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Foulcault Mechanique

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06-09-2005 14:16

From: Roberta Dalek

I wonder if people will be able to fly across the grid now - or will people still be attacking non-existant griefers in their absense?

Thier push scripting will just go from kill to disintegrate.

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From: Jeska Linden

I'm moving this over to Off-Topic for further Pez ruminations.

Michi Lumin

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06-09-2005 14:16

It wasn't. And most of the 'security scripts' that I've run into were pushers, not tpHome. I actually wouldn't -care- nearly as much if I simply *was* teleported home.

But in this case, the only thing we can do on the Mainland is 'wait until griefers get bored', since all the ban does is elevate them.

Cristiano Midnight

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06-09-2005 14:26

From: Prokofy Neva

Oh, that's funny. You mean, it was THAT EASY and everybody wrote miles of posts here complaining it was going to be SO HARD for the Lindens to stop bounce script aggressiveness???

Sounds like the job is only half done though. They can still push really far away, and still without warning. So back to the drawing board.

Aimee, you can stop work on your button now. Turns out the Lindens just had to lift their little fingers.

And to all the other scripterati out there, I have to say I'm in absolute shock. You had me really believing it was going to be this incredibly hard thing for the Lindens to scour servers and undo codes and all the rest.

Turns out they just "deprecate" one little thingie. My God. This is a lesson indeed and you'll never get EVER believing you EVER again when you claim there's going to be "all this work for Linden programmers".

As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. The teleport home function and the push functions are totally different. It is the push functionality removal that would break all kinds of scripts. I know you like to blur the lines as much as possible to appear to be right, but for God's sake, at least know what the hell you are talking about instead of spouting off half cocked and trying to pat yourself on the back for being wrong yet again. This does nothing to prevent your avatar from being knocked all over hell, just from being sent home. What it does do is cripple private island owner's ability to get someone off of their islands.

Edit - also, the Lindens took the easy way out by doing the lazy thing, which is to break existing code by deprecating a function. There are legitimate uses for the teleport home functionality, so instead of solving the problem, they just break things. I know this makes you happy, but as a precedent, it is a bad one. Now if they try to do this with the push functionality, it would break an incredible amount of things - I doubt they would be that short sighted.

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Pendari Lorentz

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06-09-2005 14:27

Well.. At least now Prok can't claim that the Lindens have the ear of the scripti.. Because obviously in this case they listened to someone who knew less about scripting than even myself.

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Cristiano Midnight

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06-09-2005 14:29

From: Pendari Lorentz

Well.. At least now Prok can't claim that the Lindens have the ear of the scripti.. Because obviously in this case they listened to someone who knew less about scripting than even myself.

Yes, and that person was not Prokofy, since he never said a word about the teleport home functionality - just the push scripts (which they have done nothing about, and are the vast majority of security scripts).

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Carson Hadlee

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llTeleportAgentToHell

06-09-2005 14:33

Please see another good reason this should not be deprecated.

/invalid_link.html

Oz Spade

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06-09-2005 14:34

This is bullshit. Making a change without any replacement. Crippling all legit uses just because some users use it wrongly. There are fixes better than this.

Bullshit.

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Aimee Weber

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06-09-2005 14:35

From: Prokofy Neva

Aimee, you can stop work on your button now. Turns out the Lindens just had to lift their little fingers.

What everybody else said. Teleport home has nothing to do with push scripts.

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Michi Lumin

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06-09-2005 14:40

This is how effective Ban is.

Cocoanut Koala

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06-09-2005 14:41

Could they be doing this in order to implement point to point traveling in the near future?

coco

Cristiano Midnight

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06-09-2005 14:42

From: Cocoanut Koala

Could they be doing this in order to implement point to point traveling in the near future?

coco

Coco,

This has nothing to do with point to point teleporting.

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Cocoanut Koala

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06-09-2005 14:44

Well, in that case, I will say that I would rather be pushed off land than teleported home any day.

Why can't people continue to push griefers off? Because in the islands it's impossible?

coco

StoneSelf Karuna

His Grace

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06-09-2005 14:46

From: Cocoanut Koala

Why can't people continue to push griefers off?

pushing people who don't want to be pushed is a violation of tos.

pushing uses the same script call as guns, fyi.

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Reitsuki Kojima

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06-09-2005 14:46

From: Cocoanut Koala

Well, in that case, I will say that I would rather be pushed off land than teleported home any day.

Why can't people continue to push griefers off? Because in the islands it's impossible?

coco

Except THAT is what most people are rallying against Coco

They absolutely CAN keep doing that, with the eject function, or with good old fashioned pushing.

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Michi Lumin

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06-09-2005 14:47

From: Cocoanut Koala

Why can't people continue to push griefers off? Because in the islands it's impossible?

No. If you push someone off of your land, *you* will get banned from SL, for a TOS violation.

Reitsuki Kojima

Witchhunter

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06-09-2005 14:48

From: Michi Lumin

No. If you push someone off of your land, *you* will get banned from SL, for a TOS violation.

