Resident Action Committee (RAC) is trying to exclude europeans

This has gone off the deep end.

I for one am thrilled to be on the other end of the hot lights.

OMG I can't believe you think Americans are that xenophobic or exclusionary!!!

Cant you just understand that yanks are DUMB!

Really.. ask them to name the countries in Europe.. THEY CAN'T!

We can't even list all 50 of our OWN states.

So how DARE you think of us smart enough to exclude anyone!

Seriously... should we have two RAC meetings or try to get a common time?

I wonder if they'd try to get MY head on a stick if I just told Europeans to hold their own meetings instead of demanding that all US held one be at "convenient" times.

Folks.. a 60 hour work week is the norm here. When someone says "I can only hold this at 5pm on Sunday they MEAN it.

Has a single American complained about European meetings held at a time inconvenient for them? I have educational meetings I can't go to because I am either at work or not awake. I don't demand they change their hours to suit me. I get filled in via proxy or find some other solution.

FUN very ”FUN”... learn a bit more about that Europa are many countries.. many diff culture, many diff humans pls... PLS!

This Could get ugly... Im in bad enough form today..plz dont get me started!!!


edit* Im fuming over this BTW...I really assumed LF was one our smarter residents..then he goes and pisses me off with this Redneck attitude.....DAM! *spits*

People think you could not possibly say the phrase 'socialist paradise' and not be sarcastic. This is either a statement of the general inability of people to take anything in text seriously, their increasingly jaded outlook on these forums, their need to complain, or their ongoing frustration with no one taking anything outside America seriously enough to plan a time that suits them. You decide.

p.s.: Leading high end raiding guilds in MMOs often results in this issue. But since we can't legitimately have a time that included everyone, we simply stopped pretending it was possible and went with being convenient for the majority of our members... which happened to be Eastern Standard Time, US. If the fine folks of Europe, Asia, Australia, et al wish to see this trend change at Linden Labs, they know what they need to do (hint: refer!).

I gotta say I'm European and I saw it as Sarcasm.... Maybe thats just me

There is NO way that every timezone is going to be able to turn up at a meeting, maybe you should just change the times of every other meet? Give the chance for other Timezones to attend, I mean, its not like we can't see whats being said in logs is it., hardly earth shattering news.

Blaze you will get a spanking for this, tsk tsk.


*EDIT* - Cienna is right, a majority of SL is American, therefore it makes most sense to hold meetings during the time where most members are likely to be on, its just plain logical. I do agree however that Europeans and other Timezones get the rough end of the stick, but i'm more pissed off that about updates being at silly European times than this.

Ok troll over.

Different aspects ? Idea has some internal complexity? Points in a multidimensional space cannot be put in a single line and thresholded without destroying all the information ? A sculpture cannot be appreciated without viewing it from more than one direction, indeed from many ?

Multiple personalities ? A particular thing for self-contradictions and paradoxes ? High on something passably toxic ?

Thanks Willow, I was going crazy thinking I was the only one that understood what he meant LOL

The problem was, it looked like sarcasm, it smelt like sarcasm, but I don't think it was. Read his other posts. Examine his politics. Its perfectly possible it WAS meant as a compliment, if a slightly wry one..

And he's right. There is no time that can ever suit the whole world. With eight hours difference, maybe Europeans who want such meetings need to run their own. Maybe if lobby groups are really to take off, they necessarily must have a geographic split. Certainly if they are ever to meet other than Sundays. And that isn't the day of rest in every country, is it?

Some people, with weird lives and sleeping habits, will cross zones. I sat in LF's meeting until well past my 4:15am, but many can't.

It was my first such meeting, and the confusion, lack of controllability and resultingly infinitesmal amount of business transacted, was a revelation. I now intend to attend more such, under different chairmanships, to see whether others can do better, or whether this is an universal problem with the text chat medium, and SL's surfeit of humorous disrupters.

All ideas have pros and cons. If you decide that you're for something you generally forget about the cons, which can be rather disastrous.

If you continued reading the thread, you would have seen an apology for my apparently horrible, horrible compliment.

