ATTN: No Mod Clothing Designers...WHY!?!?!

Have you noticed the trend for no copy, no modify and no transfer permissions for clothing?

WHY!!!?!?!?? It has to be pure narcissism.

No copy...ok I can see that, pay for one copy and get one copy, plus who wants 500 pairs of the same jeans cluttering up your inventory.

No Transfer...Questionable. I can see not wanting to have your creations show up in a yard sale selling for more or less than you designated, but what is this anal retention about really? Gift giving is a real problem. In the real world I can purchase an item and give it away...why not SL?

No Modify...this really burns me up when applied to clothing. Why cant the buyer shorten pant legs so they dont protrude out of primmy boots, or flare the legs, or shorten a skirt or shirt arms? I can understand no modify on a prim object to prevent copying but there is no reason for no modify clothing.

One designer told me it was to prevent texture theft but with the changes made at the end of 2004 you can no longer see the texture and steal it the way you could before.

Then that designer said "this is my design and I dont want it changed, so its no mod." HAH! Is this what no mod clothing is about? EGO? I can alter my designer clothing in real life to accommodate my petite figure so why not in SL? If the top designers in RL allow me to alter their designs then why are the SL designers too narcissistic to allow me to adjust their clothing to my shape?

I am at a point where if the clothing is no mod..I wont buy it no matter how much I like it.
What do you think?

As a furry who always has primmy lower legs - I do not buy no-mod clothing. I really do not care what the reasons the creator may have for preventing modification of the item: I think by and large they're alienating a big part of thier potential buyers who have unusually shaped avatars.

As for the other permissions; I prefer copy over transfer, but it's not a deal breaker at all.

”or shorten a skirt”


I want to make mine longer in most cases as most skirts in SL are made for Barbies.. or maybe for men to look at..

I prefer a skirt that are for me to use.. and to be in.. not a belt...


And of course I to prefer cloths that i can change some in appe...

I rarely if ever buy No Mod clothing, and I don't sell mine No Mod. (Except on those rare occassions where it slipped through without my fixing the perms.) I may think it looks best the way I made it, but I'm not the one paying for it and wearing it, so I'll wear it the way I like, and leave others to do the same.

As for No Copy vs. No Transfer... I sell Copy/No Transfer. The majority of my customers prefer it this way, and also the majority of forum readers/posters, according to the polls that have been done here. I chose those perms for 2 reasons. 1. Since the clothing is modifiable, people can alter it and save it to outfits without the hassle of renaming, relocating, etc etc. 2. I keep my prices low, and had a lot of trouble with people buying in bulk and reselling my items for twice what I do. While this doesn't cost me or lose me any money, I did have to deal with several angry people who either bitched me out for them being scammed by someone else, or who actually demanded a refund from me for the clothing or the difference. (To which I told them they could bugger off.)

Call it anal retentiveness if that blows your skirt up, but chances are there are reasons why creators choose the permissions they do, usually with bad experiences behind them.

I don't know about skirts in SL being made for men to look at. When everyone is dressed provocatively, only people who dress conservatively stand out.

Maybe I'll start a group: SL Men for Calf Length Skirts and Low Heeled Shoes.

Surely there must be *some* neoVictorians in SL?

ObTopic: Yes, of course clothing should be modifiable.

*boggles*

People are... wierd. There are times I wonder if I'm not understanding people and what they do becasue I'm an aspie, or because they really don't make a lick of sense.

It's the latter. I don't understand them either.

Khaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

Alot of my older stuff was/is no mod from back when texture theft was quite an easy thing to do. I would say that most of my new is modifyable. The only reason I set some things to no modify now is because there really is much of anything that could be modified and that is pretty much the only reason I leave things at no modify. I have always been more than happy to supply modifyable versions when asked. The reason I havent changed everything to modify is because it is quite time consuming to have to change all of the items in the inventory, do new boxes, switch everything out in vendors etc. I figure if someone really wants a modifyable copy they will ask.

The only time no copy is a pain is when it comes to prim work. Since, I keep my stuff as transferable, I can't also make it copyable because then i might as well just give it away for free. All of my prims are always modifyable because of resizing.

I don't mind things being transferable, although i think transfer and resell should be split into two separate options. And there should be some measure that would enable something that is copyable to be transferable but for only one copy and not multiple copies.

Yup, that's my only reason.

Not that a great deal of our stock pre-dates the lovely texture theft bug. Not that it would be a massive undertaking to re-perm those items. Not that I got tired of being bitched at for doing everything no-transfer since that was my personal preference.

And of course I never, ever supply items with different permissions when asked. That would be good customer service.

Yup, I'm just an ego-bloated unreasonable bitch. Ferran is too, when she is not dominating SL as a FIC powermonger. I guess I should AR myself.

You FIC ego maniac you!!!!!!