If you use Eject I think your 'safe', relativly... And eject appears to be a push for all intents and purposes.

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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.

Michi Lumin

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06-09-2005 14:51

From: Reitsuki Kojima

If you use Eject I think your 'safe', relativly... And eject appears to be a push for all intents and purposes.

No, it places them conveniently exactly on the edge of your land, effectively in an "endorsed griefing zone". If someone has 1024m2, 'eject' will do nothing but move them a few feet away, where they can continue to push/shoot/neg whatever you.

Then, they can come back and hover about one foot above your head, IF you're on the ground, for as long as they like.

Cocoanut Koala

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06-09-2005 14:52

Hmmm. Well then, this is one thing TSO did better.

coco

Cristiano Midnight

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06-09-2005 14:54

From: Michi Lumin

No. If you push someone off of your land, *you* will get banned from SL, for a TOS violation.

Truly one of the stupider ironies in the TOS enforcement.

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Moopf Murray

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06-09-2005 15:35

From: Reitsuki Kojima

This is not a bounce script, proc. This was never the function that most people were complaining about.

You honestly have no idea what your talking about.

Nobody ever said it would be difficult for the lindens to turn off a script function.

Actually this was the pretty much the main "thing" that I have seen people complain about. Having to relog after a script trying to tp you home was one of the most common comments I remember seeing when the heat has been on personal security scripts.

I find it quite amusing that many people complained and got this removed and now people want to complain because it is going to be removed.

/invalid_link.html
/invalid_link.html
/120/85/48539/1.html
/invalid_link.html
/120/af/43062/1.html

They're just from the last month and a half or so (and I've probably missed some as well). The thing is I've seen more threads about teleporting home, than pushing, in relation to security scripts which, at the end of the day, have caused the Lindens to take this action. As far as I can see the thing that people complained about most visibly was teleporting home.

