy
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12-17-2004 08:01
I wish they could delete posts and punish offenders rather than lock threads, at least the ones that started off well. Right now a few people can (and do) sink threads that already had some real discussion in them, usually with personal fights dragged in from elsewhere. Some threads are born to die, but threads with good topics get torpedoed too.
But I guess Jeska tends to gets alerted when things have already reached meltdown, and she has plenty to do already. I hope they gave her stock!
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Pendari Lorentz
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12-17-2004 08:02
From: Jeska Linden <snip>...In other words, "Quit your bitching!" .....<snip> I bet you $100Lindens that Jeska got a huge smile on her face when typing this line!! hehe.. *tease Jeska* And, I'm in agreement with those that are against censoring on these forums. I think Khamon has a great point in that some of the forums could use a bit of moderating, as they truely need to stay on topic in order to get anything accomplished. But General and Off-Topic at the very least should pretty much be left alone. Those are my thoughts. 
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Blake Rockwell
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12-17-2004 08:03
From: Billy Grace I agree with that Blake as well as with allot of what the others have said. I just think that labeling the forums as PG is a misrepresentation and see no need for it.
I stated before and will again that I think that a truly PG forum is not appropriate here and as someone else pointed out PG stands for parental guidance and appropriate for a younger audience. I am almost 40 years old and to see no need whatsoever for the forum to be rated PG. We are all adults here and should be able to express ourselves under a blanket of free speech.
I would still like to hear a solid reason why to not just come out and say it is rated “Mature” and give some legitimacy to how it is regulated now? Hmm, maybe im missing something. I do not see anything on that Web Address that talks about any rating or explaination thereof, or is it perception? Only thing I see is the guidlines of the Big Six.
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12-17-2004 08:50
From: Jeska Linden Just wanted clarify what we mean by "PG" forums - the forums are PG in the context of Second Life's PG/M dichotomy...
... and must adhere to PG guidelines." Also in a conversation I had with Haney he said that the forums were rated PG. Why use the words "PG" at all is still my question?
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Lo Jacobs
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12-17-2004 09:38
From: Billy Grace Also in a conversation I had with Haney he said that the forums were rated PG. Why use the words "PG" at all is still my question? Who cares?
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Jeska Linden
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12-17-2004 10:12
From: Blake Rockwell Hmm, maybe im missing something. I do not see anything on that Web Address that talks about any rating or explaination thereof, or is it perception? Only thing I see is the guidlines of the Big Six. Indecency is one of the big six. I also copied the indencency guideline into my orignal post, which includes a description of what belongs in M vs. PG.
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