Online Evangelist

Hmm...seems like some of the posts quoted here have personal attacks that were deleted when they appeared in the original, but are preserved in their quoted versions. Ah well, such is the forums.



I agree, Merwan. I don't see that this job description says "while wearing the LL logo or tshirt or hat" or whatever. And I imagine that it's nothing of the sort. It is very, very common to have shills and touts all over the Internet affecting sales, climates, communities. It is a widespread practice.

I do question where it is at work here, if it is at work. I realize LL has no shortage of fanboyz to do this work for free. But when I've seen some of the tons-of-bricks fall here on issues like Land Sales for private island deeds, I've wondered if they are paid shills or Linden alts. You do have to wonder, once you discover that Lindens do have alts, there is no company policy against alts, and questioning about Linden alts merely gets you a puzzled reply that "well, Lindens are people too and want to enjoy this world."

What you can't know is if their enjoyment of the world includes one-upping over other customers

Sox, let me warn you that when you go trolling around to other people to "find out about me" you are first and foremost engaging in disclosure of RL information. That is a TOS violation.

But more to the point, you are going to your narrow little circle of FIC types, and not realizing that what's happening there is that Nolan Nash is continuing to put out blatant lies about me which he's gotten from various tabloid journalists.

These lies include the followng false statements:

1. That I was expelled or banned from TSO. I was never expelled, had a 3-day ban for swearing once, like many people did, and am a member in good standing and always have been.
2. That I took EA.com to court. I never did anything such thing and never even filed any complaint to them over any major issue (I did write one complaint about how they didn't deliver the Magic Tree on my 2nd anniversary LOL) -- why would you do such a silly thing over a *game*???
3. That I engage in stirring up trouble on forums in some kind of evil, systematic basis and have been banned from forums. I haven't been, I don't "stir up trouble," I have a reasoned, normal, critique about a small but vocal minority of old-time players behavior here and I am entitled to make that very helpful, and normal, and necessary critique in a free society.
4. That I fought something called the Sim Shadow Government that was a figment of my imagination and was some kind of crazed zealous fighter of evil. In fact, the SSG was a real griefing network within the game of TSO, using the age-old ploy of saying they fought griefing to in fact grief themselves. I opposed them as did others using peaceful means within the TOS. It was and is a game, in which we had a lot of interesting exchanges. Anyone who attempts to take a *game's play* and put it out as some how proof that someone is "mentally ill" or "unstable" or "a zealot" HAS GOT TO HAVE THEIR HEAD EXAMINED.

Are we all clear on that now Sox? There's more, but gtg. Suffice it to say, your cramped, tendentious, hysterical version of me in other games has no legs. I will rebut it at every turn.

Torley! Indeed!

Everybody's favorite avatar. Kind, clever and a diplomat extraordinaire. He gets my vote.

A half truth is much worse than a lie, ProkAmig0.

All Lindens are required to sign contracts rendering their alts pretty much powerless. I haven't read the contract (or had my lawyer read it), but being in the FIC, I get to know that these things exist. (Either that, or maybe I've just been around long enough, it was casually mentioned by a Linden once, and ITS NO A SECRET OR A BIG DEAL!) Their money truly becomes monopoly money. They can't be officers of any non-Linden groups. I'm sure there are also rules about their alts becoming involves in any non-Linden sanctioned behavior (IE... being a schmuck on the forums. But someone's already cornered that market. ME.)

-Flip

I love how Prokofy contradicts himself in the same breath.

So, Torley, did you send your app in yet?

-Flip

I have never spoken to Sox about anything, let alone about Prokofy. Sox and the Lindens can surely confirm this. As a matter of fact, Prokofy, beyond people talking about what an horrible impact he has had on the forums, hasn't come up in any conversation I've had with anyone in many weeks in SL.

"I'm not paranoid, I just have all the facts."

Just to set the record straight, I ASKED Prokofy if he'd done those things. I even prefaced the question with something like "can you dispel a rumor?" Then I asked if he had been banned and/or sued EA. When he said "no". I said, "I guess it's BS then", and dropped the subject. As you see though, Prokofy will twist it to suit his argument, as per usual. Prokofy is the only liar here. Here's a link to show what an unmitigated prevaricator we are dealing with here: http://www.sluniverse.com/forums/Topic4890-18-2.aspx. You can all see the liberty Prokofy has taken with the actual facts.

As far as this part:

"3. That I engage in stirring up trouble on forums in some kind of evil, systematic basis and have been banned from forums. I haven't been, I don't "stir up trouble," I have a reasoned, normal, critique about a small but vocal minority of old-time players behavior here and I am entitled to make that very helpful, and normal, and necessary critique in a free society."

