Another Super Majestic FIC OMG LOL BBQ MJW meeting.

I attended this time.

It spun in the dirt for a while, but finally got some traction. Nothing was really defined, though.

The gist of most disagreements, after some banter, was "well, if you don't like it, feel free to leave." So much for open discussion.

It adjourned with promises of more defined goals, with a few members pishposhing dissidents.

In effect, nothing happened but a lot of talking.

I have put the log on my website.

Meeting Log

LF

Ah, it becomes clear now... Anshe's worried that LL might change their minds about letting the barons handle land:



So much for community interest. I'd like to say I'm surprised, but....

clarification: "you" is Lordfly Digeridoo.

Ah, another big and shocking surprise (not!):



Same song, same ol' curse, second line much like the first.

She is talking financial security, people. You know - the needs of a few being far more important than the needs of SL as a whole. Noble cause. Don't you want to protect Anshe's investment while being crime fighting superheroes? This rhetoric sounds more appropriate for City of Heroes than it does Second Life.

I suspect some of the group's members will be reading this and thinking that "security" during in-world discussions meant something else entirely.

...

huh? "leveage"? cleavage? *runs off to join group*

Thanks for posting that, LF.

I wish it had contained even 1 surprise.
Just what I suspected.

I also attended. At this point it seems like an idea rooted in good values. Implemented, it was a rather hostile environment. I was quiet and attentive however below you can see some of the exchanges I had to endure. Lordfly's transcript can place the comments in context.


First a cheap shot at me (before Lordfly arrived):


Then a false accusation that I banned Prok from Midnight City:


To Anshe's protests, Prok shifted the discussion to how much traffic my primary *PREEN* store in Midnight city gets. He then accused me of getting the Lindens to get rid of neg ratings.


Finally Prok neg rated me. The reason given was "for Panties"


Creepiness aside, I don't want MY experience to sour the experience of others. There is some potential here. But for an organization rooted in "justice" there will have to be major changes before anything can be taken seriously from the MJW.

Hell Aimee, I think thats reason for you to attend EVERY meeting.. 4 meetings down the road and the whole thing would erupt and explode at that rate.. hahah well done! Eris would be proud of you!


... I hope you negged back for 'bikinis'

Will you next get them to get rid of dwell Aimiee? You'll be my hero forever!

Umm just wanted to add a couple of cents... ermm yeah, you're still playing a game if you're here even if you are making a profit. No need to be ashamed.
Also, why the obsession with Aimee's panties? made me feel kind of funny! ^___^

How could you not take this brilliant political statesman seriously?

Hahaha Great Siggy

Seriously, it's a matter of grave concern for anybody that cares about these issues in a serious way. The MJW is based on the idea that certain players shouldn't have undo influence over the Lindens. Who could argue with such a fair proposal? But when Prok accuses ME of bringing about the end of neg ratings (a preposterous accusation) it becomes clear what they really have in mind.

I would like to see this organization shift it's focus a bit and leave the silliness behind. Until then I think it will be used as a vehicle to attack personal enemies.

But Prokofy isn't bitter and jealous!

Forgive me for cross posting, but I suggested the same directly to Anshe a few hours ago at Message #18 at the thread: MJW Cultural Disconnect! :




My Message #18 to Anshe:

I have no problem with any of this or with you personally - you seem to enjoy calling me a lair, and I will continue to hold you accountable for the nasty things you say to and about me.

IMO, this group is irrelevant and is organized by wolves in sheep's clothes. IMO you do not understand what's happen with LL and the GOM situation - so you have tired your hand at community organizing - fearing that the same could happen to you and your SL holdings. (Note your wanting compensation for loss of tele-Hub land).

But you don't understand that organizing people takes relating with people one and one - caring about them as individuals, not as transactions, and focusing around a common REAL vision - not rectorial non-sense. You possibly loosing wealth is of little interest to many SL residents - and that's what so many of us see you as - a wealthy SL individual who is playing-the-game of material wealth.

Re: my LL relationship...

I've had several phone call to/from Linen Labs - mostly between the time since I was interviewed by Reuters News Service in June, '04 - (Virtual real estate boom draws real dollars) and the ending of my SLExchange ownership. I never had an inworld meetings with LL - I've had a couple one-on-one talks with individual Lindens at either their request, or spontaneously. If they ask to meet me, I always agree.

I have no influence with LL. When I strongly urged LL to REQUIRE Apotheus to meet with LL and I inWorld to help with the SLEx problems, he flaty refused, and they would do nothing more. The rest is history.

Oh, and I am not lecturing, I am only sharing my experience of SL and the vision of so many others... End [/Quote]


If Anshe had quietly worked directly with others concerning her fears, I'm confident she would have had much more positive results.

If Prok and Anch can sue for damages when Telehub land loses value, can I sue them for the number of times I've gotten stuck inside those craptacular builds they promote around Telehubs? It seems only fair.

JUSTICE!

