ATTN: No Mod Clothing Designers...WHY!?!?!

I love you Jonq!!

This thread illustrates the problem. We're ego freaks if we do no mod, thieves if we do no transfer. Yay!!

You forgot inventory clogged if we make things copyable.

I've figured out an easy way around these problems. Mark all the items no-sale. Er, wait... never mind

Transfer or copy -- pick one.

You aint gonna get both outta me... why? because if I do that you will see REAL theft.

And this aint speculation.... its fact. It has and will happen. Just go see how much you can pay for a free hottub... I tell ya they get pretty expensive - I know because I have to put up with ppl IMimg me all the time to fix stuff that other ppl borked and jacked the price up on.

Siggy.

No, it isn't.

Don't accuse people of theft, really. It's rude.

Theft? I think you're being needlessly insulting.

It is no great effort to take a peek at the permissions. Yes, it would be nice if designers would mention the permissions on thier vendors and advertising, but this is a quibble.

In the past I've always set my clothing to no-mod mostly because of the aforementioned texture theft issue. I wasn't fully aware of the fix they made to that issue until recently. I also set my stuff to no-mod because a lot of it is skin-tight underwear type of stuff which means there's not much use in moving the sliders anyway. Also the coloration in my textures usually doesn't lend itself to tinting (Firenymph is the exception - it was designed for that). But this thread has been a bit of an eye-opener on how much people don't like no-mod so I am considering rethinking my permissions. I will probably put stuff out as moddable (and maybe change my old stuff over) since the texture theft issue is no longer a problem. I have a particular way I intend my clothing to look but I also want my customers to be happy.

And I'd like to mention I'm always open to suggestions from my customers on issues like these. Feel free to IM me if you'd like a custom set of permissions on something and we can work something out.

Well it had a ring to it... besides I didnt say one name.
I just think if I buy something out of my own real money I should be able to do what I like with it...I understand no copy.. but thats it.

You didn't have to say one name.. Instead, you accused anyone who sells clothing with no Transfer of being thieves.

How about this... since those nasty, thieving designers don't cater to your desires, make your own stuff.

Generally speaking, I won't buy clothing that is no-mod. I like being able to change the color of something to match other somethings in my wardrobe. I have no issue with no transfer (until it comes time to hand me down to an alt). I'm ambivilant on no-copy, having accidently deleted and purged items by mistake (usually during an IM storm).

Usually, if I want to buy something as a gift, I ask the maker to sell me a transferrable copy.

I have no real issue with people who insist upon making no mod clothing. I just tend not to buy from them. (shrug)

i agree LL needs to fix the permissions issue. Now my two cents.....alright 50 cents

As a consumer, oh hell why not be honest a shoppaholic.. I like when things are modifyable for all the reasons previously mentioned. Copy is nice for housing I have seriously messed up several houses and was glad that I had a copy in my inventory to start over with

Transfer I wish all items were transferrable for the gift option, transferrable but not resellable. Many times I've seen items that I would love to surprise a friend with only to find that it's no transfer. Yes I could IM the designer and I have done so, several times.

My biggest issue would be as a consumer please label your designs with the permissions clearly stated. I have purchased items when all you get is the option to pay, no indication as to the permissions, get it in my inventory and find it's no transfer..

Sending an IM to the designer has yielded the following responses:

1. The designer was gracious and sent a copy to the person I was buying it for (yep a men's thong just didn't fit me right nor did the men's shoes) I even sent them $ to pay for the item again and they returned the $.

2. The designer was not online, never responded to the IM. I realize they probably had maxed their im's and never received it. So I patiently checked every so often when I was online never was able to catch up with them. Wrote it off and moved on, if they have something I want for me I'll purchase again from them, if not I don't.

3. As above except I finally saw the designer online, but they never responded. Wrote it off and don't purchase from them.

Okies all I wanted to say

*hugs*
Ash

I sold my stuff no-mod because of the theft possibility. Now, I'm changing my tune since it'd be very tough to steal anything as things are now.

I've been asked for mod versions of my clothes, and I'm more than happy to give it to them. All ya gotta do is ask, most of us are nice I'm currently subscribing to the "no-copy" school of thought. Makes the most sense.

Without reading all of the previous posts I must say I never buy no mod clothing no matter what the sellers reasoning is. After all I am the one who has to wear it.

i think no mod and no copy are perfectly fine to put on products because i've had very little reason to mod any clothing that i buy so far. and no copy is a good hindrance to cloning everything we buy. however, no transfer is really annoying to me because it complicates my spontaneous bursts of generosity. if i see something which i think will look nice on a friend, i basically have to tp my friend over and pay him/her to buy it which just completely kills the surprise if you ask me. and as for asking the designer to sell me a transferable version, well, designers are hardly ever online, and by the time they are, my spontaneity is gone

All my clothes are mod and transfer as I prefer to buy clothes myself that have these permissions.

