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New Form of Griefing

Rivn Epoch
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Join date: 17 Dec 2002
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02-23-2003 10:15
I logged on lastnight for about 1 min to see if someone was on I wanted to talk to and low and behold this is what I found...

2 plots of land away from where Knights Supply was formerly located was a LARGE Penis statue and loud heavy metal rock music played everytime you moved your avatar , I didnt bother to investigate , It appeared from a distance to be just at biggest a 2 by 2 plot of land with 2 items on it and a voting booth, what possible reason other than being a griefer would someone put the statue there and the music ... perhaps to get the neighbor to sell the land so they could move there themselves?

Something that is just starting but could become a major problem in the future , Im interested in seeing what becomes of this situation ... how this is handled may be the future deterent from these type of things happening in the future ...all eyes will be on this one im sure
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Jack Miller
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02-23-2003 11:34
Well, as long as this is on a mature sim, I doubt it will be stopped, unless of course the music is casuing some sort of bandwith problem.

I understand how annoying and upsetting this could be, but, its probably not going to be considered griefing :(
Ama Omega
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02-23-2003 11:47
I almost think voting booths need two options - one for negative votes. But really if someone is trying to be offensive they aren't gonna put a voting booth out. Plus the other problems with being able to cast negative votes.
Rivn Epoch
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02-23-2003 12:05
was in a PG sim
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Kerstin Taylor
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02-23-2003 14:12
Shortly after I logged on last nite, I had a newbie IM me, reporting a large penis and testicles on Clementina. She found it offensive, and didn't know how to find a Linden to report the member to.

Now to be honest, I was not so concerned about the penis itself, but about it being reported to me. Have I gotten a reputation as one who has an inordinate interest in penises? Have I somehow been assigned to handle penises? Should I expect regular reports of penises in inappropriate places?

With all these questions whirling through my mind, and the newbie continuing to convey penile distress signals via IM, I did what anyone concerned about penises would do... I contacted Ben Linden.

Well first of all, Ben informed me that indeed I am in charge of all Second Penises. He seemed to feel that this was a matter of course, and to be expected. I have not yet had the opportunity to find out if this is an earned or appointed position, but I assure you, my dear fellow residents, I take all your penile needs quite seriously.

Anyway, next in this saga, I am proud to say, that in his usual eagerness to resolve even the most distasteful problem, our Ben rushed to the scene of the penis. In short order, Ben had whacked the offending tallywhacker, ripping the penis forthrightly from Clementina, and returning SL to our normal idyllic world.

Many thanks, Ben. I truly appreciate that we have at least one Linden who realizes how distressing a penis can be, particularly when encountered in an unexpected place, and won't hesitate to give it the axe.

I would like to recommend that our best scripters immediately develop a script which would emit a warning whenever a penis is detected in an area. This script could then IM the nearest appropriate person to come and take care of it in the most suitable manner.

;)
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Jack Miller
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02-23-2003 14:14
LOL Kerstin! That was very funny! :D
Shebang Sunshine
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02-23-2003 14:20
From: someone
[.....] penises [....] penises [....] penises [.....]


I thought the plural of penis was penii?

Yes? Penii?
No?
Penises?

Which is it?

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Wednesday Grimm
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02-23-2003 14:24
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition says "penises" or "penes".

There is no where good that this thread can go from this point I suggest that you all return to your homes immediately.

Also, the web site where I got that definition suggested that I
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Misnomer Jones
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02-23-2003 15:48
AH HAH!

Another use for Wednesdays oven cleaner.
Thai Greenacre
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Join date: 25 Nov 2002
Posts: 106
Hmmmm phallus
02-23-2003 17:46
Maybe we need a phallus committee. They can have badges shaped accordingly and weekly meetings. I am sure the salute would be interesting. They could have bake sales to raise money. Man those would be some cool cookies.
No love we don't think of you as a girl fixated on the penis persay. it would be a general male fixation. LOL.
Oh, and just think we could have an official Phallus Club song.....done to the tune of Old Christmas Tree of course.
BuhBuhCuh Fairchild
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02-23-2003 18:00
Phalii?
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Misnomer Jones
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02-24-2003 01:43
Anyone doubting Thai's seriousness ought to have a look at his, errr... lighthouse. Complete with condom. LOL. There's a treasure hunt for ya! And yes, it's on a mature sim.
Wednesday Grimm
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Join date: 9 Jan 2003
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02-24-2003 06:57
This:
http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=272617
is exactly why we need someone in charge of these affairs.

Also, people, can we please be mature about this and use the proper medical terminology: "wang".

