nudge, nudge, wink, wink

Excellent!

Self control rocks! I'm at a lost why it's so damn underRated!

Interesting you mention this Dianne.
I also believe it's helpful to meet inWorld and discuss things and I've done that often during my SL.

Weeks ago, when the situation with the transporting to the new continent was all ablaze - I IM'd Prof inWorld and asked for a TP so I could positive rate him. I clear stated that was my only intention, as I felt his contribution to SL, although very difficult re: form, was worth my ++ rate.

My offer was refused...

I am just confused why it is only solicited and/or expected of those on one side of the issue.

I want to be clear here. I am not saying that you are one who tries to modify those on only one side of an issue. However, there are several here who are doing just that, and you have responded to them, not that there is anything wrong with that what so ever.

The motives of some of those employing this rhetoric seem quite transparent to me.

This viewpoint is either biased or naive, and fighting human nature in either case.

because one side has shown evidence of self-control... and the other obviously has none...
can't expect blood from stones...

I had considered responding to your response but didn't because I'm really trying to let this thread die. Posting at this moment because you've bumped it back up again. I don't have time at the moment for more of a reply than this. I'll try later if the thread is back at the top or not. Whatever. My view is not all that important, really. If you want to understand my stance more fully, im me in world. Maybe I should hold a wake for the dead horse.

Good point. Which leads us back to why a select few keep harping on those who are already exercising some measure of self control.

The answer to me is pretty obvious, Nolan. It has nothing to do with disapproving of a behavior, despite that being the vehicle used to carry the mothering attitude. If that were the case, it certianly wouldn't just be the kids who stand up against the bully that get the chiding, but the bully her/himself would have gotten it long ago, before it ever got this bad.

Instead, this is just a few people who enjoy being contrary... going against the grain... rebelling against the majority... swimming upstream... marching.. Well, you know what I mean. Basically, it's an opportunity to try and feel superior over a majority.

This thread is now appropriately about QUEEN.

I've paid my dues
Time after time
I've done my sentence
But committed no crime
And bad mistakes
I've made a few
I've had my share of sand kicked in my face
But I've come through

We are the champions, my friends
And we'll keep on fighting till the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers
'Cause we are the champions... of the world!

I've taken my bows
And my curtain calls
You brought me fame and fortune and everything that goes with it

I thank you all

But it's been no bed of roses
No pleasure cruise
I consider it a challenge before the whole human race
And I ain't gonna lose

We are the champions, my friends
And we'll keep on fighting till the end
We are the champions
We are the champions
No time for losers
'Cause we are the champions... of the world!

Well I am not going to getting into *defending* Prokofy on the forums because we genuinely disagree on a whole host of issues, but I will no longer criticise him or get personal about it (if I ever did), because I think that is a waste of my time and kind of childish really.

I am not a saint, just trying to be a little wiser than I have been in the past over these kinds of things. I am sure some of the older folks remember the flame wars on the old newsgroups before the web. I cannot say i acted as wisely then

As for the refusal, I would say only that he probably that he has some reason to be suspicious of people.

However, I also do not know him very well at all, so I am hoping he really *is* basically a decent sort because in my current position I am kind of out on a limb.

If he turns out to be mean anyway, then my whole theory of making peace will look pretty dumb.

Well I don't know if I intended so much defend Prokofy as I wanted to express that I am bothered by the shunning.

It seems to me Jonquille, the essence of your post is that people have the option to excercise restraint at the time they post, and they should do so. Well its hard to disagree with that except to say that it is not gerenally done here. People seem to vent here in a "damn the torpedo's" fashion, and yet when you intereact with them in game, it is an entirely different story. This is not a phenomenon limited to one individual.

But I will take your point about personal repsonsibility and mention this: A reader always has the option of not reading something. If you are predisposed to not like someone, you may choose to put them on ignore, or scroll past them. You may choose to IM your freinds and in the privacy of an IM collectively to decide to ingnore that person.

But when you organize a shunning on an open forum, and repeat ad nauseum how you are ignoring a particular person, with the apparent intention of getiting positive feedback from doing so. It becomes an attack, and I found it reprehensible behavior from adults who should know better. Yes you can argue that shunning someone quieted the forums, which needed a break. But you can also argue the genocide improves a country by reducing the number of people and increasing the available resources for a majority.

This is the core failure of utilitarianism. Some times the comfort fo the many does not justify the injury to a few. Often, in high school, people seek positive attention from the community at the expense of thier oddball freinds. That is exactly what happend here. Like or hate Prokofy, the shunning was just wrong.

I hope the both of you are no different inworld than you are in this forum. You provide the stuff that makes skimming through it all worthwhile.

this is going to be my sig for a while. woot.

