You call that personal issues that, I don't know.. -had- to be aired? For one thing you're wrong, I really didn't have to go that far to find people who were far more 'classy'.
When I first came over to say 'hi', it was because Artemis wouldn't take no for an answer. You moved in and she INSISTED that if I was so over it then I would go ahead and say hi. So I did. It really didn't go well, frankly I would've rather it didn't happen, but when you move in right next door to me i'm not given much choice.
Both of your calling cards were erased by me. I never asked for new ones. I moved out of Freelon to be away from you two, as far away from Club Vogue as I could be. I really wished I would never have to communicate with either of you again.
I thought you had me on ignore, but slowly it dawned on me that you didn't. You moved in next door to my new home, even though nothing had been patched up. When you put up various efigies of your undying love for one another, I frankly didn't care. It looked like crap anyway. Then you took 12% of the total Prim quota in the zone and stopped me from building anything, even if I got rid of everything I could do without.
So that brings us up to now. When you called me a -stalker-, you gave me no choice but to point out... A -- I chopped up both your calling cards so that I would not know your locations and you would not know mine. B -- I also moved out of Freelon to reduce the odds of running into you, and so you would not know where I could be found. And C -- You moved in directly adjacement to my land in a Simulator with a great deal of free land, even though it should have been understand I wanted no further interaction.
If I could get a restraining order, then I would move so you can keep the land you have. I -want- to keep playing Second Life, and I don't hate either of you enough to want you to leave either, but I didn't want to be forced into communication. What I do not want is for me to leave the Sim, then for you or Taessa to conveniently park right next to me.
You brought up the past in such a direct manner, calling me 'scorned', so I have to defend myself so people don't think i'm a -stalker-. Frankly you look more suspicious, but i'm not going to jump to egotistical illusions.
There are also things far more embarassing in all that old drama, if you truly want to get in-depth, but even being the notorious gossiper that I am, I have my limits. The object of this post is to point out that if I wanted to nitpick, and if I didn't want to waste the Linden's time, I have far greater reasons to file abuse reports and ask for some sort of restraining order, than you and yours possibly could.
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Stromko Perkins
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11-30-2003 02:09
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Stromko Perkins
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Re: omg this is insane.
11-30-2003 02:37
Originally posted by Briana Dawson Stromko, you come by our jome multiple times a week, hang out and talk. We've had as many as eight people there when you have showed up and talked to us. Yes, there were other people there, that was deliberate. I was trying to make the best of the situation I was forced into by being a relatively neighborly fellow. I didn't want to be with you two alone. I try not carry grudges. I had no grudge against you when we moved in, or you would have been banned from our land. You've yet to be banned from my land. For someone who never wanted to say anything to us, you sure do come by alot to talk about everything except your prim problems. All you had to do was -not- remove me from your ignore list. It's that easy. You could've -not- done a lot of things, but you did a lot of things that forced me to interact. If you're going to insult me for trying to make the best of the situation I was forced into you're on weak ground. You were scorned by Taessa and I have never gotten over it and It is really sad because SL has a number of boys (definetly not men) who become attracted to some women and then after an unsuccessful chase, become bitter and aggressive. I was into Taessa because she was quite easy to get, I won't get into exactly -how- that became easy because it would be needlessly embarassing for you and yours. I would recommend you not push it. Besides, most of it was just about gushing compliments and saying she was the sexiest girl in SL, that there was just something 'Special About Taessa'. Please.  I was -out- of Taessa because as easy as she was, she didn't really want me to be involved in her scenes. "Don't want me, can't have me.", is a motto that I grew out of that situation. Please let this go. You edited the original message to include 2 paragraphs of personal issue that was best left, private and personal. You are the one that brings up Taessa's name repeatedly and how "we left you alone", as well as telling everyone the same emotional sob story, which seems to twist and evolve into something more horrible with each retelling. I apologized for that and removed it. In the wee hours of the morning, very few people saw the things I said. None of it was anymore 'shocking' than what i'm saying now, in fact quite a lot more polite. For a little while back in October it -was- an issue of me not liking being 'left alone', but then I got over it. I'm sorry that you were hurt, but it is really time to remove your heart from your sleeve and move on. Go in peace. I never meant to hurt you, but this is why I closed the lines of communication in a bit more finalistic manner than merely /ignore. Why would I have to 'Go in peace.' when you moved in on the land I had settled on? You need to go in peace. You never should've came, it just represents the lack of consideration you give to others, and the lack of consideration placed on your own actions. You are not banned on our land.. But please, if you come there to talk, remember you were not invited, you came by your own will and that you are welcome if you mind your manners and that razor sharp tongue you wield like a weapon. I didn't ban either of you. I resented you for fencing me in and blocking off any free land I could've easily acquired to expand my gameboard. Now I resent you for taking more than your share of prims. Maybe when everyone says you're beautiful and super-duper special, you think you deserve twice as much as anyone should. I don't think you do, so you're gonna take flak. Again, I apologize for doing this in such a public forum, but by the gist of your message I believe any kind of private communication, especially given your brittle emotional state, would've resulted in some sort of harassment allegations. I think it's best to have neutral witnesses aware of what we say to one another, for both your protection and mine. And this is what you get for calling me a stalker. There's lot of dirty laundry I left out of this, and I will leave it out if I can. When you brought out -this- load of laundry, I chose to air it instead of letting you slander me without a fight. (hopefully I won't have to edit this post any, but this depends on if I scripted the 'bold' on quotes properly) |
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Rhysling Greenacre
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11-30-2003 03:04
With all due respect... Enough!