Thank you.
Rivn Epoch
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02-24-2003 08:19
Well as usual this thread has become a bit off subject or maybe to in subject with a literal interpritation....

at any rate the whole purpose of the thread is to show how people are able to grif the neighbor in this new way , not to cool ......

sounds as though it was removed from SL but was that all that happened to the creator ? just removal of the object in question or was more done?

If it was just removal and nothing more then sounds as though they are free to continue this type of thing... hopefully they did more at LEAST a email or ingame warning that PG means just that PG nothing more than that should be or will be accepted and continuing to put mature items in a PG sim would be more severly punished ... I mean if we have it open to whatever someone wants to put and there is no consequence then how is it then a PG sim ? and if the only punishment is possible removal of an item then whats to stop everyone from puttng down whatever they feel like and takin chances of it being removed

am I off base with this too??

Just my opinion remember its not here to try and piss anyone off and its nothing personal directed at anyone so dont feel like im pissin in your cereal
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Jennifer Linden
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02-24-2003 09:21
Well, my problem was as soon as i read yer post yesterday, I logged in to find out the who, where etc..

And I couldn't find the blasted thing. So without any information,
I'm up a tree. Maybe someone else beat me to it.

And no I don't think you're off base. Personally I'd like some input on how to handle things like this... and ideas?
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Shebang Sunshine
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02-24-2003 09:34
From: someone
Personally I'd like some input on how to handle things like this... and ideas?


First offense: Unofficial warning -- if the warner is not a Linden, should find and tell a Linden that they've warned [whomever] about [whatever].

Second offense: Warning from a Linden -- make it clear that subsequent violations will result in a temporary ban from the game.

Third offense: Temporary ban from the game.

Fourth offense: Longer ban from the game.

Fifth offense: Adios!

That's how I've always handled troublemakers in my chats.

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Kerstin Taylor
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02-24-2003 09:45
:)

From: someone
Originally posted by Rivn Epoch


RIVN: at any rate the whole purpose of the thread is to show how people are able to grif the neighbor in this new way , not to cool ......

**KERSTIN: Penises should not be used to grief anyone at anytime. If you can't find anything better to do with your penis than blast rock music from it and hang a voting box on it, then I question what you're doing in SL anyway. 99% of the people in SL have found excellent and creative uses for penises. But there just have to be a few bad apples in every bunch that sling their winkies here, there, and everywhere in an effort to do nothing but make the people around them miserable. To these few who want to ruin things, I say PUT THAT THING WHERE IT BELONGS!

RIVN: sounds as though it was removed from SL but was that all that happened to the creator ? just removal of the object in question or was more done?

**KERSTIN: I'm curious about this one myself. What exactly did happen to the penile perpetrator? Was his penis simply removed? Were his testicles also removed? Were any other appendages removed? Was he castigated and derided? Or was he simply set free to wreak his phallic pranks on more unsuspecting SL residents? And just how many votes did his penis get? If he got 4 votes did the system automatically pay him for his penis?

RIVN: If it was just removal and nothing more then sounds as though they are free to continue this type of thing...

**KERSTIN: Indeed, we need a clear and detailed statement from Linden on penises. Can SL residents do as they please with their penises? Or will activities with penises be constrained within certain parameters? Will we be able to do more with a penis on a mature sim than on a PG sim? Or will you have to handle your penis the same way regardless of the rating of the sim you're on?

RIVN: I mean if we have it open to whatever someone wants to put

**KERSTIN: NOT a good idea to leave yourself open to invasion by any penis that comes along. And please, folks, watch where you put your penises. Do NOT put them where they may not be wanted. At the very least, ask first. And if you're going to hang a vote box on it, make sure it's at least worth a few votes.

RIVN: if the only punishment is possible removal of an item then whats to stop everyone from puttng down whatever they feel like and takin chances of it being removed

**KERSTIN: We need more than simple removal of offending penises, or everyone will be plopping them down along with who knows what other body parts, all over our beloved SL. Removal of penises is not enough if we are to get them under control.
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Ama Omega
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02-24-2003 09:51
From: someone
First offense: Unofficial warning -- if the warner is not a Linden, should find and tell a Linden that they've warned [whomever] about [whatever].



I disagree only with this step. I think it has the potential to cause unnecessary strife in the community. I think all warnings should come from an official source, because I think it should be them that ultimatly decides what is innapropriate. Sorta. More like I think there should be an official method for someone to report such a situation that would get a linden to look at it and issue a first warning, through IM or email or whatever. And remove the object.