I don't know what else you want me to do.

LF

Don't assume anything about me. After all, I'm just a dumb Redneck American who wants to see all of Europe turned into a NASCAR track.

Unbelievable.

First I get lambasted for not catering to a minority of SL players (yes, minority... go ahead, ask in the Hotline what the ratio of Western Hemisphere to Europe is), then I get lambasted for making an inebriated (yes, I had a few beers OMFG ALCOHOLIC AMERICAN!!!!eleven) compliment about the continent, now I'm being called a redneck.

This is politically correct, xenophobic, hypersensitive garbage.

From now on, I'm going to remove any possible mention of Europe in any of my posts, good or bad, in the hopes that I don't offend my hypersensitive cousins to the east.

Furthermore, I will be watching with a keen eye on anyone making even the SLIGHTEST mention of the USA on these forums, positive or negative. In fact, I will get extremely offended and demand an apology, while simultaneously filing 405 abuse reports.

Good day.

LF

Oh no, several were offended. LF knows that, and he's already getting his sarcasm back at him from several Brits.

Maybe what the europeans should do instead of lambasting LF and/or laughing at his, ahem, sarcasm is to set up a meeting of their own that mirrors his next published agenda. What good does it do for you to sit up until 4:15 a.m. when you could be having your own meeting with the same exact agenda?

Euro meeting/USA meeting -- and both the minutes are combined and sent to the Linden's for consideration.

Wouldn't be all that hard to do.

Careful LF, or I will begin to call you the ultimate insult. A card-carrying ACLU'ian.

Indeed, which is what I suggested 2 dozen posts ago.

Then I suggest on your NEXT agenda and/or by a forum post that you ask for an European volunteer to hold and conduct such meetings based upon your agenda.

Drink a beer and do some thunking, you redneck American gigolo.

Clearly the answer here is to do away with time zones. I mean, seriously, where the heck does the Earth get off being all round and spinny like that so that those poor Europeans and Asians have to be asleep and in the dark while the only part of the world that matters is awake and planning ways to become ever more descriminatory.

I hereby move that we abolish all time zones effective immediately in favor of SL time (Pacific), which in a couple minutes will be 9:00 a.m. So the other half of the world will have to get used to being nocturnal, so what, they'll evolve, right? At least they won't be so unfairly discriminated against now, right? Some of them were born for this anyway. I mean ninjas come from Asia, and they thrive at night. And who's possibly cooler than a ninja? No one.

Can't do that, someone might get offended at my no doubt hated, genocidal stance towards an entire continent.

Maybe someone else will.

LF

Damn LF, you put the red in neck with comments like that you lazy, no good hound dawg.

Au contraire, I suggest that we split into various national or supernational groups in SL, each with competing agendas. An EU Party, an Aus/NZ Party, a Pacific Littoral Party that includes Japan, South Korea, and China, and may or may not include California and Oregon depending on the grape harvest... a Red States Party and a Blue States Party, and a Yanqui Go Back North Party. Etc.

Each attempting to influence LL toward policies more beneficial to their own cultural alignment.

Think of the opportunities for international drama.

No thanks, Bush does enough for all of us as it is. Then again, I think of Pandastrong and bush in the MJW... and it's just not right.

The real conspiracy here is, why doesn't ignore hide threads in addition to posts?

Between people who are so stuck in reptillian behavior patterns that they can't help fillibustering for half an hour about heirarchy, and people who think it's a conspiracy that we don't all check with them personally before scheduling mass meetings, it's a wonder Lordfly spends any time at all on this. And in this thread, still more hot wind. It would have been sufficient for one person to discuss "socialist paradise" with Lordfly, but instead, several people chose to. What the hell for?

SL residents - in the U.S. - miss meetings they'd like to attend pretty regularly. Town halls are usually held during California business hours. Unless you live in EST or further east, you're probably going to miss every last one if you hold down a day-shift job.

Life isn't fair. The universe doesn't give a shit. Wear a helmet.



PS:
"Redneck" is an elitist slur.