Oh my. A part of me feels up in arms, but a part of me just looks at this whole this and goes wow. People sure act different when the shoe is on the other foot. So Anshe meets will LL in world, and we are upset about it on the forums. I met with LL in San Francisco, mouthed off about how I hate telehubs to phil himself. Wow.

I thin we should all be happy we can be listened to. And stop blaming each other for taking positions. even whenthose positions run contrary to our own.

Frankly all this strike me as sort of preposterous posing because everyone is disgruntled they are not on top. Ah well. FIC MPLA ir MJW or whatever. Anarchy now!

Well, I can kind of understand being obsessed with Aimee's panties. I even get that way at times... okay, I'm as obsessed with them as Prok is. And I'm married! But Prok is clearly in a love/hate relationship with Aimee. He's too scared to admit that he's in love with her, and probably justifyably so; so he resorts to this kind of behavior. I rent from him, though, so I'm keeping my mouth shut.

P2

Oh dear, I thought I had been told that Prok's in world persona was more mellow than his ex-forum one.

Just for interest, on the land banning topic, after some forum disagreements, I discovered he had banned me, a couple of my alts, and several of my friends/collaborators he obviously thought were my alts, from one of his shopping malls adjacent to my land.

Oblivious, of course to the interests of his tenants who wanted to sell things to anyone, regardless of their landlord's forum exploits.

Still - thats his right. But if he is accusing others as though this is a crime............

Yes but you didn't present yourself as THE METAVERSE JUSTICE LEAGUE when you spoke to him. Know what i mean?

It is a terrible name, isn't it Ingrid ?
One of those that "protesteth too much" and makes you suspect it may hide the opposite.

Like www.honestreporting.com

OMG I wish I would have said that

this needs quotes

"""""""" CRAPTACULAR """"""""""

My goodness...

Conspicuously absent was Coco "one of the leaders" of the group - yet again. Interesting. She is a "leader", yet she has yet to make a single meeting! Vested interest indeed!

Not only that, her claims that Prok is not the leader of the group were surely razed to stubble height by the fact that Prok did 90% of the talking, while chiding Lordfly for apparently taking too much time for his liking.

Prok: "ok, so noted that LF demanded uninterrupted paste time"

"paste away"

"ok, are you done?"

LF got all of a minute while being poked and prodded by Prok. Yeah, open group for people to openly express my ass. Talk about "hectoring"!

Shaun (very disappointed in Shaun for buying into this sham) says to LF: "but your argument is moot". Again, nice open atmosphere.

Katykiwi (who I am very dissapointed in as well): "proks group proks platform prok is entitled to voice his opinion"

So, here we have it, just as I told Coco. Prok is claiming on his website that this is his brainchild, his group, yet Coco slaps the disingenuity blinders on and gives us an endless stream of kumbayah. Katy is now backing this up. I guess we are are being taken for having exactly zero comprehension skills, but, what else is new?

Katy then goes on to hassle LF some more, with that wonderful brand of "openess" this group claims to embrace:

"LF you are jealous".

"why are you here?"

Some more of that acid flavored ice cream to digest, from a member of this "open" group.

Then we have a few very telling stratgems from the leader himself, the self-styled saviour of SL:

"I want them to behave like a country"

"A country not like Russia but America"

Once again the spectre of Prok's personal, historical baggage raises it ugly head. One wonders if Prok will ever see beyond the shadowy ghosts of his past without projecting it onto everyone else.

Furthermore, "like America"? Oh yeah, we have it ALL figured out - NOT! I am surprised that Anshe and any other non-Americans put up with that bullshit. Disappointed yet again.

Then more self-interest:

"People being banned without finding out who made the ARs on them."

Prok was banned from the forums, and is still crying like a baby over the consequences of inciting class war after class war for over 9 months! I think we can safely state that this statement is all about Prok himself and not some concern for the rest of us.

So what is being asked for here? Why is Prok so dead set that people who report should be revealed? When an anonymous person calls the cops on his neighbor in RL, are the cops required to tell the accused who accused them? No. The person doing the calling doesn't have to even reveal who they are to the cops. I see this as just a way for prok to identify, and then attack in his usual, vindictive manner, those who did their civic duty. This is EXACTLY why LL does not reveal. If they did, people like Prok would just keep teh issue afloat endlessly! LL does this to interrupt the damned endless loops - this is in all of our best interests.

In the end, this group, and the way they behave is going to sink their own ship. Hell, its' already listing precariously to starboard.

Keep it up all you "open". "justice-minded", folks in MJW! You're doing a better job of exposing what a bunch of self-serving, neer-do-well malcontents you are than any of us ever could!

THANK you!

This is great comedy. And I bet they are all soooo glad that Prok is a part of that group now.

Worst thing ever was to let him in if they ever want to be taken seriously by LL or anyone for that matter.

I love when non-specific swarms of people are accused of being self-interested, it's FIC, but when two land barons get together to protect their telehub land, it's "Justice".

Smooooooooth!