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Stromko Perkins
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11-30-2003 03:33
Nobody has to read this if they don't want to, and I point that out at this juncture because I think it could get a lot nastier once they wake up and read through all that.
I said a lot of things to defend my character, I can't say what's going on in their heads but those events are true. Nonetheless, they will have to make lengthy, hopefully articulate responses in order to defend their feelings of self. (edit: correction: they will -choose- to. Nothing wrong with defending yourself, it's what I did.) Just thought this deserved a word of warning. If I'm smart, I'll leave this thread alone now, but I have my moments of stupidity. Nonetheless, I suspect it's just going to get nastier whether or not I have anything to do with it, especially once everyone else decides to give their two cents. The warning goes double for them. To be perfectly honest I regret all of this, I wish we'd just filed our abuse reports and never said a word about it, but I don't believe in running away from problems. I think when things are out in the open they can be dealt with, resolved. I just hope that if I do anything I shouldn't, the moderators will give me a warning before anything too mean happens to me. (Edit: i'm going to bed. Ultimately my response was supposed to be simply, that I -wish- people would stop but this won't sadly doesn't look like it'll stop. I'm going to sleep, and before I wake I would not be surprised if this is on the 8th page, especially once various secondary characters begin throwing in their two cents.) |
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Aesendria Serpentine
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11-30-2003 17:57
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For someone who never wanted to say anything to us, you sure do come by alot to talk about everything except your prim problems. <<< I just had to make a quick post on this one, though I don't know how much good it will do in the toasty atmosphere of this thread. Strom, Art, Jade and I are pretty good friends on SL. Art and I (well more just me now I guess) have been trying to coax Strom into building bridges with Briana and Taessa over certain things from the past that I'd dearly love to not talk about any more. I don't think Strom coming over to talk has anything to do with still carrying a torch for Taessa. But since you two moved in right next door, it seems that we could all try to be adults and at least be polite, nice and civil to each other. Probably it's a little late for that in this thread, but hey, it could happen. Please file this post under FWIW. |
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Jim Lupis
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11-30-2003 20:28
ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!
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Julia Curie
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11-30-2003 20:53
The thread has 'personal' written all over it. The actions furthering that. You know who you are and what I am talking about.
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Cristiano Midnight
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11-30-2003 21:17
Ok, this has gone way too far now - let the f*cking thing die already. Quit adding to this post, there is nothing new or productive to be said. Work it out privately, in the game, involve the Lindens, whatever, just shut up.
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Jade Lily
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12-01-2003 09:06
This thread certainly does have personal written all over it--not at all what I intended it to become.
I began this thread because I hoped that bringing some public attention to the situation would coax Briana and/or Taessa into doing what *I* think we should all feel obligated to do: share with our neighbors. It was poorly written, an ostensible witch hunt, and inevitibly ill-received. I have ceased my arguments, and would like to offer my sincerest apologies to Tae and Bri for what I've done, and to the forum dwellers who took offense to the thread. Still, I hope we've all learned the most valuable lesson from all this drama: my dad can beat up all your dads.  ~ |
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Camille Serpentine
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12-01-2003 09:32
Linden Hippo Gods please kill this thread!
what a waste of time reading this.  wish I hadn't clicked on it and been sucked in. _____________________
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Jack Digeridoo
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what this thread represents
12-01-2003 09:34
This is how the Lidens want it. They want us at each other throats. Venting, ranting, rating, politicing until someone gives up and free's up the prims. Why do I say this?
