Jessie - Terrorists and Other Annoyances

Actually, I have a feeling that the random killing of people in the gallery was exactly the kind of behavior acceptable in jessie. thats what its for. I think the lindens are going to be happy that its difficult to build a gallery and hold events there, and I very much doubt anyone will get in trouble for it, ever. Now what would be even cooler is if the folks at the art show whipped out thier own weapons, or if it was a show of artistic weapons, and indeed, they were used to defend the gallery.

If you are in jessie, I reserve the right to kill you, as many times as I choose to. you can always rate me neg, or kill me back. I would suggest building counterterrorist measures into your gallery - strategically located defensive positions turrets, etc. But I sure hope that linden doesn't step in and stop the killing, they did that once before, and now its totally lame.

bbc

I agree with BBC. Freedom of expression is available in quite a few other mature sims, the difference with Jessie is that there, you are also free to express yourself with weapons. It's a necessary release valve, and we should have at least a couple more sims where shooting is an accepted means of communication. That will help keep it from spilling out into other areas, where most folks want to create in peace.

What is a larf? It's not in the dictionary... maybe it's sort of like a lark, only with swearing and gunplay.

hehe first of all, your welcome for waiting, but i agree, we should of waited, i wast he lead terriost, it was all good fun Infact a friend of mine came up with the idea saying "I want to cap all their asses in there" i wont say who (hint, it wasnt me lol)

In the end it was me and cyanide holding derek jones and nicko snow (and victor lorentez) hostage in there.

Also, jessie will no longer be oppressed, viva la revolution!

you may be the lead terroris but im the revolutionary!

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Actually, if you'll look, our next scheduled event (and it was scheduled well before last night) is The Art of War - Guns. So next time, the patrons will be armed!

Let me make it clear that we are in Jessie by choice and actively support the JLA. We've just chosen art - which seems to be the most effective medium in SL - as our means of expressing our support.

It has always been my hope that the Gallery will be accepted by the other residents of Jessie as a part of the Resistance. To that end, we will be acting in support of the JLA. We just hope that next time, we will be acting as collaborators, not as victims!

Again, let me stress that I would rather things went as they did than for the resistance fighters not to have shown up at all - I just would have REALLY liked for them to wait until the end of the event to charge. (Which it seems they intended to, but someone got trigger happy.)

I chose Jessie because of the resistance movement there. It's true, though, that if the point is simply to have a frag-fest zone, instead of what I think it is - to have an indepent sim where things are risky and behavior has consequences - then the Gallery wouldn't work there. All along, I have just been asking for clarification. And I've gotten it. Thanks, all! I hope the Bhodi Tree Gallery can be a force for change.

ART IS DANGEROUS!

Bhodi

bhodi it wont happen again, please dont move

Ive been thinking- perhaps the JLA should draft the Community Standards and propose them to the lindens- I could even start that. Just a thought.

The JLA has been officialy created, if you live in jessie or are there most of your time (or even if your just a sympathiser) and supporter of our cause join our ranks! contact me or ryen jade in world to join

Buhbuhchu wrote:

"If you are in jessie, I reserve the right to kill you, as many times as I choose to."

I actually think that if you are asked to cease, you should out of respect for the individual -- some of us actually try to build in Jessie (we live there, after all) and killing someone over and over and over just because you think you *should* be able to do so without respect for that person at all isn't right either. If that person engages you in retaliation that's a different story -- i.e. if they start shooting back at you.

If I ask you to quit killing me and you don't, I will proabably report that, or it may result in a banning from my land the second 1.1 comes out. I support the Jessian's being able to write their own standards, I'm a member of the JLA, BUT I still don't think that it's fair to shoot someone who is trying to build or have a conversation over and over and over and over and over and over because you think it's funny or fun. If the person doesn't ask you to stop, that's one thing. But if they *do* ask you to stop, well, then that person's space should be respected.

Jessie may be the outlands, but that doesn't mean that all human courtesy should be thrown out the window.

Zana

Pretty sure it's the other way around. You got 50 or so sims where you can't run around shooting people at random, and one where you can. Seems greedy to me to insist that the one little ghetto sim off in the corner has to be pacified like all the rest. It's always open season in Jessie. As for being "wrong," the community standards make explicit provisions for the Outlands. You're not safe there, BY LAW.

I have spent large amounts of time debating this issue with others. So far no one has presented me with an objective reason why Linden Lab has an overriding interest in changing Jessie into Sesame Street, particularly when the ratio of trigger-happy sims to safe sims is so overwhelmingly low. What I DO see is that almost everyone who replies to threads like this is in agreement: Jessie is not for tea parties, it's for hot lead, and no one has a right to expect safety there.

SL definately needs more room, both for 'safe' sims and more Jessie like sims. I was exploring Jessie and it's totally crowded! There's no space between all the bunkers and fortresses and herbal tea gardens.

There's a good amount of safe areas but not too many big ones, where people would want to live. And in Jessie there isn't a whole lot of room to fight or dodge. You're more likely to accidentally run into a building.


In any case, Jessie should be a free for all, within reason. I mean, I'm surprised nobody has exploited it yet. I could code up a script that would instantly kill everyone in Jessie and kill everyone that enters it. But in the few times I've visited, I've never died.

Am I going to regret building that cruise missile for you?

I rarely visit Jessie... I'm too far north to really bother with going past Tan.

