RE: Inquiry on IRC.

You want that video in it's full 200mb goodness, or is it okay to compress and resize it down with Quicktime first?

You do nothing but complain. You never present any USEFUL data nor do you make any viable suggestions. You apparently have had a horrible experience here, and somehow you think that this justifies insulting others and belittling their input.

Let's be blunt: LL doesn't hold meetings in SL, because that would be fucking retarded. It has nothing to do with "eating their dog food" as you so quaintly put it, and everything to do with TIME AND RESOURCE MANAGEMENT. Tom Linden doesn't need a fully graphical world to tell Dick Linden to look into Widget 423 in Physics Subroutine 19. Fuck, he could probably stand up and shout it across the floor and Dick would get the message. The point is that you don't need a convoluted world to convey this information. To use such a world is a ridiculous waste of time and resources.

And you do?

Eloquently said. I agree.

For the record: search the thread, I never used the word meeting in any of my posts. Lordfly Digeridoo was the first one to to that, not me. I see we've already reached the "make up stuff with Ardith" part of the thread, let's see...

I also molest puppies and hold Satanic rituals in my pants. I've been known to dress up as Michael Jackson and peruse through Disney Stores looking for "new toys." I'm also currently sexually involved with my left hand -- so don't tell my right. Will those lies keep you quiet so we can continue this discussion uninterrupted, Ardith?

This ceased to be a discussion a while ago.

Wow. That's it? Remind me to show you my desktop sometime.

SL, Painter IX, GIMP, Fruity Loops, Windows Sound Recorder, Python, a bunch of Firefox links and folders, Ultraedit 32, and occasionally Blender or Anim8or. That's my typical day.

Right. What was the topic again? SL isn't used by LL to do work? Ahh...

I'm going to bite my tongue before I say something I'll regret.

vote for feature propostion #195

IN the end, the answer seems pretty obvious:

SL is not a viable platform for complex collaboration. Even LindenLabs doesn't think so and that's why they don't use it.

A simple answer I think we all agree on.

Of course, if LL took the development time to fix the chat portion, people would be yelling up and down at them to stop wasting time adding new features when there are still bugs and stability issues to fix...

- Jon

Whatever cute little Roxy can handle, shnookums. I have broadband.

LF

SL is marketed as a fun place to create content, not as a business communication tool, so to me dogfooding it would mean LL creating lots of content in SL. Which they don't do, and no offense, but I do believe things would change more quickly in the content creation arena if they did.

The Lindens do use SL as a business communication tool when they "talk" to their customers through town halls, and it seems inefficient to me.

Yeah, I know the dogfooding comment got removed from the thread title.

It's an answer to a question that was never asked, though, Blaze. Before you started this topic, everyone already knew that. It's so self-evident that it didn't even need discussing.

So whats the point here?

I still don't see your point. So even though they're well aware of the issues, they should continue to use SL for "productive" use? Why? It's called beating a dead horse. They know it's laggy, they're trying to fix it. And they have. Telling them they have to use SL for everything is just bum-fuck stupid. Did id Software use as their primary methods of communication "Quake" for 6 months? No. I bet they used IRC.

Please, try to keep up with the adults.




If your "collaborative software" idea doesn't bring anything new to the table, then why the fuck are you re-inventing the wheel?

People use SL because it has the reasonable facsimilies of a virtual world where you can "do anything". Not because it's ideal for #!!!HotWAREZSEXHERENOBOTSPLZKTHX!!



Sure it does! That's why I love making houses for people, hanging out with folks across the world, use it as a creative sink, put 25 bucks a month towards it, and a host of other things. Yesh, my user experience is the SHITHOLIEST SHITHOLE THAT EVER SHIT A HOLE.

If anything, my user experience is degraded by trolls like yourself, junior. You seem to play only to see if you can knock the lindens down a few pegs either in-world or on the forums. Knock yourself out, but it's gotta be wearing thin awfully quick.



So maybe they, I dunno, USE IT FOR TESTING? Thus negating the entire fucking point of this thread?



Oh, snap. I've been served.

LF

Good lord what did I miss?

