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Jon Marlin

Builder, Coder, RL & SL

Join date: 10 Mar 2005

Posts: 297

06-09-2005 12:41

It appears that LL is listening...

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- Jon

Chris Wilde

Custom User Title

Join date: 21 Jul 2004

Posts: 768

06-09-2005 12:44

Now its time for push power!

Jillian Callahan

Rotary-winged Neko Girl

Join date: 24 Jun 2004

Posts: 3,766

06-09-2005 13:12

Nooooooooo!!!!! GAWD DAMN IT!!!!!

This wasn't the problem! That was one of the best tools we had for combating greifers. This is a mistake!

Removing llTeleportAgentHome solves nothing and removes a useful tool. Home security scripts will still unsit and eject pilots flying overhead, they will still use llPushObject to bat people around.

I've used llTeleportAgentHome to stop greifing attacks before. Quite a few times. With that, I didn't have to bother a liason. I just made the bozos dissapear. Problem solved. Why is that being taken away?

Because people are being irresponsible with the llSensorRepeat, actually. Because they're being too lazy to either write the script to properly use the tools in a minimal-impact kind of way, or being too lazy to configure a purchaced script to be minimal impact. Depreciate that.

Give us some damn land tools that get the job done, LL!

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eltee Statosky

Luskie

Join date: 23 Sep 2003

Posts: 1,258

06-09-2005 13:15

I had been told at one point that if it went away they would add it to the pie menu so at least land-owners could still protect their plots... but that was a long while ago...

i hope we get that at least, or something somewhat equivalent because it honestly is the only thing that *successfully* combats grief attacks on the mainland

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wash, rinse, repeat

eltee Statosky

Luskie

Join date: 23 Sep 2003

Posts: 1,258

06-09-2005 13:20

how about we get

llTeleportAgentHomeIfTheyDontLeaveIn30SecondsOfTheirOwnWillAndOohDontCrashTheirClientEither(key id);

i think that would just about solve the entire problem don't you?

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wash, rinse, repeat

Aimee Weber

The one on the right

Join date: 30 Jan 2004

Posts: 4,286

06-09-2005 13:21

From: eltee Statosky

llTeleportAgentHomeIfTheyDontLeaveIn30SecondsOfTheirOwnWillAndOohDontCrashTheirClientEither(key id);

But what would this function do?

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Jillian Callahan

Rotary-winged Neko Girl

Join date: 24 Jun 2004

Posts: 3,766

06-09-2005 13:23

From: Aimee Weber

But what would this function do?

It would nitpick the greifer passive-agressivley until said greifer went home on thier own to try and understand his or her new feelings of inadequacy.

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Cocoanut Koala

Coco's Cottages

Join date: 7 Feb 2005

Posts: 7,903

06-09-2005 13:26

Are they getting rid of this in preparation for doing point to point, maybe?

coco

Michi Lumin

Sharp and Pointy

Join date: 14 Oct 2003

Posts: 1,793

06-09-2005 13:29

From: eltee Statosky

I had been told at one point that if it went away they would add it to the pie menu so at least land-owners could still protect their plots... but that was a long while ago...

If so, I'm sure it will be for private island owners only. I have a feeling that LL has no desire to add new management tools to mainland land owners, because they want to increase the 'value' of PI's.

Michi Lumin

Sharp and Pointy

Join date: 14 Oct 2003

Posts: 1,793

06-09-2005 13:31

From: eltee Statosky

i hope we get that at least, or something somewhat equivalent because it honestly is the only thing that *successfully* combats grief attacks on the mainland

And yup, since Ban doesn't do anything but cause them to hover six feet above your head and shoot you, it'll be open season on the mainland after 1.6.7.

StoneSelf Karuna

His Grace

Join date: 13 Jun 2004

Posts: 1,955

06-09-2005 13:33

From: Michi Lumin

And yup, since Ban doesn't do anything but cause them to hover six feet above your head and shoot you, it'll be open season on the mainland after 1.6.7.

somehow i foresee lotsa land owners getting suspended for using push scripts to make griefers go away...