Because the alternative is to slap more ram in the Hawthorn sim. RAM IS CHEAP LINDENS. I for one am sick of the "tools" they used to keep us quiet. Everyone stop yelling at each other and send Philip an email and DEMAND he raise the prim limit in Hawthorn! Fighting amongst each other is what they want. Why? 'cause it costs them less money. |
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Jellin Pico
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12-01-2003 10:00
Originally posted by Jade Lily Still, I hope we've all learned the most valuable lesson from all this drama: my dad can beat up all your dads. ~ ROFL  |
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Huns Valen
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12-01-2003 10:37
I find it is best not to name names when you are ostensibly talking about the general situation of something like this. It casts doubt on your motivations.
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Chip Midnight
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12-01-2003 12:42
Originally posted by Jade Lily I have ceased my arguments, and would like to offer my sincerest apologies to Tae and Bri for what I've done, and to the forum dwellers who took offense to the thread. Still, I hope we've all learned the most valuable lesson from all this drama: my dad can beat up all your dads. ~ Very cool of you Jade If any of my sarcasm offended you or anyone else I apologize too. And if I do it again you can challenge me to dads at ten paces, hehe._____________________
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Jim Lupis
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12-01-2003 13:24
Originally posted by Jade Lily Still, I hope we've all learned the most valuable lesson from all this drama: my dad can beat up all your dads. ~ Heh. You'd have to get me to stop beating up my dad before I'd turn him loose on anyone else. But that's a long, and mostly private story. |
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Dionysus Starseeker
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12-01-2003 14:02
SOMEONE obviously doesn't know the meaning of prim banking, and I'm starting to think it might be me.
I've always thought that prim banking was making a script that rezzes prims when someone comes near, but it has been referred to SEVERAL time on this thread as being the same as prim hoarding. I'm just looking for some form of clairity, because it seems that a large part of the argument is based off of a misunderstanding of this term. (ie, "Prim Banking" is illegal, so you can't have 200 prim bookshelves) If prim banking is what I'm pretty sure it is, then, that statement makes no sense. _____________________
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Alexis Fairchild
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12-01-2003 16:14
I can't believe that I sat here and read through 5 pages of nothing more than a personal attack on certain people because of a situation that was more of a function of building inneficiency than anything illegal.
One person even deleted items to help alleviate this problem, and they still get attacked. Will you people grow up already?!? For the record (before certain people accuse me of being partial), I do know Taessa a bit, but I haven't spent a lot of time with her... I think that I met Brianna a couple of times... again, not long enough to actually form a friendship. Same goes for Jade, and as for Stromko... I haven't met you yet. I suggest a compromise: Tae, Bri... could you possibly redesign your bookcases so that they use less prims now that you have some more knowledge of building, or possibly ask someone with more building experience to create a bookcase that looks almost exactly like yours with fewer prims? This still allows you to have your bookcases and free up some resources for the sim. Jade, Stromko... could you please stop bringing private matters and vilifying people in a public forum, thus dropping this thread other than agreeing or refuting this suggestion? And just for some background, someone asked me a while back if I could delete some stuff that I had to free up resources for a sim so they could build... I wound up deleting my whole home and sold back my land, not because of this person's request but because I rarely ever went there anymore and it saved me some taxes by getting rid of it. I hope to see 4 replies to this message... from Tae, Bri, Jade and Stromko, each agreeing to this suggestion; no parting shots, no personal attacks, just the word "Yes". If any of you say "No", then you're all on your own. Thank you for your time. Bye bye for now, Alexis |
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Hawk Statosky
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12-01-2003 16:31
Di - as I understand the parlance on the board, banking=hoarding=saving for a rainy day=whatever.