Well I have no problem running SL and I tunes with a host of baground tsrs. I have run Sl in background while playing counterstrike. Of course I have 2 gigs of Ram and 256megs of video ram. But I don't see SL as resource intensive

As far as why LL uses IRC. The answer is obvious they use it to keep in touch with their FIC cronoes so that they can manipulate SL. If they did this on the grid the plot might be discovered. Well unless the did it in Boardman, where Aimee has her secret FIC underground base. ;P

I got a bit distracted posting screenshots, but that's pretty much was I was trying to say. It's not a question of resource drain, it's software suckage. Well said, blaze!

Uh... the lindens DO use SL... they have at least two sims, LiaisonLand and Devel, and they have had them since forever. Also, SL isn't dog food if your ping is less than 10ms

SL is not enterprise-level groupware. SL is an online community that allows members to interact and cooperate. It is not a platform for coordinating professional projects that are not based in-world. You keep demanding that they use SL for collaborative code development, as if they've claimed that SL is a good environment for it. They haven't made such claims because it's not.

Thanks. I don't think it was on the list when I voted before...but then I accumulated more votes since then. So I just voted for this TWICE!

What is with all the negativity all the time, Jarod? Your posts are so condescending and hostile that even when you make a valid point, it's just totally lost. Combine that with the usual blame Philip rhetoric from Khamon and the hot button pushing of Blaze and it just all reads like a giant fuck you to Linden Lab, and to anyone who doesn't think that SL sucks. Does the software have problems? Yes. Is there anything even close to being in its league? Absolutely not.

I imagine Linden Lab, like any business, uses the appropriate tool for whatever they are doing. If I want to talk to a friend in SL who also happens to be on Yahoo but I don't really need to go into SL, I am not going to fire up SL and log in just to do so - I use the tool best suited for what I am doing. SL is not a chat client. I know that will be followed by a litany of the software sucks, it's a toy, it can't handle complex collaboration, to which I reply, then by all means show me the software you have created that does all of this perfectly. It's easy to play armchair quarterback/critic - either put up or shut up.

PS - Blaze, where is your lamenting of hostility and personal attacks? Do you only do that when the poster isn't agreeing with you?

I thought I explained this a few months ago. Didn't I? Oh well.

I want Philip "Linden" Rosedale to tell me, directly that I'm over estimating the value of Second Life. It's an unhealthy, rage-induced symptom of what I believe is a kind of obsessive compulsive disorder. The "negativity" is the dying form of earlier optimism when discussing the potential of Second Life, I use it in my attempts to either (a) goad the developers into turning Second Life into something I've dreamt of for so long or (b) get Philip Rosedale to say something like, "Jarod, look, Second Life is a toy; you're delusional to think it will ever be a real platform."

Though, I really stopped trying to make sense about six months ago, and now I just use my life account to haunt the forums, skirting the edges of beinmg banned, in the hopes that my negativity will warn away even one starry-eyed hacker, sending them into realms better suited for developing, and away from this proprietary sinkhole.

Does that answer your question?

one sec.

*waves his magic "instantly create software wand"*

Done. You may now log onto SL 2.0

Oh, wait a second...

*waves the wand again*

You can now play it for Linux

Oh, crap! While I'm at it!

*waves the wand again*

Instantly Linux is as accessable to casual computer users as Windows, and is instantly downloaded to every PC

*continues his wand waving spree*

A new ultra-efficient GPU is made and suddenly all video cards now have 1000000 times as much power.

*goes insane with his instant-coding power*

Suddenly we are all in The Matrix, a detailed reality so real that we cannot tell we are actually in a simulation

Oh, wait, there is no such thing as a wand that makes complex, powerful, lengthy code appear out of nowhere.

</remove_tongue_from_cheek>

My 450 Pentium III with some 700 megs of RAM was... ablet to render a frame a second when under 5 people... maybe 3 to 5 if there was nothing being rendered by SL... this was usually halved by the time I reached my normal environment...

That's fact, I don't fault LL for this, I don't fault anyone for this, it was my being broke that caused me to have to use a 6 year old computer. I joked about it, I enjoyed SL then, and I enjoy SL now.

(I get 5 FPS with my current setup under simular conditions)

Jarod, I'm sure though, that SL's million monkeys (note this is sarcasm here) would be happy to type out your pipe dream. If you think you can do better, well...
http://lindenlab.com/job_SW_Engineer.html
proove it through actions, not words... words don't mean much.

Well, then, it's sure a good thing you asked!

Well, then, it's sure a good thing you asked!

By the way, who the hell is this Jarod guy?

Hi Jarod. Glad to see you're still here. Every case study needs a Jarod.

Hugs.