Give them their own forum topic?

The irony is palpable.

*pulls out flamethrower*

With all do respect Jeska the topic is the general fourm. I'm more than a little confused, but it's your call.

Cat

Yup me too. Guess we have to wait for them to sharpen their folks and light their torches.

I've been expecting it.

My thoughts on that are that it's bad. I also think that it is against the TOS on the grounds of being a privacy policy breach, as Nolan pointed out.

I have given this particular issue a lot of thought, in terms of my ideas for Forum Reforms, and I decided I wouldn't want it spelled out, "Thou shalt never accuse a person of being someone's alt" in the rules, because sometimes there IS an obvious alt, and everything is confusing until that is pointed out, then everyone says "oh," and the alt goes away.

However, if someone wanted to report it, it is a privacy policy breach. The Lindens would then have it at their discretion whether or not to hand out a warning for it. So I decided it would be counterproductive to insist on having this particular application of the privacy policy rule spelled out in detail in the Forum Reforms I will be suggesting. The fact that a case can be made well that it is a breach of privacy policy if one wishes to, as I could, in my case, if I wished to.

By the way, Catherine is not my "friend" in the sense that I know her at all, or in the game. I do agree with her on many things, including the observation that the forums are not a friendly place to be, and in general, consider her an ally. I don't agree, though, with stating that someone is another person's alt. I agree with those who point out that the use of a currently popular word with some ("hyperbole" is not any indication whatsoever that one person is another's alt.

coco

P.S. I see we've been moved. *Looks around* Where are we?

Again I apologized for that remark and changed the post.

*looks everywhere for cheese in this thread n can't find any*

Alright I gotta say something here.

I think its a huge mistake for LL to let it even appear that a handful of ppl run the forums and can say anything they like to other customers, and I do mean anything. I am so sick and tired of this I could puke. Once again someone incinuates that I'm fucking stupid and yet they continue to post and this is "acceptable" in the eyes of LL. So that's how it realy is here huh? Well that realy sucks. If I cannot post without every post I ever made being brought up over and over and over and over and over again as if its a bad thing that I spoke my opinion then "fuck the LL forums" I don't need the heartache, stress or negativitiy in my life. If this is the way it is then do me a favor and rename them the SLunivers/LL Fourms and be done with it. I'm so done with trying to make a change here. If this unbalanced bullshit is only apparent to me then why isn't 99% of SL posting? I will post again after there has been a change here, but for now screw this. I'm done being called "fucking stupid" and LL doing nothing about it..

Cya.

There is a problem with using the group forums as a platform for personal expression. The membership required for getting a group forum was stated by Jeska as 15 people in a message directed to me and as 20 people in the forums. Having a membership requirement this high in order to get a group forum makes the group forums pretty much worthless for presenting ideas that don't already have a fair amount of support, unless th the person wanting the forum just pays people to join. Getting 20 people to join a group is not that easy, especially for those of us who aren't social gadflies, and given the severe limitation on the number of groups people can be in.

Might anyone favor reducing the number of people required to be in a group in order to create a group forum to, say five people, or even the 3 required to form a group, or maybe just make the requirement be in the form of money instead of membership?

Therein lies the problem with this idea, Cat. There's no particular "group." There are only those that agree, disagree, or have no opinion about any particular issue, and the assorted humor post thrown in for good measure. I find the tendency of people to see everything in terms of groups, mobs, regulars, or however else you care to categorize people, to be overly simplistic. It all changes from issue to issue. You said in your original post "forum regulars." Would that be all regulars? Those you agree with? Those you disagree with? Those who try to inject humor? What issue would you use as the litmus test for who belongs in the newly created forum and who doesn't?

Rather than try to segregate the forums in some arbitrary fashion I think it's much better to accept that human discourse is a messy business and it's likely to always have elements you don't care for. What you might see as individuals being personally attacked for being who they are, I see as individuals with positions that simply aren't popular being responded to in entirely predictable ways by other individuals. They could easily put a stop to it simply by dropping whatever issue it is that attracts the responses they don't like. Certain issues that a few people like to harp on such as the FIC, favoritism, commercialism is evil, etc, are prime candidates for dropping because they always go over like a lead balloon.

As for random pictures, pie references, and other attempts at levity, the forum would be a very dull place without them.

I saw that, after I wrote my post, and I wasn't the least surprised that you did. My post was just to answer the question put to me.

coco

P.S. "What you might see as individuals being personally attacked for being who they are, I see as individuals with positions that simply aren't popular being responded to in entirely predictable ways by other individuals. They could easily put a stop to it simply by dropping whatever issue it is that attracts the responses they don't like."

So well they could, Chip. They could drop an issue because they are called dozens - and I DO MEAN DOZENS - of personal names. Yes, it could work, to get someone to shut up by name calling and personal slander, and it HAS worked plenty in the past.

It won't work with me, though. I won't give up my observations or my principles (freedom of speech, equal opportunity, and not piling up on individuals), or my desire for good SL forums just because I've been called every name in the book.

Good forums wouldn't allow people to drive off others this way, however unpopular their ideas may be.

This post just might ruin my Yom Kippur.

Man these fourms are full of assholes.

Yeah I can play head games with the best of ya. I just made the mistake of avoiding that till now.

Better hem that skirt. Your slip is showing!

OMGWTFBBQ @#45& o.O uR JEWISH???!?1111

Some ppl in these forums "get off" by putting other ppl down. I honestly believe they are wacking off as they post. Got some sick bastards in these forums.

Is that what you did when you agreed with blaze that Bedazzled were prostituting themselves in that thread where YOU were putting THEM down??

Just asking because I eat a lot of cheesecake and it causes me to think everyone else does too...

How about a Penalty Box Forum as a concept?




Yes. Humor can be good. Btw, the other day, when I was watching a boxing match on TV, a general forum discussion broke out!

LL forum advice:

When you can't get your victim to see things your way bring up some old shit over and over and over again, and act like they should be ashamed of giving their opinion on anything. If they can't see things our way we must distroy them and make them sorry they ever dared go up against the collective.


We are so blinded by hatred we dont see what assholes we realy are....

and neither does anyone else muwhahahahaha

The sky is blue.

Isn't that exactly what you're doing? Some people will rub you the wrong way. Why not just accept that? When you complain about individuals you're always going to get a backlash because they're going to defend themselves. It's not quite rocket science, Cat

A Penalty Box forum would probably be the most popular place to hang out! People would be breaking the TOS just to get in!

coco

Nah, if your opinion is that someone is "beneath you", or that they are "prostituting" themselves, its VERY relevant to highlight that when that same someone is preaching at others about morality and portraying themselves as an angel, especially when their past "opinions" clearly show that they aren't.

It's also VERY telling when that supposed puritan indirectly calls me an asshole.

And yes, you should be ashamed of that opinion - anyone who puts people down in such a personal way and then claims to stand on higher moral ground should be.

Now, this is the second time you've put me on "ignore" today, and really haven't. Go figure. I guess you cannot help yourself...

Bottom line is - if you don't want your past brought up stop condemning others for supposedly doing things you yourself have done.