I've looked at this conversation flowing across the boards, and would just like to put out a general plea - people, please be sensible. Prims are a shared resource. They're scarce, and be need to make do with that, and work our way round our builds to do things just as nicely, but with lower prim cost. And if that means doing clever things with textures, prims, and scripting, so be it. For the record, if I could ever be bothered to have a full house somewhere, I'd definately consider auto-derezzing furniture if no-one's on the land. Ho-hum. That's my tuppence worth, anyway. Happy SL'ing. |
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chaunsey Crash
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12-01-2003 22:34
its nice living in a mostly empty sim hehehe.
back when jessie was empty besides me and 1 sometims 2 other people i had my large gallery. it took up some 50% or more of the sim object limit,it had over 6000 prims in it MUHAHAHAHA. it would still be up if it werent for taxes heh. damn you internet and your oppresive communist like bandwith limits/costs!!! |
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Stromko Perkins
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12-01-2003 22:54
Originally posted by Alexis Fairchild Tae, Bri... could you possibly redesign your bookcases so that they use less prims now that you have some more knowledge of building, or possibly ask someone with more building experience to create a bookcase that looks almost exactly like yours with fewer prims? This still allows you to have your bookcases and free up some resources for the sim. Taessa is a very accomplished builder, I've seen some very good designs that didn't take many primitives. If she did not wish to use more prims than was necessary, then she would not have. As far as I know, this was never actually part of the dispute, she told Jade she put the bookshelves up specifically to replace Briana's prim-bank when she was first contacted. That's the last thing I'm saying on this thread, because I have decided to move my own projects out of Hawthorne and give my land over to Jade. With Aesendria's house, my board, and Artemis' house de-rezzed, this freed up about 3% for Jade and other remaining residents. And for the record, I would have been happy to build a more efficient bookcase for them. I think about 15 prims. But, I don't think that would achieve what they want from their bookshelves. |
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Jade Lily
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12-02-2003 15:45
Alexis, if you would have read my previous post to this thread, I believe you would have found the response you requested. I've apologized. If Briana and Tae want to get rid of the bookshelves or replace them with a more prim-efficient model, I would be pleased. But I'm not going to complain about it anymore.
I will be spending a good deal of my time making newcomers aware of the prim limit situation, so that hopefully they can get into the habit of building efficiently. Of course, I will do this without attacking or even mentioning this thread, as I do not want to cause anymore grief for Bri and Tae. As the person who started this all, I ask that anyone who happened to give Bri or Tae negative ratings over all this, to please return them to positive or at least neutral, especially if they do something about the bookshelves. It wasn't my intent to cause them undeserved stress. Thanks. |
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Dionysus Starseeker
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12-02-2003 20:03
If you suspect prim abuse, call the prim abuse hotline. Too many prims grow up hurt and alone.
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eltee Statosky
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12-04-2003 08:26
see this is a really good example of why we need some form of in game system to regulate this prim issue.. because it makes for some really nasty neighbor against neighbor things that jus really honestly shouldn't happen. There should be a system in place thats both reasonably fair to people wanting to build new things, and reasonably fair to people who want to maintiain their existing builds.
Look over in the economy and taxes forum for some ideas in a prior thread of mine.. or over in the new feature forum for several other people's ideas on the issue. It devolves into a personal thing here *now* because it has to since thre is no current impersonal way of regulating this in the game... and there needs to be... it really hurts people on both sides and makes alot of nasty senseless bickering the only way people feel they have to outlet their frustrations in the current system and i think BOTH sides can agree... thats jus not right. There is no black and white right or wrong both sides of these things have valid complaints and valid concerns. That means theres just an impetous for change and if we all can agree to compromise a little... both the builders who need to lay off the personal attacks and vengefully frustrated threads (and i'm not gonna deny my own guilt to that effect)... and the hoarders or ineficient builders who really do need to understand that just because they CAN do something doesn make it right. just because you CAN yell fire in a crowded theatre doesn't mean you sholdn't be accountable for what happens if you do. the same applies to prim building... If you build what alot of people percieve as selfish things, you ought to be prepared to face the outcry from all of the people your actions have affected. that said.... what we really need is still a system from the lindens that alleviates this kind of bickering completely.. makes it fair, and open, for everyone.... and rather than personalized attacks.. we need to put this kinda frustration and energy into helpin give the lindens more ideas on what kind of system to that affect we'd like to see _____________________
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Maxx Monde
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12-04-2003 08:43
Self-policing.
How about a map overlay that shows via colors on a scale, the relative primitive object density in each square of the world map. Then the fact that you have a 100 primitive fork on your dining room table will be a plain fact for anyone to see. But perhaps we're not ready for that kind of informational transparency. Would make for some entertaining torch-and-pitchfork hunts in-game, anyway. |
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Julia Curie
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12-04-2003 12:11
Here's an idea for you prime bankers. Make the boxes really small, stick transparency textures on them then link them and slide them into objects already out. How's anyone going to tell then. Pfft. (PS this is a joke for you flame happy people out there and folks who like to go looking for trouble)
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