Liar! ))

No mod clothes bite the wax tadpole. Thank you to all the designers who have the courage to let us adjust the sliders. Anti-kudos to all the designers who use vendors that do not LET YOU see the permissions before buying.

Surreal, THANK YOU for taking time to please this customer. Chaos keeps calling me back to window shop. lol It would obviously take infinity+1 to change everything by hand but selecting "buy" lets you see what is there. w00t

Sorry Dizzy, I am normally much more approachable. OMFG what a hideous week it has been!! And you don't want to know what I was in the middle of when you IMed... no really, you don't.

I have yet to see a vendor where you CAN see the permissions of the thing you are buying unless you make it part of the product name, or description... which our boxes and vendors DO, btw.

I'm in a much better mood atm than I was when I read the forums early. Let me mention here though something that makes me absolutely crazy. We at Phobos Design, like every designer I know, do everything we can to satisfy our customers, but WE CANNOT READ MINDS! And, we cannot please everyone.

Cut designers some slack. Make suggestions. Ask them for what you need. Don't just rant at them or call them names. We're just people who work hard and often have crappy weeks too.

Allowing people to modify without transferring is the most sensible option. People like to tinker in SL. Also, consider that everyone has a completely different body shape. I've had to modify many different shirts and pants because they just don't "look right" on my av. That is, of course, assuming I actually shop for clothes, which averages out to about one new piece of clothing a month.

But anyways, I make my houses mod/copy/no transfer, because it kills the (easy) way to make a quick buck off my work. I imagine clothing is the same way.

Yeah, they can copy it. Eventually. But it'll be a lot more work than just slapping it back into a vendor.

LF

I have actually. A well-known designer recently set all her stuff to no copy AND no mod AND no transfer (without writing it on the boxes... i saw it when i looked in them by clicking edit).

Actually, you often don't see the actual permissions of clothing if you right-click on the clothing box. Even if you right-click on the box (owned by the seller) and then check the permissions of each item inside, you usually don't see the actual permissions.

That said, permissions mistakes are easy to make, and it's always worth an IM to the seller to ask if the permissions are correct.

Hi Cubey

thanks for clarification - I didn't know that. So far, the permissions I saw when looking into boxes always turned out to be the actual ones.
In this case, I thought it must have been intentional since all the boxes in the shop were redesigned, so it didn't look like an oversight.

Anyway, I will check.

Thks
Anna

When you see the box, it might have:

NO COPY, NO MOD, NO TRANSFER in it!

Dont be fooled!

Its probably, one item is no transfer, and another item in the box is no mod, and an item in the box is copy.

So basically:

shirt- no transfer
pants- no copy
gloves- no mod

all in the same box, thats why it says!

So the best way is to right click the box, and right click each item and check its permission!
Cant go wrong with that

No transfere is theft!! I pay for something out of my hard earned cash I should be able to give it as a present if I dam well please.. at least give a transfere once option..
really bugs me being stung with cloths I buy my sig other only to find I cant give it to her...
Should I check before buying? Yes..should I have to? NO!

I get pretty pissed off on this subject.

This whole no modify thing is making me crazy and ultimately will end up driving me to create my own clothing. My AV is 7ft tall and has BIG feet. 90% of everything that I have purchased recently is No Copy, No Mod but Transfer is OK.

I don't care about transfer but most clothing is useless to me when I cannot modify it to fit my AV.

edited to say that the real solution to this problem would be for the lindens to fix the permissions so that you can transfer an item, but prevent it from being re-sold in multiple copies.

I know it may be a pain but you can try to IM designers whose clothing you have purchased to get modifyable copies or if they are dead set against giving out modifyable copies see if they can modify it to your shape.

Granted, it takes actually calming down for half a second while shopping, but most designers will offer alternate permissions if they're requested. I get pretty pissed off too, with shoppers like you who get pissed off that I don't do things the way they prefer.

Don't like No Transfer and my reasons for using them? Think I'm 'stealing' for using them? Don't shop in my store. I really hate bitchy customers who would rather have a tantrum than simply ask me politely for different perms.

It is nice when the "community" can continue to blame the content creators who are wait, are part of the "community" too, for the short coming of the permissions system. Why aren't people riding LL's ass about this all the time instead of the content creators? The permsisions system is lacking a lot and people are doign the best they can with a flawed system to try and protect their work, since as we know in SL, there is no honor among thieves.

All you have to do is ask the designer for a transferable/gift version. Most designers who have things set to no transfer are willing to do this.

Its not worth getting pissed off about. I could see if the designer flat out refused to give a gift version. It is IMPOSSIBLE for every single designer, builder, scripter to please every single person in game. The only way we could do this would be to make everything Modify, Copy and Transfer/Resell which is never going to happen. The problem is NOT with the designers it is with the inherent permissions system. We do the best that we can with the tools that we have. Until the tools change, you may have to take an extra minute to ask someone for a gift version or for a modifyable copy. Its not going to kill you.