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Foulcault Mechanique Father Cheesemonkey Join date: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 557	06-09-2005 14:16 From: Roberta Dalek I wonder if people will be able to fly across the grid now - or will people still be attacking non-existant griefers in their absense? Thier push scripting will just go from kill to disintegrate. _____________________ Foulcault "Keep telling yourself that and someday you just might believe it." "Every Technomage knows the 14 words that will make someone fall in love with you forever, but she only needed one. "Hello"" Galen from Babylon 5 Crusade From: Jeska Linden I'm moving this over to Off-Topic for further Pez ruminations.
Michi Lumin Sharp and Pointy Join date: 14 Oct 2003 Posts: 1,793	06-09-2005 14:16 It wasn't. And most of the 'security scripts' that I've run into were pushers, not tpHome. I actually wouldn't -care- nearly as much if I simply was teleported home. But in this case, the only thing we can do on the Mainland is 'wait until griefers get bored', since all the ban does is elevate them.
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	06-09-2005 14:26 From: Prokofy Neva Oh, that's funny. You mean, it was THAT EASY and everybody wrote miles of posts here complaining it was going to be SO HARD for the Lindens to stop bounce script aggressiveness??? Sounds like the job is only half done though. They can still push really far away, and still without warning. So back to the drawing board. Aimee, you can stop work on your button now. Turns out the Lindens just had to lift their little fingers. And to all the other scripterati out there, I have to say I'm in absolute shock. You had me really believing it was going to be this incredibly hard thing for the Lindens to scour servers and undo codes and all the rest. Turns out they just "deprecate" one little thingie. My God. This is a lesson indeed and you'll never get EVER believing you EVER again when you claim there's going to be "all this work for Linden programmers". As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. The teleport home function and the push functions are totally different. It is the push functionality removal that would break all kinds of scripts. I know you like to blur the lines as much as possible to appear to be right, but for God's sake, at least know what the hell you are talking about instead of spouting off half cocked and trying to pat yourself on the back for being wrong yet again. This does nothing to prevent your avatar from being knocked all over hell, just from being sent home. What it does do is cripple private island owner's ability to get someone off of their islands. Edit - also, the Lindens took the easy way out by doing the lazy thing, which is to break existing code by deprecating a function. There are legitimate uses for the teleport home functionality, so instead of solving the problem, they just break things. I know this makes you happy, but as a precedent, it is a bad one. Now if they try to do this with the push functionality, it would break an incredible amount of things - I doubt they would be that short sighted. _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.
Pendari Lorentz Senior Member Join date: 5 Sep 2003 Posts: 4,372	06-09-2005 14:27 Well.. At least now Prok can't claim that the Lindens have the ear of the scripti.. Because obviously in this case they listened to someone who knew less about scripting than even myself. _____________________ hugs everyone
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	06-09-2005 14:29 From: Pendari Lorentz Well.. At least now Prok can't claim that the Lindens have the ear of the scripti.. Because obviously in this case they listened to someone who knew less about scripting than even myself. Yes, and that person was not Prokofy, since he never said a word about the teleport home functionality - just the push scripts (which they have done nothing about, and are the vast majority of security scripts). _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.
Carson Hadlee They're coming to take me Join date: 18 Jun 2004 Posts: 60	llTeleportAgentToHell 06-09-2005 14:33 Please see another good reason this should not be deprecated. /invalid_link.html
Oz Spade ReadsNoPostLongerThanHand Join date: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 2,708	06-09-2005 14:34 This is bullshit. Making a change without any replacement. Crippling all legit uses just because some users use it wrongly. There are fixes better than this. Bullshit. _____________________ "Don't anticipate outcome," the man said. "Await the unfolding of events. Remain in the moment." - Konrad
Aimee Weber The one on the right Join date: 30 Jan 2004 Posts: 4,286	06-09-2005 14:35 From: Prokofy Neva Aimee, you can stop work on your button now. Turns out the Lindens just had to lift their little fingers. What everybody else said. Teleport home has nothing to do with push scripts. _____________________
Michi Lumin Sharp and Pointy Join date: 14 Oct 2003 Posts: 1,793	06-09-2005 14:40 This is how effective Ban is.
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages Join date: 7 Feb 2005 Posts: 7,903	06-09-2005 14:41 Could they be doing this in order to implement point to point traveling in the near future? coco
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	06-09-2005 14:42 From: Cocoanut Koala Could they be doing this in order to implement point to point traveling in the near future? coco Coco, This has nothing to do with point to point teleporting. _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages Join date: 7 Feb 2005 Posts: 7,903	06-09-2005 14:44 Well, in that case, I will say that I would rather be pushed off land than teleported home any day. Why can't people continue to push griefers off? Because in the islands it's impossible? coco
StoneSelf Karuna His Grace Join date: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,955	06-09-2005 14:46 From: Cocoanut Koala Why can't people continue to push griefers off? pushing people who don't want to be pushed is a violation of tos. pushing uses the same script call as guns, fyi. _____________________ AIDS IS NOT OVER. people are still getting aids. people are still living with aids. people are still dying from aids. please help me raise money for hiv/aids services and research. you can help by making a donation here: http://www.aidslifecycle.org/1409 .
Reitsuki Kojima Witchhunter Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,328	06-09-2005 14:46 From: Cocoanut Koala Well, in that case, I will say that I would rather be pushed off land than teleported home any day. Why can't people continue to push griefers off? Because in the islands it's impossible? coco Except THAT is what most people are rallying against Coco They absolutely CAN keep doing that, with the eject function, or with good old fashioned pushing. _____________________ I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Michi Lumin Sharp and Pointy Join date: 14 Oct 2003 Posts: 1,793	06-09-2005 14:47 From: Cocoanut Koala Why can't people continue to push griefers off? Because in the islands it's impossible? No. If you push someone off of your land, you will get banned from SL, for a TOS violation.
Reitsuki Kojima Witchhunter Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,328	06-09-2005 14:48 From: Michi Lumin No. If you push someone off of your land, you will get banned from SL, for a TOS violation. If you use Eject I think your 'safe', relativly... And eject appears to be a push for all intents and purposes. _____________________ I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Michi Lumin Sharp and Pointy Join date: 14 Oct 2003 Posts: 1,793	06-09-2005 14:51 From: Reitsuki Kojima If you use Eject I think your 'safe', relativly... And eject appears to be a push for all intents and purposes. No, it places them conveniently exactly on the edge of your land, effectively in an "endorsed griefing zone". If someone has 1024m2, 'eject' will do nothing but move them a few feet away, where they can continue to push/shoot/neg whatever you. Then, they can come back and hover about one foot above your head, IF you're on the ground, for as long as they like.
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages Join date: 7 Feb 2005 Posts: 7,903	06-09-2005 14:52 Hmmm. Well then, this is one thing TSO did better. coco
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	06-09-2005 14:54 From: Michi Lumin No. If you push someone off of your land, you will get banned from SL, for a TOS violation. Truly one of the stupider ironies in the TOS enforcement. _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.
Moopf Murray Moopfmerising Join date: 7 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,448	06-09-2005 15:35 From: Reitsuki Kojima This is not a bounce script, proc. This was never the function that most people were complaining about. You honestly have no idea what your talking about. Nobody ever said it would be difficult for the lindens to turn off a script function. Actually this was the pretty much the main "thing" that I have seen people complain about. Having to relog after a script trying to tp you home was one of the most common comments I remember seeing when the heat has been on personal security scripts. I find it quite amusing that many people complained and got this removed and now people want to complain because it is going to be removed. /invalid_link.html /invalid_link.html /120/85/48539/1.html /invalid_link.html /120/af/43062/1.html They're just from the last month and a half or so (and I've probably missed some as well). The thing is I've seen more threads about teleporting home, than pushing, in relation to security scripts which, at the end of the day, have caused the Lindens to take this action. As far as I can see the thing that people complained about most visibly was teleporting home. _____________________

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