Traitors Aren't Welcome in Canada

Somebody must told this fool he could skip out on his duties and flee to Canada as a safe haven. At least Canada has grown up and has told all the world (and traitors) that Canada does not welcome you anymore. The 60's are over Man!!!


U.S. soldier who deserted to dodge 'criminal' war in Iraq loses asylum bid

COLIN PERKEL

TORONTO (CP) - An American war dodger who fled the U.S. military because he believed the invasion of Iraq (news - web sites) was criminal has lost his bid for refugee status in Canada in a case closely watched on both sides of the border.


Source: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/cpress/20050324/ca_pr_on_na/war_resister

This has no similarity to what happened in the 60's. This guy volunteered and took an oath and then decided that he did not want to fight in the war. No one drafted him and forced him to take the oath.

There is a big difference between being part of a volunteer military and being conscripted by force.

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Come on. How many people that signed up for the military actually expected to see combat? Most people think we are too advanced for that sort of thing. I know when I was a high schooler about to start college had the military been an option for me I might have taken it to get my schooling paid for never thinking they would send me into battle at 19.

If they signed up for duty not expecting to ever see combat they were fucking idiots...

The punishment for stupidity wasn't death last time I checked.

Shut the fuck up, Alby, and go troll somewhere else. We're all tired of it. It is neither cute, informative insightful, or meritorious in any way at all.

If you sign up for military duty thinking you won't be in harms way then yes the punishment for stupidity very well could be death.

US Troops were in Bosnia for 9 years, seems to me that we sent about 28,000 troops to Somalia and weve been in both Afganistan and Iraq before.

This has all been in the last decade. So I don't think it's unreasonable for someone joining the military to think that they could possibly be engaged in combat. Both of my brothers fully expected to be deployed when they enlisted (and in fact were).

I think the military makes it pretty clear in bootcamp that combat is what you are being trained for.

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It's an assumed risk, not a punishment.

I was in the service. I knew full well that I may be sent to war. Make no mistake, so did 90+ percent of my friends and acquaintainces. If I had re-enlisted at the end of the 90's, I would've ended up in the first gulf war. I would've looked at it as my duty, not as a punishment.

We have pretty much been in some sort of armed conflict since the first gulf war, so thinking one will never get called up to go is sheer folly.

MMmhmmm... Neehai can troll his liberal shit all day, but "evil-war-mongering-conservative" Alby can't troll conservative news stories?

Typical.

I do nothing of the sort.

Stop attacking me in random threads. It doesn't make you look cute of clever.

Keep it up and I'll have someone remove your feeding tube!

You've been reported for being abusive. Enjoy your vacation.

U tell'm Aaron... Typical Liberals only see a 1-Way Highway. If you speak out against the leftist radicals you get beat down.. But not me, I'll fight them until the end of days. Because My Kung Fu is Stronger.

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Okay, sometimes I side with the liberals, sometimes with the conservatives. Depends upon the subject matter, and whether the other person can discuss things without flying into an insane rage. So here's my two cents:

When the first Gulf War happened, there were a lot of people who didn't want to go based upon the notion that they didnt' become soldiers to... uh... be soldiers. Everything was okay as long as they had the uniforms, the respect of the people, and the paycheck. But when the possibility of combat came along, all of a sudden these people had some brand new political views.

We have an all volunteer force in this country, so if you don't believe in war then you don't have to join. Lots of people serve their country in other ways, whether or not they like the current president. Serving on either side of Congress is one way to serve your country without ever seeing combat. So is voting. People who join up and refuse to go are simply cowards. I know it's not politically correct to say that, but cowards still exist when we pretend not to see them.

Regardless of my views, however, here's what will most likely happen: the US military will prosecute these people to the fullest extent of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. If they're infantry, it will be bad. If they had any sort of Top Secret clearance, it will be MUCH worse. This fellow in the article will go to prison and then he'll have a federal conviction on his record.

Oh, and Canada will be signing some new paperwork if some loophole allows him to stay. If deserters can go to Canada, then the muggers and rapists will be close behind.

Viva La Bush...

Ya know, I ask myself sometimes:

If I pledged allegiance to my country to lay down my life in the line of duty -- would I do it for something I didn't believe in?

If I was in a war and told to shoot another human being that I believed was innocent, would I do it?

What if I was a pilot and my bombing target would put civillians in harms way.. would I bomb my target anyway?

What if I refused and I came back to a country where I would be thrown in jail or worse?

What if I pledged allegience to a country -- no questions asked -- and found out later that my country was corrupt and unethical? What if I found out later that in my service I took part in a war crime?

... now granted this was a highly scrutinzed case and I'm sure this man was justly tried for his actions. I merely ask if it's permissible to punish a man for refusing to act upon his orders if he believes those orders are a threat to human rights.

In this case, his decision was pre-emptive and he refused to participate in a war he believed was entirely illegal -- what if it was?

In my case, I would have to ask myself why I am risking my life defending some of the people on this thread.

He should sue for defamation of character.

This is exactly why I would never enlist in the armed services or as a peace officer. In those industries, you must, *must* have personnel that follow orders. I'm not saying those orders are always correct/fair/legal, but if our enlisted personnel and peace officers didn't follow orders - the whole deal would come unraveled at the seams. It just wouldn't work with me - I won't take orders for an action that I was opposed to.

Anyone who enlists should understand that there is a very real chance they will face combat. During the last 50 years, how many times have we been in combat somewhere around the world? This person should've realized that.

My brother got shipped off to Iraq in January and people have asked me if I'm worried. Oddly, I'm not all that worried, as this is precisely what he's spent 10 years training for. I am somewhat concerned but I feel good knowing he's got tons more experience than most of the soldiers they are sending over.

The thing that really gets to me is that the recruitment makes it sound like a hardcore summer camp almost. When they came to my high school, they never mentioned that there was a real chance you'd face any combat. It was all about the travels in far-off lands and getting to shoot guns and (possibly) drive tanks, etc.

If you look at the record, the amount of actual combat an American soldier sees, and the risk he or she has of injury or death, is far, far below what it was thirty years ago, sixty years ago, a hundred years ago, and so on. Believe it or not, combat is safer.

It is possible to volunteer these days, not with an expectation of not seeing combat, but with a sense that risk factors are low. It is actually more "risky" in some ways to serve in the Gaurd and other auxilliary forces. I have an inlaw who is a msgt. in the Rangers. They wouldn't let him go to Iraq because he was far too "valuable" to put in harm's way. Imagine that.

So under the circumstances, I'm not surprised to see this kind of thing happening. It's ridiculous, but it's also a sign of the times.

Traitors should be a shot for treason against the Nation. Lucky people like him don't man Nuclear Missile Silos. Cause if the order came down to launch, that button must be pushed.

Alby is messing my head up. He keeps making me think that he's a closet liberal trying to undermine the conservative agenda from the inside by posting absurdities... plus those posters are all parodies...

I think he is a closeted liberal..

Don't they have a national coming out day or something??

HEHeheheh... I'm poking fun at liberal's view of conservatives. EHhheeh

I know a secret about Alby Yellowknife.

It's a small world after all.