Would you agree to let LL check textures before they are in game?

Many people have been complaining about copyright stuff, and people in SL
that are copying other people's work.

I was wondering would you like if SL reviews all textures that go into world?

Like in THERE.COM, they had people that looked at textures and contents before bringing into game, it took about 1-2 days for a texture to come into game, it later took a week for a "Shirt" to be approved.

Would you like SL to do that? Since there is tons of copyright issues, and many people complaining about it...
Would you wait 1-3 days for a shirt to be approved?!?

a) No one is really complaining about copyright, they are merely raising it as a debate point.

b) LL will never do this unless the law somehow makes them do it.

c) There allows minors inworld which is why they need to verify content.

I voted "hell no" on this. Even though I despise copyright infringement and copycats, this would be a logistical nightmare for everyone involved.

You never know Tons of stuf is been copied in sl, such as logos and designs.



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These are just some of the stuff that is going on... there is tons more..

It would be cost prohibitive... LL tends to prefer systems that can be automated and don't require a set of human eyes (IE, Dwell, Rating and so forth instead of "judging" objects).

-Flip

Where in the world are you getting those numbers? I've never heard of it taking over 6 hours for something to be approved in There.

Yes, now that the user base is so small - in the past, it would often take several days for a design to be approved - sometimes up to a week, depending on the backlog.

Texture screening would be completely unworkable in SL. There are processes in place to report and handle copyright issues.

I'm not going to start a fight about which is better, but There has grown quite a bit since a new company bought There. There are over 2,000 member developers and thats just 35% of the total population of There.

The reason why approval takes less time now is because of more staff. There has been a 45% increse in submissions every day. Thats about 6,000 things being submited every 6 hours. There is any thing but small.

If texture uploads had to be approved, this would be a nightmare for clothing and skin designers. It'd take, what, a month to make an outfit? Think misalligned seams are bad now....

I know Second Life is 18+ but for heavens sake, I don't think the Lindens know some of the things that are out there. I mean and even the talk that goes on. It'd be a good idea if there was some kind of moderation on the more sick things.

LL is very much aware there is xxx and cyber in SL. That's what mature sims are for. I think the screening wuvme is talking about is simply to filter out copyright infringements.

I'm talking about an avatar that looks like a child and is a sex slave. I'm talking about sex machines that are shaped like old people, yes old people. I mean this is beyond XXX! This is hard core freak-o's who are doing this.

Its crazy... Its down right bizare!

Well, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but old people do have sex.

Having to pass textures through channels in There is one reason I quit playing There.

coco

Well just being walked up to and having someone ask you to have sex is not a good first impression. I perfer There but still I play Second Life. If you don't trash talk There, I won't trash talk Second Life.

Because if you have not noticed, each has flaws.

As distasteful as you may find it, if there's no minors involved, sex play between consenting adults and even the use of fully simulated images of children in sexual situations is completely legal in the US. (See Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition.)

As for the elderly, that's certainly not illegal and shouldn't even be up for debate. What's wrong with the elderly --or even images of the elderly-- having sex?

As long as no laws are being broken, being a "hard core freak-o" is their right. The Lindens do have legal discretion to ban users for basically any reason, but I would expect you'd have a fairly difficult time coming up with an argument to convince them that someone's fetish is reason enough.

well tons of ppl complain and argue about copyrights..

Sooner or later someone is gonna try to sue LL or someone.. LOL

Dont you think LL will want to put something like this?
I know this will MEGA SUCK

But im not saying "HUSH, and BEQUIET" because if someone copied something out of me.. i would so be *itching and complaining.. and i would make a big fiasco.. over it.


THIS IS NOT ABOUT SEX CONTENT.. its about copy and copyright stuff...

The numbers im talking about is about 1 year ago.. when THERE.com was very slow..
it took about a week to get a damn SHIRT approved.

First of all, im not dissing any game, and im not trash talking.

What i am saying is.. would ppl like LL to check what we submit into the game.. such as TEXTURES.

Im not talking about SEX or OLD people.
Im talking about textures and copyright stuff........

This was created to express opinions.. but if you dont like to hear people's opinions.. then the forums is not your thing.

It seems to me that you had a bad "Sex" experiement in SL, i dont blame you, but you should have reported the person that asked to have sex with you, many people have bad experiences with online games, I myself have bad experiences with there.com, but dont bring it up into a thread that has nothing to do with the subject

wuviee.

Wuvme, LL has DMCA takedown notices which gives them safe harbor.

yea, but still.. there is tons of people who has "NIKE" logo on shirts and pants..


If they watched the textures that comes into sl.. they will eliminate that. But many residents would be pissed about it, including myself

I suspect linden labs would be pretty pissed too, considering the amount of textures they'd have to watch.

As a bona fide There.com beta, got the Class of Pangaea t-shirt and life-time membership, member I can tell you that the wait for textures to be approved at times took WEEKS. Yes weeks, as in plural more-than-one-or-two-week weeks.

As for "having them look at everything before it comes in will stop copyright violations" - that can't work either. Sure, it can stop violations of well know copyrighted items - but regular folks looking at textures wouldn't/couldn't know 99% of all things that are copyright protected in the world.

There.com reviews uploaded items not for copyright violations (that is just a side note) - but for mature content violations so they can open their doors to the under 18 crowd.

Not only is that sort of texture approvals not needed or wanted in SL, it wouldn't work even if it was tried.

I think I would rather clean my apt than be a member of another online community that did this. This is why I refuse to make anything new in There.

I dont want them to but I wouldnt have a problem if they felt it was necessary

I would like to stand up and publically apologize as I have purchased Nike, Adidas, San Francisco 49'er and Dallas Maverick logo'ed clothing in world. Having spent some time on THERE, I assumed that if they were available for purchase in SL then things were kosher.

Since I can still claim newbie status for a few more weeks, I hope you all will give me a pass on this one. If someone knows of a huge bonfire in the world I will gladly host an old fashioned type "book burning" and throw my trademarked belongings into the flames. (But can I please, please, please, keep my Niner Jersey? Hehe.)

The moment LL begins policing uploads, they obliterate their safeguards as a service provider and immediately become liable for any infringing or illegal content which might (and will certainly) slip through. In the case of a company which is aspiring to be the Metaverse, it is vital that they do everything in their power to present an image of the indifferent and passive service provider. By adhering to the DMCA takedown procedure, they're safe from lawsuit and they don't need to waste precious manhours actively enforcing an ineffectual, inconvenient, and idiotic policy.

Thank goodness Tim Berners-Lee wasn't surrounded by amateur IP attorneys. Otherwise, we'd have to sign a EULA every time we click a bloody link.