However, the idea of having an "outlands" area is completely awesome. I felt somewhat saddened when I heard that the original outlands was 4 sims big... and now it's just reduced to Jessie.

Why should you have protections from the Lindens and the ToS in Jessie? At all? It's the "outlands", it is "out of the normal realm of things". If you get shot, well, perhaps you shouldn't be living in a war zone.

Did settlers from Germany and England march into the middle of two warring trenches in WW1 and demand a cease-fire so they could build their log cabin? Well, no, because they'd be immediately fired upon/gassed/captured, as well they should. They walked into a WAR ZONE. Der!

If you don't like to be killed all day long/randomly/seldomly, just don't waltz into Jessie. It's silly to think that you shouldn't get killed just because you don't feel like it.

It's called the Outlands for a reason.

Lordfly

Actually they did. The english built thier log cabin and the germans let them, since it meant nobody was going to be shooting at anybody that day. Then they started up again the next day.



I don't really need a cruise missile to be cruise missley, that's just for show.

Though, I hear the missile you built for me is the sort that is made to be launched from sea vessels. Maybe you could look up the differences between Sea and Land fired Cruise Missiles?

well crap, relee. now i'll have to build you a battleship to launch it from.

I am not opposed to you building me a Battleship.

I think we should move the outlands to Tan. Would make things a bit more interesting.

I agree whole heartedly with Huns and Lordfly, Jessie should not be "gentrified" (the term the local Warlord used.)

One of the Jla's goals is to get the lindens to add more outlands sims, i have heard a rumor that an outlands sandbox will be built soon (an outlands where you cant buy lan and all objects are deleated at midnight.)

howveer i still donot feel this is enough, and im pissed off that people arent contempt with 50+ sims to build their homes and shit at, so they need to invade on our space, the jla is also agianst this and we will fight agianst you if you build a home in jessie.

Well I, for one, am very contempted at this attitude, Ryan.

Just a simple suggestion to the builders:

If you find yourself getting frustrated with the continuious death rate you've been experiencing above your "normal" taste of liking due to trigger happy individuals... fear not. There is slight hope for you yet.

Water Rogers' Primative solutions by primative means would like to present to you a primative concept Whip out a box, and SIT on it. Now build to your hearts content without worrying about being killed, pushed or derezzed. Trust me.

Find yourself getting berrated? Click on yourself and set to busy. People STILL pestering you? Set up a sensor to eject anyone from your land while you are working.

If this is a spot you truly want to build, then go for it. Just understand your cautions and precautions before entering the region. You simply cannot rely on others' "good moarle" in hopes of getting you buy. It's why security measures are in place throughout the world today. If you feel darring enough to build in a war-zone, just to say "I did it, and all i got was this lousy t-shirt" -- then go for it! That's YOUR perogative!

Take care,
--Water

I also feel the need to put my two cents in...
I was one of the many visitors that got killed during the art exhibit, and I have to admit that I was dissappointed for I did not expect this to happen in an art show. Since I live far away from Jessie, to me it was not worth it to travel back to the gallery just to be killed again (and again, and again). While I support the fact that Jessie is a "free kill" area, I don't see the reason for the gallery to be in this locale just because it's a mature sim. The reason for Jessie is for people to be able to do what they want in a health risk zone, to feel free to express themselves even if it's in a violent nature. While I do not support what happened, I also understand that this is the risk that one takes by putting up a business/home in Jessie. Which is why I don't live there, and 'cause I believe in the saying "that if you don't like it there then get out".
There are many mature sims (most without health risk) in which freedom of expression and speech are welcomed and encouraged. Last night I was at a Sexy AV Contest in Chartreuse and I was very pleased to see how free people felt in their own sexuality. Since it's a mature sim, people felt free to dress whichever way they wanted and to say whatever they wanted, and there weren't any killing sprees (even though some naughty things were said ).

And to quote that great philosopher Dennis Miller: "that's just my opinion, I could be wrong"

Kats,

While I understand your reasoning, The Bhodi Tree Gallery is in Jessie for a reason beyond it's being a "mature" sim. We're here because of the rich history of artistic protest in Jessie - which Hamlet Linden has agreed to talk about in an upcoming event. We're here because we believe conflict breeds creativity. (We ascribe to Andre Breton's statement "Beauty should be convulsive or not at all.) We're here because art can be just as dangerous as guns. Change the way people think, and you've changed the world.

We're NOT here to pacify Jessie. It seems like lots of folk believe art and violence are incompatible. We disagree. Sometimes art, even good art, is a form of violence. And sometimes violence is a form of art.

This is not to say that the point of the Bhodi Tree Gallery is to promote violence. It's not. Nor is it to promote peace. We're here to promote ART. And we're happy that our fellow Jessians have accepted us and welcomed us.

Viva la revolucion!
Bhodi

If Jessie can be said to have a "rich history of artistic protest", all I can say is that, hmmm, better not to go there. All art is essentially parasitic in nature, and having an art gallery in Jessie is about as silly as building a beauty parlor or disco there. Even so, it's your right to build one there - and the right of everyone in Jessie to take shots at it and you.

As a long time resident of jessie im glad to have a place to post some of the cool shots i and others have taken in the heat of battle. I also feel that as far as shootings go as long as its not continuos spawn killings and orbiting script type bs that just wont let you alone, its ok.

Jack O