I at least hope you'll edit my bad typing before you do.

I didn't have anything to do with the shunning. I've never been much for group-think and follow-the-leader. I do have Prokofy (back) on ignore after her libelous comments about SLUniverse and Cristiano today, and there she'll stay, because she's a liar, and an asshole, and generally a horrid excuse for a human being. I don't care how nice she may fake being in world, the way she acts here is inexcusable.

Yes, others also act horridly on these forums, but that doesn't erase Prokofy's being a paranoid dellusional bitch, no matter how many excuses people try to make for her. I'm sure you'll have some defense of her or excuse, or somehow come to her rescue as you've done in nearly every thread I've seen her post in so far.. But honestly, I don't give a shit, and I won't be reading it. She's shown her true colors here time and again, and I'm tired of listening to the bullshit excuses and matronly lectures about how everyone but Prokofy is accountable for their actions.

I'm going to do my part to make the forums a more tolerable place by filing Prokofy into the rubbish where she belongs.

I see that my post seemed to suggest that you organized the shunning. Please accept I know this is not true. Though I mentioned your name to provide context, that was infact my only intent. My use of the word "you" wasn meant in a plural, gender neutral sense. My choice of words was confusing.

I do not think I so much defend Prokofyu as attack the other members of the forums for the knee jerk demonizing of him. If it seems I am defending him so be it. I make no secret that we enjoy a cordial acquyaintance in the game, and that I am a member of raven glass rentals. Where possible, I will rise to the defense of those who I know and who treat me well. As it happens, Prokofy is one of the only people I know from the forums in the game.

Frankly, while I can see prokofy is a lightning rod for some of the lambasting he gets, and sometiems I think he is dead wrong. I feel at times the arguments in the forums rise to the level of persecution. The organized shunning was such a case. If you wish to ignore Prokofy, or anyone else, you have that right, I won't try to change your mind-it is very obviously your choice.
But turn that same act inot a crusade to get others to do the same, and it becomes an assault. I think you understand the difference.

Prokofy is he.

I have not made any libelous comments, that's just hysteria on Cristiano's part.

I've said his website tracks IP numbers and can use them to track people to RL and to out their alts. I have no assurances to the contrary. I will go on repeating these facts.

I'm not a liar and an asshole, I'm someone who raises the hard questions about privileged beta-tester era people in the game who use their positions of power and prestige in the game to an unfair advantage. I'd like to question Cristiano's collection of IP addresses, what he does with them, and how he ties them to RL persons and to SL alts. I'd like some answers on these questions.



Yes, attacking the small-minded, horridly smug insular enclave society of some of the beta-testers of SL can make one look like a "paranoid delusional bitch," sure.

The howling you hear comes from the small-minded and insular getting a bit of scrutiny and a bit of a request for some accountability for their outrageous behaviour, especially on the forums.



I don't understand why Jake does this because I barely know Jake, having talked to him in the game perhaps only once or twice. He's my tenant, but nobody has to be my friend to be my tenant, they just have to click the box and pay it or donate tier

I'm grateful for Jake showing the common sense and intelligence to question the rat-pack on the forums. It makes me have faith that new people in the game will help to dispel this horrible small-town incestuous atmosphere that has held sway for too long.




I'm happy to be accountable for my actions. I'll face any scrutiny or investigation or examination of what I do because I know I have not done anything wrong. I've questioned the use to which Cristiano puts IP addresses, and I still don't have assurances that he doesn't tie them to RL for whatever purpose, and that he doesn't tie them to alts.




Putting me on ignore, and stopping the constant back-biting and harassment is a good thing for the forums. I encourage you to put me on ignore, if that is the only way you can restrain your immaturity.

Dianne, I want to assure you that you are free to criticize me all you wish in the forums. Friendship does not create any binds like that, or any immunity from criticism. I hope you're just joking when you say this!




Yes, Merwan, I don't help you out on you quest missions to play the metagame called "increasing my reputation points by appearing altruistic". I'm not playing that particular game so I don't help people leveling up on it, sorry.

You are just not fun!

Come on Prok - i wanna be fun, and have fun too!

I do this mostly because an organized shunning is just wrong.

Also because I think the amout of flak taken is all out of proporition to the shit you are given in the forums. Besides I am sucker for a lost cause. And if I am going to be branded an "ati" and an alt it amuses me to be a prokofevik!

And because you not only are my land lord, but walked my newbie ass through the landmines of property in SL, and have been free with an IM or too helping me out.

Also because sometimes I think you are right about things, or at least we agree enough to discuss it. and sometimes the shark frezy is wrong.

And finally because well I don't have anything better to do since I can't log on to SL and build my Parthenon.

coco

Wow, you're building the Parthenon??? Cool!