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Willow Zander
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08-11-2005 10:35
Here is a site , a parody site.

How do you feel about the use of your name in this not very nice parody of Cris's excellent site? I can't say as I'm too pleased myself.

Also.. aren't those shots copyrighted? and the song playing?

Maybe the site creator ought to read the recent threads on copyright and permissions.

Thoughts, Discussions please...
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Hank Ramos
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08-11-2005 10:41
That's why parody is protected free-speech, to prevent the use of copyright/tademark to punish the parody artist by the person being parodied.

If the site was fully-functional and competeting to take away business from SnapZilla, then it'd be wrong. Otherwise, it's a simple parody and should be protected. Not saying it's a nice thing to do, but we can't go around punishing people for making parodies or speaking their mind.
Hiro Queso
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08-11-2005 10:44
I think it's funny. If I was Cristiano, I would take it in a flattering way.
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Kris Ritter
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08-11-2005 10:47
Ok Hank. But what about the use of people's second life names and being associated with this parody site through it?

I guess you could argue they're not 'real' names. But they mean something to a large community of people and have reputations attached to them.

Do you have any say in whether they can use it or not?

It's obvious the creator just saved the Snapzilla source, with the full list of avie names etc intact. Is that 'fair use' of the code? Is it 'fair use' of people's names?

Not trying to be argumentative - genuinely dont know and would like to!
Hiro Queso
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08-11-2005 10:51
From: Kris Ritter
Ok Hank. But what about the use of people's second life names and being associated with this parody site through it?

I guess you could argue they're not 'real' names. But they mean something to a large community of people and have reputations attached to them.

Do you have any say in whether they can use it or not?

It's obvious the creator just saved the Snapzilla source, with the full list of avie names etc intact. Is that 'fair use' of the code? Is it 'fair use' of people's names?

Not trying to be argumentative - genuinely dont know and would like to!

ah, I didn't realise the source code had been ripped. Not sure how I feel about that.
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Willow Zander
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08-11-2005 10:52
Thats my main issue, I don't want my name on there.

I guess when you copy HTML thats what happens tho huh?

Not slagging anyone off, genuinely want to know! keep the opinions coming ;)
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Cristiano Midnight
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08-11-2005 10:52
It is certainly more high brow than Catherine's previous racist parody of Eboni Khan, though still pretty tasteless as usual, but then what do you expect? However, where she is running afoul of copyright that is not protected by parody is not from the use of the HTML from my site (which she copied verbatim and then modified). That is most likely protected as a parody, though it would be fun to take it to court to see.

However, the copyrighted images she is using in the parody are not themselves being parodied - thus, they are not protected. Also, on her home page, the song When You're Good to Mama by Queen Latifah (I imagine a reference to her ill fated Chicago project) is playing. I highly doubt she has a license from Sony music to play the song.

Finally, keeping the list of names that she took as part of copying the HTML in the parody is offensive - if she wants to take a shot at me fine, but leave the users of the site out of it.

Anyway, her ISP has been notified of it.
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Kris Ritter
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08-11-2005 10:57
From: Cristiano Midnight
However, the copyrighted images she is using in the parody are not themselves being parodied - thus, they are not protected.


Actually, I was just coming back to add that as an afterthought but I see I don't need to :)

Yes, if the images were from Snapzilla, I can see how they'd be protected by copyright for the purpose, but these are unconnected copyright images from other sites that have been used to create the parody. I doubt thats covered or it'd be a fantastic loophole to using people's stuff :)
Juro Kothari
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08-11-2005 11:04
On one hand, I find it a very clever parody, on the issue with using real avatar names, well, it wouldn't be the first time she's done this. If the images she's using were linked from another site, that site could claim stolen bandwidth.
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Catherine Cotton
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08-11-2005 11:06
Oh come on now its a joke, its obviously a joke. If ya can't take a joke... well geez folks come on now lighten up a bit :)

Cat
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08-11-2005 11:11
I would approve the use of my name on anything having to do with crap... ;0 Please plaster Baba Yamamoto all over it.
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Kris Ritter
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08-11-2005 11:12
From: Catherine Cotton
Oh come on now its a joke, its obviously a joke. If ya can't take a joke... well geez folks come on now lighten up a bit :)


A joke which you're forcing a whole list of people to 'be in on' with you in print. I think that's the issue.

I'm not on there but if I were, you'd be hearing from me. I think Cris has done a fantastic job of Snapzilla and I'd be more than a little pissed if my name were associated with such a crass attempt at disrespecting it.
Catherine Cotton
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08-11-2005 11:15
From: Cristiano Midnight
It is certainly more high brow than Catherine's previous racist parody of Eboni Khan, though still pretty tasteless as usual, but then what do you expect? However, where she is running afoul of copyright that is not protected by parody is not from the use of the HTML from my site (which she copied verbatim and then modified). That is most likely protected as a parody, though it would be fun to take it to court to see.

However, the copyrighted images she is using in the parody are not themselves being parodied - thus, they are not protected. Also, on her home page, the song When You're Good to Mama by Queen Latifah (I imagine a reference to her ill fated Chicago project) is playing. I highly doubt she has a license from Sony music to play the song.

Finally, keeping the list of names that she took as part of copying the HTML in the parody is offensive - if she wants to take a shot at me fine, but leave the users of the site out of it.

Anyway, her ISP has been notified of it.


Look Cris that redneck parody I did of Eboni was also a joke it had no racist intention what so ever. If you took it that way them I am sorry the joke was not obvious enough for you. Calling me a rasist however, I would have to disagree with you there as would some of my rl friends. It was a joke, I have repeated that fact many many times.