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Pendari Lorentz

Senior Member

Join date: 5 Sep 2003

Posts: 4,372

06-09-2005 13:43

From: Michi Lumin

<snip> because they want to increase the 'value' of PI's.

I know I'm going to be told this is a topic for another thread, but I have to ask (because I adore Michi and her opinion), what/why makes you feel this is the direction Michi?

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*hugs everyone*

Michi Lumin

Sharp and Pointy

Join date: 14 Oct 2003

Posts: 1,793

06-09-2005 13:43

From: StoneSelf Karuna

somehow i foresee lotsa land owners getting suspended for using push scripts to make griefers go away...

Probably; but we won't do it. So, I guess we can AR, and wait...

Or again this may be designed as incentive for large builds to go to private islands.

I'll probably be including in abuse reports: "Agent was pushgunning/being assaultive; banned, but was ineffective, ejected, but was ineffective, llTeleportAgentHome is gone, nothing else we could do."

David Valentino

Nicely Wicked

Join date: 1 Jan 2004

Posts: 2,941

06-09-2005 13:44

Does this mean when Dorothy clicks her ruby slippers together three times....nothing will happen??? Poor Dorothy

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David Lamoreaux

Owner - Perilous Pleasures and Extreme Erotica Gallery

Michi Lumin

Sharp and Pointy

Join date: 14 Oct 2003

Posts: 1,793

06-09-2005 13:47

From: Pendari Lorentz

I know I'm going to be told this is a topic for another thread, but I have to ask (because I adore Michi and her opinion), what/why makes you feel this is the direction Michi?

Pendari; with the sentiment towards removing the 10% group, and removing this function (which seems to assume that a ban will be effective, and PI owners already have the ability to create no-access lists) I am starting to get the feeling that the reasons are stacking for a project like Luskwood (or any other large mainland projects) to move to a private island.

Perhaps not, but the recent changes all make us point towards that direction. I don't want to have an isolated island off in the middle of nowhere. That's not why we're here. We don't want a private club. We want a place that folks can wander into, or happen by.

But either way --- this kinda does dilute the thread and I would like to keep it on theme since I am concerned that mainland land owners pretty much have no way to combat griefers besides the AR now.

Chris Wilde

Custom User Title

Join date: 21 Jul 2004

Posts: 768

06-09-2005 13:50

From: David Valentino

Does this mena when Dorothy clicks her ruby slippers together three times....nothing will happen??? Poor Dorothy

Instead of waking up at home, Dorothy will find herself in another tornado and hurling through the air.

StoneSelf Karuna

His Grace

Join date: 13 Jun 2004

Posts: 1,955

06-09-2005 13:51

From: Michi Lumin

Or again this may be designed as incentive for large builds to go to private islands.

i don't see ll removing sims from the mainland... so you think the plan is for the mainland to be for small land holders?

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Kevn Klein

God is Love!

Join date: 5 Nov 2004

Posts: 3,422

06-09-2005 13:53

Sending them home is no fun, shoot them.. when they come back shoot them again.. that's the fun way. If we can just get a "justified shooting" rule passed griefers would have no where to hide

Travis Lambert

White dog, red collar

Join date: 3 Jun 2004

Posts: 2,819

06-09-2005 13:56

Reitsuki Kojima

Witchhunter

Join date: 27 Jan 2004

Posts: 5,328

06-09-2005 13:57

Dumb.

Once again, LL misses the point entirely.

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Schwanson Schlegel

SL's Tokin' Villain

Join date: 15 Nov 2003

Posts: 2,721

06-09-2005 14:01

This just nerfed the security system we were setting up for Cabinhead.

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StoneSelf Karuna

His Grace

Join date: 13 Jun 2004

Posts: 1,955

06-09-2005 14:02

From: Reitsuki Kojima

Dumb.