The rest I agree with #!.
Numskll Teevee
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Join date: 12 Feb 2003
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02-24-2003 09:58
From: someone
Originally posted by Jennifer Linden
Personally I'd like some input on how to handle things like this... and ideas?


First and foremost, if you are dealing with an unknown penis ( or any strange organ or appendage) please DON'T handle it at all. The best thing to do is to pretend not to see it and think about something pleasant, like kittens for instance.

If the organ is in an inconvenient place or obstructing traffic I'd recomend calling the proper authorities. I beleive one such person claimed authority in a post above me.

In short, when suprised by an unknown penis, do not approach it or encourage it and, for the love of all that is holy, do not believe anything it says; believe me, even the most well behaved penis is likely to be dishonest and manipulative. Seek the help of a professional who is accustomed to handling such things.

I hope this helps
Tracey Kato
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02-24-2003 10:01
Obviously we need more police. Let's make SL a total police state!! One, or even two, Lindens for every player in case one Linden has his/her back turned, the other can nab the offending perpetrator of bad deeds.

Obviously if a minor is now allowed in world, even on mature sims, what is the big deal ?? It was just a penis, after all, half the population has one and most of the other half already know what they look like!

Come on guys…. it was as a joke. It’s gone, let it rest.
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Peter Linden
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Community Standards and Objects on PG sims
02-24-2003 10:04
Short answer to this:

We are working on a community standards reporter that will allow the residents to click send a community standard violation to Linden Lab. This will not prevent this type of "griefing", but it will make it easier to residents to report and Linden Lab investigate.

Objects in the shape of human anatomy that is normally covered by the minimal set of of under-garments as found in the avatar customization screen would indeed violate this standard.

Glad to see it was removed,

-Peter
Shebang Sunshine
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02-24-2003 10:23
From: someone
Originally posted by Ama Omega
I disagree only with this step. I think it has the potential to cause unnecessary strife in the community. I think all warnings should come from an official source, because I think it should be them that ultimatly decides what is innapropriate. Sorta. More like I think there should be an official method for someone to report such a situation that would get a linden to look at it and issue a first warning, through IM or email or whatever. And remove the object.

The rest I agree with #!.


Unofficial warnings from peers can be a good thing when done correctly.

"Pst... BobbyJoe... penises aren't allowed in Natoma because it's a PG sim. Ya might wanna think about moving that bad boy over to Hawthorne before a Linden sees it =)"

as opposed to:

"Yo, BobbyJoe, get the bleeping penis out of here immediately! I'm tellin' MommyLinden! I'm tellin' MommyLinden! Yer gonna get a spanking!"

Right now the world is small and fairly manageable. There are usually 3 Lindens in world at all times (number fluctuates, of course) to handle the rest of the 50 or so residents. What happens when there are 500 residents in world at a time? Or 5000? Or 50,000? How many Lindens does it take to babysit 50,000 residents?

[ fade into old commercial... owl licking a tootsie pop.... *lick* one... *lick* two... *lick* three... *crunch* Three ]

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Shebang Sunshine
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02-24-2003 10:28
From: someone
Originally posted by Numskll Teevee
First and foremost, if you are dealing with an unknown penis ( or any strange organ or appendage) please DON'T handle it at all.


Do not feed it. If you feed it, it will follow you home and then you'll never be able to get rid of it.

Do not name it. Once you give it a name you will start to care about it. Once you care about it, you will be tempted to feed it and/or handle it.

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Re: Community Standards and Objects on PG sims
02-24-2003 10:32
From: someone
Originally posted by Peter Linden
Short answer to this:

We are working on a community standards reporter that will allow the residents to click send a community standard violation to Linden Lab. This will not prevent this type of "griefing", but it will make it easier to residents to report and Linden Lab investigate.


The reporter will, I assume, automatically report the reporter's current location in world, yes?

From: someone

Objects in the shape of human anatomy that is normally covered by the minimal set of of under-garments as found in the avatar customization screen would indeed violate this standard.


But only in the PG sims, correct?

(No, I have no intention of erecting monuments in the shape of "private parts"... but is anyone else thinking of the scene in Patch Adams where Patch decorates the entrance to the building where the visiting GYN's are being taken?)

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Tracey Kato
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02-24-2003 10:44
I hate to keep harping on the same subject, HOWEVER…..

We now have a known minor that is allowed to travel in any sim they so desire. The community at large took steps to keep this individual out of mature sims, and was told by a Linden that it was unfairly discriminating against this individual and deleted the alert

If a minor can travel on any sim they so desire, listen to mature conversations, view mature situations, WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL ABOUT A FAKE PENIS in a PG sim ??

Do I smell a double standard ??
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