Eboni if you felt it was rasist in any way then I realy am sorry.

As for the threats against my web, go for it, you have had it in for me from day one everyone knows this. You keep saying that the music I use is in violation too but its a fan site. The music has not been removed. I'm sorry if you don't get that it's a parody as stated at the bottom of that page. Honestly your never going to let anything go and I realize that now. It's why I am poking fun. Lighten up man, your threats do not bother me one bit, because I know what I am doing is all in fun. Continue to come at me however and you may find your self banned. That's not a threat it's an obvious observation. We cannot have a discussion because you continue to throw personal insults into the mix. Stay on track and disuss the issues with me we might someday get some of these issues resolved. Continuing to come at me with your group of friends here the way you do will never get me to see your point of view. Your a smart guy figure it out.

Cat
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Juro Kothari
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08-11-2005 11:17
Cat - kindly remove my avatar name from your site. I do not wish for it to be on there or associated with you or your parody site in any way, shape, or form.

Thanks
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Willow Zander
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08-11-2005 11:17
From: Juro Kothari
Cat - kindly remove my avatar name from your site. I do not wish for it to be on there or associated with you or your parody site in any way, shape, or form.

Thanks



Double Ditto!

Please...
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Baba Yamamoto
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08-11-2005 11:19
For everyone that is removed please put my name in their place!
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Catherine Cotton
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08-11-2005 11:20
Your names are not on that page as far as I see. Please point it out and I would gladly remove.
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Catherine Cotton
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08-11-2005 11:20
From: Baba Yamamoto
For everyone that is removed please put my name in their place!



Rofl thanks Baba!
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Juro Kothari
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08-11-2005 11:23
From: Catherine Cotton
Your names are not on that page as far as I see. Please point it out and I would gladly remove.

They are in the drop-down menu in the left column, under:

show me crapshots from:

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Cristiano Midnight
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08-11-2005 11:23
From: Catherine Cotton
Look Cris that redneck parody I did of Eboni was also a joke it had no racist intention what so ever. If you took it that way them I am sorry the joke was not obvious enough for you. Calling me a rasist however, I would have to disagree with you there as would some of my rl friends. It was a joke, I have repeated that fact many many times.

Eboni if you felt it was rasist in any way then I realy am sorry.

As for the threats against my web, go for it, you have had it in for me from day one everyone knows this. You keep saying that the music I use is in violation too but its a fan site. The music has not been removed. I'm sorry if you don't get that it's a parody as stated at the bottom of that page. Honestly your never going to let anything go and I realize that now. It's why I am poking fun. Lighten up man, your threats do not bother me one bit, because I know what I am doing is all in fun. Continue to come at me however and you may find your self banned. That's not a threat it's an obvious observation. We cannot have a discussion because you continue to throw personal insults into the mix. Stay on track and disuss the issues with me we might someday get some of these issues resolved. Continuing to come at me with your group of friends here the way you do will never get me to see your point of view. Your a smart guy figure it out.

Cat


Catherine,

I diid not make any threats - as I said, I notified your ISP and will let them decide. As far as continuing to come at you, I will remind you that you are the one who came at me in the Adults in the Teen Grid thread, not the other way around. If you think you can just imply that people are sexual predators and that would not be taken as a personal attack, you are both mistaken and delusional.

You speak all the time about sticking to the issues, but you never ever do. I could care less if you see my point of view. I have zero respect for you and have no desire to sway your view because it is irrelevant to me. What I will push back on every single time is the kind of stuff you did in the last thread, and what you did to Eboni. You always bring on what happens to you - you are no victim at all.

PS - the song is not protected by being played on a fan site. Leave it up, I could care less, it just demeans your credibility when you talk about copyright in any way. At least have the decency to remove the names from my site that you copied - they had no part in this and you are forcing them to be associated with your sick sense of humor.
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Jillian Callahan
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08-11-2005 11:27
Please remove my name from that page, as well.

You will find these names in the "show me crapshots from:" drop-down list.
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Catherine Cotton
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08-11-2005 11:27
rofl sorry i missed that guys no names are shown now :D
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Catherine Cotton
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08-11-2005 11:28
From: Cristiano Midnight
Catherine,

I diid not make any threats - as I said, I notified your ISP and will let them decide. As far as continuing to come at you, I will remind you that you are the one who came at me in the Adults in the Teen Grid thread, not the other way around. If you think you can just imply that people are sexual predators and that would not be taken as a personal attack, you are both mistaken and delusional.

You speak all the time about sticking to the issues, but you never ever do. I could care less if you see my point of view. I have zero respect for you and have no desire to sway your view because it is irrelevant to me. What I will push back on every single time is the kind of stuff you did in the last thread, and what you did to Eboni. You always bring on what happens to you - you are no victim at all.

PS - the song is not protected by being played on a fan site. Leave it up, I could care less, it just demeans your credibility when you talk about copyright in any way. At least have the decency to remove the names from my site that you copied - they had no part in this and you are forcing them to be associated with your sick sense of humor.


Do you hear yourself? You can't get threw one post without insulting me.
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Willow Zander
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08-11-2005 11:29
From: Catherine Cotton
rofl sorry i missed that guys no names are shown now :D


Weird, I still see em....
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Baba Yamamoto
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08-11-2005 11:30
From: Catherine Cotton
rofl sorry i missed that guys no names are shown now :D



I would like to protest !! You are degrading my close association with crap!
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