Once again, LL misses the point entirely.

ditto

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Prokofy Neva

Virtualtor

Join date: 28 Sep 2004

Posts: 3,698

06-09-2005 14:10

From: someone

1.6.7 - Deprecating llteleportagenthome()

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I don't have the full release notes ready for 1.6.7 nor the final release date, however there is one important change I want to give you all advancing warning.

In 1.6.7 we will be deprecating the LSL function llteleportagenthome. After 1.6.7's release, this function will no longer do anything.

Chris Linden

Oh, that's funny. You mean, it was THAT EASY and everybody wrote miles of posts here complaining it was going to be SO HARD for the Lindens to stop bounce script aggressiveness???

Sounds like the job is only half done though. They can still push really far away, and still without warning. So back to the drawing board.

Aimee, you can stop work on your button now. Turns out the Lindens just had to lift their little fingers.

And to all the other scripterati out there, I have to say I'm in absolute shock. You had me really believing it was going to be this incredibly hard thing for the Lindens to scour servers and undo codes and all the rest.

Turns out they just "deprecate" one little thingie. My God. This is a lesson indeed and you'll never get EVER believing you EVER again when you claim there's going to be "all this work for Linden programmers".

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Reitsuki Kojima

Witchhunter

Join date: 27 Jan 2004

Posts: 5,328

06-09-2005 14:12

From: Prokofy Neva

Oh, that's funny. You mean, it was THAT EASY and everybody wrote miles of posts here complaining it was going to be SO HARD for the Lindens to stop bounce script aggressiveness???

This is not a bounce script, proc. This was never the function that most people were complaining about.

You honestly have no idea what your talking about.

Nobody ever said it would be difficult for the lindens to turn off a script function.

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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.

Roberta Dalek

Probably trouble

Join date: 21 Oct 2004

Posts: 1,174

06-09-2005 14:12

I wonder if people will be able to fly across the grid now - or will people still be attacking non-existant griefers in their absense?

