Forum policing... what should LL do if anything?

In light of the many threads that are allowed to go way to far in my opinion I thought it would be interesting post a couple of questions about LL and their forum policing to hear what Y’all think.

1. What is the quickest way to get a thread locked or removed?
2. Why is LL so slow to do so?
3. Why does LL lock threads instead of deleting them?
4. What “should” LL do to get control of the forums if anything at all?

I will go first.

1. There does not seem to be any “quick” way but I would say that a bunch of posts personally attacking someone or each other seems to do the trick but the action usually comes way to late.

2. Maybe they find it humorous to watch what people are willing to say to each other and are just paying lip service to this being a PG forum. I can see it now: LL weekly office meeting… Joe Schmoe Linden says, “Did you see what Sally AV said about Johnny AV? What a bunch of idiots.”… followed by copious amounts of laughter.

3. They want to be able to say that they did something without actually doing much at all. Most of the time locked threads are immediately followed up with a new thread and the parties involved continue in whatever they were arguing about.

4. First it seems to me that they need to decide first whether they “really” want this forum to be PG or not. If not then the language is just fine. If so then they should install a filter or something that will not allow obscene language.

Second they should also drop the policy of locking threads and just delete them if they are out of control.

Lastly they should take action waaaay before they do now.

Either that or LL should drop all constraints and just come out and say that this is an adult forum with no rating whatsoever and let em all have at each other without pretending they are against it.

^probably wants to burn books too....

Freedom of speech (and type)! Down with censorship! Powerpuff Girls unite!

This troll brought to you by the Forum Freedom Foundation. We speak out, so you don't have to!

I guess you're just asking the Lindens to take a clear stance on the forum rules and policies, is that what you're saying?

Who knows? The drama and unpredictability just keeps us wantin' more ... and more -- if they start shutting down things the minute you go off topic it'd be dead around here

HAHA...Nice David. *hugz*

LOL... Funny post David. What I REALLY would like is for LL to come clean, say that this is not a PG forum and that they don't care what we say or do within it and drop regulation altogether.

The issue I have is that it is "SUPPOSED" to be a PG forum and if so it should be policed accordingly. If it is not a PG forum then just say so and drop the charade.


Yes, that is what I am asking LL as well as what you guys think. I honestly want to know where everyone else stands on this issue too.

Yes, that is what I am asking LL as well as what you guys think. I honestly want to know where everyone else stands on this issue too.

Honestly? You're an (edited)

Thanks for contributing nothing as usual.

Personally I think the Lindens do a good job. Quite frankly you can't shut ppl up. PPL will say what they damn will please. It is obvious censorship does not work. I think everyone here is grown up enough to say what they like, even if at times it seems childish. I am all for freedom of speech and do not feel one should be censored. If one feels like saying FUCK then say it bc I don't agree with PG forums....how boring. Also obviously there is alot of personal attacking done in the forums, but really how the hell can you stop that. Basically I guess what I feel is we just need to all accept what the forums are. If we don't like it then we can leave.

you asked where I stood on the issue --I told ya. ((edited)) --what is the point of this particular "troll, Billy?

Can you not just let people be? Or do you not actually follow the teachings of your philosopher god?

I think they have it basically right so far. They give people a lot of freedom, moving things that get going in odd directions off to the Off-Topic forums, and really only lock or edit when things clearly violate community standards or the terms of service or are on a downward spiral headed right into that territory.
It's always going to be a judgement call, but it seems as if the judgements are usually pretty sound.

Yes, I agree.

Is that REALLY the best you could come up with??? Grow up!

TinaStar, I would totally agree if LL didn't claim this was a PG forum. Do you think that LL should change the rating or is what they do just fine while at the same time they call it a PG forum?

Billy...honestly why don't you try smoking the kind bud...and maybe you wouldn't be so uptight.

BTW...not a personal attack.

And people say I have an attitude with other people here..
"Steel kitten" my behind.

Edited to add: And by editing out my quote of her attack.. Jeska made this post completely meaningless. Ty Jeska....

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Kendra, I don't think that was directed at you. I think he really wanted a steel-kitten in his behind because real kitten is moving around to much and scratching.

I will not take it as one, thanks

I am sorry if you really think I am being uptight, that is not my intention. I would just like for LL to come clean and not pretend that this is a PG environment and then have no regulation at all. I would think you would support that.

Kendra is kinda exciting me. Hey babe..come here often?

Perhaps she is testing a theory?

I agree with you Paris, nice post.

Well yeah but I think very few of us would actually appreciate enforcement of the so-called PG rating. I wouldn't, at any rate. How 'bout you? Why did you call attention to it, dammit?!

I see your point...you mean the inconsistencies we have in the forums at times. I can respect that. I guess when I started reading the forums they never appeared PG to me at all. I am new to the forums so I have alot to learn. But I guess they must not be PG...my FUCK did not get edited.

First, there is some productive conversation in this thread, but I wanted to remind everyone that the forums are not the proper place to air personal grievances against one another - please refrain from personally attacking someone you don't agree with in the forums. I've edited out the offensive personal attacks from this thread.

Second, there are several sets of "guidelines" which we use to moderate these Forums. First are the Terms of Service agreement and the Second Life Community Standards and second is the Second Life Forum Guidelines, all of which are available on this web site.

Here are a few portions of the Forum Guidelines which are relevant to this discussion:

- "The purpose of the Second Life Forums is to promote discussion and education about Second Life. We believe in an honest and open free exchange of ideas, and in always maintaining a respect for the opinions and positions of other people." This is why we very rarely delete whole threads and any editing or locking of threads are accompanied by an explanation. Threads are also sometimes moved if they are started in the inappropriate forum.

- "There's a very significant amount of traffic to the Second Life Forums, and it isn’t possible for us to read every thread." We encourage our residents to utilize the forum tools to aid us in moderation - including reporting posts you think require review, using the ratings system and ignoring residents you don't want to see posts from.

The full Forum Guidelines are available from the "Guidelines" link at the top of every page in the forums, here:
/invalid_link.html

Thank you.

Here's my suggestion: Remove the <General> sub-forum.

This sub-forum is pointless except to incite the sort of behavior as we've seen lately. It isn't conducive to what Philip has suggested he wants SL to become (a community experience entirely inworld - maybe the reason he hesitates to install capabilities to view the web in-world.) And, the forum has other sub-forums geared towards constructive specifics such as building/scripting/tech. problems, etc. This <General> sub-forum is basically a chat room representing a tiny portion of the entire SL population. There are maybe 20 regulars who purport to represent the whole of the inworld residents.

Of course, I feel we do need a place for residents to communicate with each other when not in a position to be inworld (the reason I'm here now, while working), but I don't believe LL should host such a forum. It is enough for LL to deal with inworld disputes, and I feel they shouldn't put themselves in position to deal with the same disputes outside of their virtual world.