Make your own judgement. I believe this is EXACTLY his MO.

I am reporting your post accusing me of giving Sox any RL info.

Regardless of whether or not people think the job title is "off-color", I think it's a great idea, and AFAIC the more people who learn about SL the better, as long as the person/people that take the job are decent, intelligent, and truthful about all SL has to offer!

Prok, I think that "shill" has a rather negative, shady connotation, don't you?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-32,GGLD:en&oi=defmore&q=define:Shill

I don't see a happy, satisfied, enthusiastic customer of SL who wants to spread the word of the amazing-ness of what SL is all about (ang getting paid to do it!) as a negative thing. To me it's just really an extension of the Referral program.

My 2 Cents,

Artillo

"Shill" is exactly the word to use, an age-old carnie term, and it's exactly that kind of role they play when they are paid to tout an entertainment.

Nolan, you may have talked to a person who talked to a person...I will continue to vigorously, early, and often report you for your ongoing "gift that keeps on giving" which is your violation of the TOS by disclosure of my RL information.

It matters not one whit whether you talked to Sox because Sox is showing the same bullshit story about me having some MO of stirring up forums and creating enemy clans, etc.

I will continue to make my legitimate critiques on the forums.

Just to set the record straight, I ASKED Prokofy if he'd done those things. I even prefaced the question with something like "can you dispel a rumor?" Then I asked if he had been banned and/or sued EA. When he said "no". I said, "I guess it's BS then", and dropped the subject. As you see though, Prokofy will twist it to suit his argument, as per usual. Prokofy is the only liar here. Here's a link to show what an unmitigated prevaricator we are dealing with here: http://www.sluniverse.com/forums/Topic4890-18-2.aspx. You can all see the liberty Prokofy has taken with the actual facts.

Gee, good to have you make an admission that you realize this is BS *finally* in public Nolan, I guess you're little stalkers' 12-step program is finally paying off?

Nolan has repeatedly, in many venues, in may situations, in-game and out, put forward these fake claims.

Since the Lindens don't seem to care if you pubish in-game conversations outside the game on third-party sites, and throw up their hands at that practice, I'm happy to make all this information available on my website soon.

You know, not EVERY post HAS to end up being about Prok and whether or not he is this or that or whatever. People (it goes both ways, Trolls and Feeders alike), stop hijacking the thread and STAY ON TOPIC.

Thank you very much,

Artillo

And PLEASE enough with the FIC references, please. That also has nothing to do with the thread subject.

Actually, it's up to Linden Labs as to exactly what word to use (in fact they give their exact definition via the job description), and the term they chose to use to describe the position is "Online Evangelist".

Linden Labs aren't Carnival workers, Casino workers, or the like, so no, the term is misused in this respect.

There are MANY, MANY other words that could be used to describe someone who is paid to tout entertainment. ***** So my question is, why have you chosen one that has such negative connotations?

That's too sensible a question to be answered with any intelligence by SL's forum troll who has little to do but grieve everyone.

You can't get honey from dog shit.

Well, I think it's a constructive question that will help illuminate the reason(s) behind such a statement/criticism. Imagine that, instead of simply making a statement, actually giving real concrete reasons WHY, direct from the horse's mouth

Nope, just one, SLU, and there were no "fake" claims. I had thought about putting the same convo, where I ASKED, not accused, as you like to claim, on a blog, but I don't see the point. You will just heap on more lies. So again, it was once, on SLU http://www.sluniverse.com/forums/Topic4890-18-2.aspx , pasting a portion of an IM in which I asked you if you had been banned by or sued EA. That's all. You know it. I know it. Just Google it, Google doesn't lie. Although, if you publish fabrications on your upcoming website, I will be taking the proper action.

So, once again, Prokofy has to turn the thread into a Prokofy thread. This thread had nothing to do with me, yet he dragged me in once again, to lie more, in hopes of bolstering his every diminishing reputation and credibilty.

"I am not paranoid! I just have all the facts!"

I agree whole heartedly, but remember you are dealing with an unconscious incompetent.

He has no idea of his own ignorance. In other words, Prokofy has himself on mute.

Actually, let me address this original response more directly:



Would ANY company risk hiring someone who is less than above par, ESPECIALLY a company trying to bolster it's reputation as having helpful, responsive employees that do their best each and every day to make the SL world a better and better place to be? I think not, and to imply that LL would hire someone with shoddy moral values (i.e. falsely advertising their product in order to garner new users), would be VERY bad business practice. Ask just about anyone in sales, and they will tell you the best employees are the best Customers for the product, because they believe in the product, not because they are getting paid to sell the product. So it makes perfect sense to ask the populous to help spread the word of SL.