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Teleport Agent Home No More
Jon Marlin Builder, Coder, RL & SL Join date: 10 Mar 2005 Posts: 297	06-09-2005 12:41 It appears that LL is listening... /3/fd/49676/1.html - Jon
Chris Wilde Custom User Title Join date: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 768	06-09-2005 12:44 Now its time for push power!
Jillian Callahan Rotary-winged Neko Girl Join date: 24 Jun 2004 Posts: 3,766	06-09-2005 13:12 Nooooooooo!!!!! GAWD DAMN IT!!!!! This wasn't the problem! That was one of the best tools we had for combating greifers. This is a mistake! Removing llTeleportAgentHome solves nothing and removes a useful tool. Home security scripts will still unsit and eject pilots flying overhead, they will still use llPushObject to bat people around. I've used llTeleportAgentHome to stop greifing attacks before. Quite a few times. With that, I didn't have to bother a liason. I just made the bozos dissapear. Problem solved. Why is that being taken away? Because people are being irresponsible with the llSensorRepeat, actually. Because they're being too lazy to either write the script to properly use the tools in a minimal-impact kind of way, or being too lazy to configure a purchaced script to be minimal impact. Depreciate that. Give us some damn land tools that get the job done, LL! _____________________
eltee Statosky Luskie Join date: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 1,258	06-09-2005 13:15 I had been told at one point that if it went away they would add it to the pie menu so at least land-owners could still protect their plots... but that was a long while ago... i hope we get that at least, or something somewhat equivalent because it honestly is the only thing that successfully combats grief attacks on the mainland _____________________ wash, rinse, repeat
eltee Statosky Luskie Join date: 23 Sep 2003 Posts: 1,258	06-09-2005 13:20 how about we get llTeleportAgentHomeIfTheyDontLeaveIn30SecondsOfTheirOwnWillAndOohDontCrashTheirClientEither(key id); i think that would just about solve the entire problem don't you? _____________________ wash, rinse, repeat
Aimee Weber The one on the right Join date: 30 Jan 2004 Posts: 4,286	06-09-2005 13:21 From: eltee Statosky llTeleportAgentHomeIfTheyDontLeaveIn30SecondsOfTheirOwnWillAndOohDontCrashTheirClientEither(key id); But what would this function do? _____________________
Jillian Callahan Rotary-winged Neko Girl Join date: 24 Jun 2004 Posts: 3,766	06-09-2005 13:23 From: Aimee Weber But what would this function do? It would nitpick the greifer passive-agressivley until said greifer went home on thier own to try and understand his or her new feelings of inadequacy. _____________________
Cocoanut Koala Coco's Cottages Join date: 7 Feb 2005 Posts: 7,903	06-09-2005 13:26 Are they getting rid of this in preparation for doing point to point, maybe? coco
Michi Lumin Sharp and Pointy Join date: 14 Oct 2003 Posts: 1,793	06-09-2005 13:29 From: eltee Statosky I had been told at one point that if it went away they would add it to the pie menu so at least land-owners could still protect their plots... but that was a long while ago... If so, I'm sure it will be for private island owners only. I have a feeling that LL has no desire to add new management tools to mainland land owners, because they want to increase the 'value' of PI's.
Michi Lumin Sharp and Pointy Join date: 14 Oct 2003 Posts: 1,793	06-09-2005 13:31 From: eltee Statosky i hope we get that at least, or something somewhat equivalent because it honestly is the only thing that successfully combats grief attacks on the mainland And yup, since Ban doesn't do anything but cause them to hover six feet above your head and shoot you, it'll be open season on the mainland after 1.6.7.
StoneSelf Karuna His Grace Join date: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,955	06-09-2005 13:33 From: Michi Lumin And yup, since Ban doesn't do anything but cause them to hover six feet above your head and shoot you, it'll be open season on the mainland after 1.6.7. somehow i foresee lotsa land owners getting suspended for using push scripts to make griefers go away... _____________________ AIDS IS NOT OVER. people are still getting aids. people are still living with aids. people are still dying from aids. please help me raise money for hiv/aids services and research. you can help by making a donation here: http://www.aidslifecycle.org/1409 .
Pendari Lorentz Senior Member Join date: 5 Sep 2003 Posts: 4,372	06-09-2005 13:43 From: Michi Lumin <snip> because they want to increase the 'value' of PI's. I know I'm going to be told this is a topic for another thread, but I have to ask (because I adore Michi and her opinion), what/why makes you feel this is the direction Michi? _____________________ hugs everyone
Michi Lumin Sharp and Pointy Join date: 14 Oct 2003 Posts: 1,793	06-09-2005 13:43 From: StoneSelf Karuna somehow i foresee lotsa land owners getting suspended for using push scripts to make griefers go away... Probably; but we won't do it. So, I guess we can AR, and wait... Or again this may be designed as incentive for large builds to go to private islands. I'll probably be including in abuse reports: "Agent was pushgunning/being assaultive; banned, but was ineffective, ejected, but was ineffective, llTeleportAgentHome is gone, nothing else we could do."
David Valentino Nicely Wicked Join date: 1 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,941	06-09-2005 13:44 Does this mean when Dorothy clicks her ruby slippers together three times....nothing will happen??? Poor Dorothy _____________________ David Lamoreaux Owner - Perilous Pleasures and Extreme Erotica Gallery