I personally like copy+mod, no-transfer clothing. I find that the ability to make outfits far outweighs the ability to give gifts, as the latter happens more rarely (at least from my POV ). Being able to completely change your entire wardrobe with a click + drag of a folder still astounds me. Whenever you need to send a gift, just IM the seller of the object.

Im still left thinking, "Why do people have to choose between an organizational ability and a gift-giving ability?". Its an all-too-obvious sign that the permission system sucks arse.
==Chris

Everyone needs to save me from myself and sell their stuff no copy. I have about 100 copies of everything.

How about no!...but good suggestion.. I enjoy wearing them and pay enough for them to moan. its my right as a Consumer.

No copy= understanable
No Edit = slightly self indulgent
No transfere= makes no sence. <------just because its there doesnt mean u have to use it. LL make it available people use use it.
but hell like I said I would be happy with a transfere once option, then I dont need to bug busy enough allready designers about getting present versions.

Moan all you like.

Don't call people theives when they aren't. Hyperbole is rude and serves no functional purpose in debates such as this.

Yea but it is pretty fun to watch everyone react like I threw a glass of water over them!
These forums really do need to relax a bit...
Maybe this will help: Im sorry for calling all you guys theifs, anybody that knows me knows how much I love my cloths in second life, and I am greatful for all the cool work put in.
Im not getting into this fighting s^&t on forums..26 is too old for that.

Well no worries, Richie. I've made sure that I can never steal from you by selling you No Transfer items. At least not from my big store.

I dont actually worry about the permissions when I buy something for myself.

Mod items are handy, But I figure if its no mod at least will always look the way it did when I bought it.

I only worry if its transfer if I am planing on a gift.


On attachments Of course I need to be able to Mod , becuase Im smaller than the average Av. This is mainly for attachments meant to wrap araound a part of the Av, Like a necklace or armband.

I'm not that bothered about modding clothes UNLESS the pants are uberly baggy, or have huge flares that make me look silly.

No transfer annoys me intensely, but only because I don't like to bother the creators by getting them to send copies to my friends.

I like the transfer once option Richie had, but I am not sure this could ever be implemented.

Saying that, whatever the perms are, doesn't stop me buying stuff I want.

mmm... ok.

I sell most of my things mod/transfer. PERSONALY I don't have the need to mod most of what I buy (clothes wise) cos it looks like the picture & that's how I like it.

I see the need for people to use mod, if you like your pants more flared, your skirt more bustled, people told me they like to tint things which shocks the hell out of me but feel free..

So, as I said - MOD away. I wouldn't condem (sp?) designers most of the time for selling no mod, cos it's their choice to. They decided to make the shirt pink, they decided to make it no modify. FOR whatever reason. They made it - their choice. It's your choice to buy it or not. (i *DO* think that if you make something no mod you should specify it since obviously so many people feel so strongly about this)

The reason I chose transfarable items is because when I was a young innocent wide-eyed designer, I was often asked for a transfarable version, cos people wanted to give stuff away as gifts. (This was around xmas time I think..) So I made all my things transfarable! It made sence. Since then I only got one request to exchange an item to copy/notrans. & I found it flattering that the girl knew she'll never want to give that dress away!

& it makes sence! you can exchange a nocopy/transfer item, you can't exchange a copy/notransfer item! & Yes, most deisgners will answer their IMs & exchange to what you want etc etc. (ok SOMETIMES we forget but mostly we do)

I believe in transfarable items cos you *should* be able to give some dress away cos you don't like it. even though PERSONALLY i'd find it offending. (WHY DON'T YOU LIKE MY DRESS ANYMORE????)

I wish LL would just add a "buy as gift" option. Just like they have in SLEXCHANGE (richie you can just use slexchange.. though fair warning - whatever you'll buy willow - SHE ALREADY HAS!!)

Once I had the pleassure of seeing a garage sale & they were selling my "phrik girl" dress for 75L. ...what bothered me most about that was that they thought that's all the dress was worth. I guess I thought if they bought it from me then i got my money & they can go ahead & resell it now in a garage sale.

But yeah, I *would* prefer that instead of having hand-me-downs, anyone who wants to wear an item of clothing that I made for a long period of time, would buy it for theselfs.

( W O W that turned out to be a long post!!!)

NoMod makes sense to me if the seller is selling a specific look. Months ago (okay a year ago) when I tried my hand at selling I made some things modifyable and some not depending on what 'look' I was selling.