It's already been "defended" because quite a few Fortune 1000 companies use the exact same terminology to describe the position. (see post links by others, thanx guys)



Quite true, and I bet it will always be the case. It is good business practice to stay on top of what the competition is doing, and an especially good way of doing that is getting a feel for how the competition is perceived by discussion with and interacting with current users. I would think that any LL employee who knowingly LIES about the company would be immediately fired for opening the company up to so much liability. I'm betting that LL has a pretty strict set of rules being drawn up for someone in this new position, to EXACTLY cover their collective asses from such a scenario.


No open forum is. Nature of the beast... My suggestion to the readers of ANY forum is to take what you read with a grain of salt, and if you don't know yourself if something is true or not, then it's rather pointless to guess.



I wouldn't compare LL employees to the KGB, seeing as one existed solely to protect government secrets and squelch rebellion in a REAL country, and the other is, well, a COMPANY.

Happy Trails!

Artillo

Wow now I'm worried - if I could find out something about you that would mean me getting banned I'd consider it time well spent.

But once agine you trip over your own paranoid arse. Who mentioned finding out about you in real life?

You dont warn me about anything m8. Unlike your paranoid self I can draw a line between virtual and real - I'm not the one spouting conspiricy theories in every single thread on these forums - I'm not the one raging about downtrodden minorities and harping on about secret groups that rule Second Life.

Your so laughable it's not even funny anymore.

Why dont you tell the good people the REAL reason you left TSO Prok? Your a two bit,petty, barrack room lawyer who doesnt have the first CLUE about the bullshit you type & even the fact that multiple people have pointed out the fact that you appear to be stark staring mad you STILL fill these forums with garbage.

Consider that a personal attack?

How the HELL your not banned is beyond me.



Your honour - I rest my case.

The KGB Prok,were in fact disbanded years ago. If this ONE quote from you does not point you towards a rubber room I dont know what will.

FYI for those who don't know...

Technology companies started using the term "evangelist" a few years ago to (my definition) describe marketing people who had no particular territory or customer base specialization. I met product evangelists for CMS software, imaging technologies and even blade servers. Far from being secret, most of these people had the word proudly displayed on their business cards.

Based on my experience these people were well paid, but did not work on commission. They tended to be more knowledgeable than the actual sales reps, who would bring them along to answer technical questions. In other words they were what used to be called "sales support" or "product specialists".

Of course that doesn't mean that that is what LL has in mind for this job.

I think companies have to be very careful where they go with stealth marketing. The whole thing can backfire if it is ever exposed, and my guess is that it is almost always exposed (although how would we know?)

Take Scoble "The Microsoft Geek Blogger" for example. Although he is a Microsoft employee, as is his wife, he claims to be free to say whatever he thinks in his blog. He teases his audience with his objectivity on an issue and then has last minute conversions to the Microsoft view, or lets topics drop suddenly when he runs into trouble with the commentary. On the other hand there are two anonymous Microsoft bloggers that seem to be much more honest in their criticisms, and usually make reasonable suggestions about how Microsoft might improve. Maybe this is stealth marketing. I generally have a better impression of Microsoft (or at least what MS COULD be) when I read the anonymous bloggers than when I read Scoble. It would be helpful of course if Microsoft ever followed any of their advice.

http://radio.weblogs.com/0001011/

http://microsophist.blogspot.com/

http://minimsft.blogspot.com/

Watch it Artillo! In some persons' acronym dictionaries, "AFAIC" = As Feted As Inner Core.

-Flip

OMG Flipper!!! w00t!!!! Thanks for the belly laugh!!!! I needed that at the end of the day! I didn't even consider the ramifications of using a chat acronym like that in here hahaa!!

Arti

I had no idea that evangelist had become such a popular industry term. It still seems like a weird thing to call yourself, but oh well.

I'm waiting for when people who promote things that certain religions despise start using it:

Booze Evangelist
Homosexuality Evangelist
FemalePriest Evangelist

And so forth.

Are you sure that this isn't a typo and they just weren't offering to pay the wonderful Evangeline Suavage for her time in world?

Flip... The Pope of Pilsner???

Dibs.

Wow, maybe I had this Pope figured all wrong, Artillo...

...and I figured you'd take dibs on all three, Aimee!

NON-BUSINESS EVANGELISTS:

There we go. My place in hell is now assured.