Michi Lumin Sharp and Pointy Join date: 14 Oct 2003 Posts: 1,793	06-09-2005 13:47 From: Pendari Lorentz I know I'm going to be told this is a topic for another thread, but I have to ask (because I adore Michi and her opinion), what/why makes you feel this is the direction Michi? Pendari; with the sentiment towards removing the 10% group, and removing this function (which seems to assume that a ban will be effective, and PI owners already have the ability to create no-access lists) I am starting to get the feeling that the reasons are stacking for a project like Luskwood (or any other large mainland projects) to move to a private island. Perhaps not, but the recent changes all make us point towards that direction. I don't want to have an isolated island off in the middle of nowhere. That's not why we're here. We don't want a private club. We want a place that folks can wander into, or happen by. But either way --- this kinda does dilute the thread and I would like to keep it on theme since I am concerned that mainland land owners pretty much have no way to combat griefers besides the AR now.
Chris Wilde Custom User Title Join date: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 768	06-09-2005 13:50 From: David Valentino Does this mena when Dorothy clicks her ruby slippers together three times....nothing will happen??? Poor Dorothy Instead of waking up at home, Dorothy will find herself in another tornado and hurling through the air.
StoneSelf Karuna His Grace Join date: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,955	06-09-2005 13:51 From: Michi Lumin Or again this may be designed as incentive for large builds to go to private islands. i don't see ll removing sims from the mainland... so you think the plan is for the mainland to be for small land holders? _____________________ AIDS IS NOT OVER. people are still getting aids. people are still living with aids. people are still dying from aids. please help me raise money for hiv/aids services and research. you can help by making a donation here: http://www.aidslifecycle.org/1409 .
Kevn Klein God is Love! Join date: 5 Nov 2004 Posts: 3,422	06-09-2005 13:53 Sending them home is no fun, shoot them.. when they come back shoot them again.. that's the fun way. If we can just get a "justified shooting" rule passed griefers would have no where to hide
Travis Lambert White dog, red collar Join date: 3 Jun 2004 Posts: 2,819	06-09-2005 13:56
Reitsuki Kojima Witchhunter Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,328	06-09-2005 13:57 Dumb. Once again, LL misses the point entirely. _____________________ I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Schwanson Schlegel SL's Tokin' Villain Join date: 15 Nov 2003 Posts: 2,721	06-09-2005 14:01 This just nerfed the security system we were setting up for Cabinhead. _____________________
StoneSelf Karuna His Grace Join date: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 1,955	06-09-2005 14:02 From: Reitsuki Kojima Dumb. Once again, LL misses the point entirely. ditto _____________________ AIDS IS NOT OVER. people are still getting aids. people are still living with aids. people are still dying from aids. please help me raise money for hiv/aids services and research. you can help by making a donation here: http://www.aidslifecycle.org/1409 .
Prokofy Neva Virtualtor Join date: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 3,698	06-09-2005 14:10 From: someone 1.6.7 - Deprecating llteleportagenthome() -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't have the full release notes ready for 1.6.7 nor the final release date, however there is one important change I want to give you all advancing warning. In 1.6.7 we will be deprecating the LSL function llteleportagenthome. After 1.6.7's release, this function will no longer do anything. Chris Linden Oh, that's funny. You mean, it was THAT EASY and everybody wrote miles of posts here complaining it was going to be SO HARD for the Lindens to stop bounce script aggressiveness??? Sounds like the job is only half done though. They can still push really far away, and still without warning. So back to the drawing board. Aimee, you can stop work on your button now. Turns out the Lindens just had to lift their little fingers. And to all the other scripterati out there, I have to say I'm in absolute shock. You had me really believing it was going to be this incredibly hard thing for the Lindens to scour servers and undo codes and all the rest. Turns out they just "deprecate" one little thingie. My God. This is a lesson indeed and you'll never get EVER believing you EVER again when you claim there's going to be "all this work for Linden programmers". _____________________ Rent stalls and walls for $25-$50/week 25-50 prims from Ravenglass Rentals, the mall alternative.
Reitsuki Kojima Witchhunter Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,328	06-09-2005 14:12 From: Prokofy Neva Oh, that's funny. You mean, it was THAT EASY and everybody wrote miles of posts here complaining it was going to be SO HARD for the Lindens to stop bounce script aggressiveness??? This is not a bounce script, proc. This was never the function that most people were complaining about. You honestly have no idea what your talking about. Nobody ever said it would be difficult for the lindens to turn off a script function. _____________________ I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Roberta Dalek Probably trouble Join date: 21 Oct 2004 Posts: 1,174	06-09-2005 14:12 I wonder if people will be able to fly across the grid now - or will people still be attacking non-existant griefers in their absense? _____________________ See my stuff on SL Boutique!

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